BSE Digest v195 #164

From: kerry@freeside.fc.net (Kerry Harrison)

Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 00:00:00 +0000

BSE Digest                   Monday, 1 May 1995         Volume 195 : Number 164

Welcome to the BSE Digest,  the place to dicuss all the myriad aspects of
life Beyond the Stellar Empire with other denizens of the Greater Periphery.

In this issue:

+       BSE: IMP Threats
+       BSE: Re: Response to "Bill"
+       Re: BSE: FOE Statement
+       BSE: New Rules...Problem
+       BSE: Re: People vs Fatboy
+       Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released
+       Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rule...
+       Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rule...
+       Re: BSE: Rules
+       Re: BSE: New Rules
+       Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released
+       Re: BSE: New Rules
+       Re: BSE: Hammerfest
+       Re: BSE: poker
+       BSE: Outposts to defend colonies
+       BSE: Outposts to defend colonies -Reply
+       Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released

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From: Michael.Keane@maf.nasa.gov
Date: 01 May 95 07:56:15 -0600
Subject: BSE: IMP Threats

>For years we IMP refused to build a base in Northcape due to the great benefit
>to all races, of the Celtian Farm tech, so that even those who were our
>enemies could benefit (although there is no word in the demon language for
>this, this is called "humanitarian"... we did not wish to see any living
>creature suffer from lack of food).  Your actions have changed this.  After we
>retake the colony and return it to the Celtian race, We will build a military
>base on Hammerfest so that the Celtians will never have to fear enslavement
>again.
>
>Graf von Monts
>

V.Adm Graf von Monts,

So be it.  Those troops wishing to stay and defend their friends at Undersea
Base will be allowed to remain.  The other troops will be dispersed in small
groups into the mountains to await retrieval by FOE transports.  Your control of
North Cape is undisputed.  Fight well and die bravely.

V'Ril T'Bak, Ruler FOE Target

(OOC Sorry for the double post, I misunderstood an error message and thought the
first one had failed to transmit properly.   Mike)

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From: Michael.Keane@maf.nasa.gov
Date: 01 May 95 08:19:23 -0600
Subject: BSE: Re: Response to "Bill"

On Sun, 30 Apr 1995 Bill Hendrick wrote:

>> Excuse me???
>>
>> Perhaps we should start holding the QSN responsible for the actions of SoLs?
>> (Whenever they actually do something.<chuckle>) How does that sound!?
>
>If you go back and read what I said you will see that you are
>misunderstanding me. What I said was "It is too bad the FGZ can't be
>responsible for their ships <<<before>>> they fall into the wrong hands..."
>What I was trying to get at is there must be something fishy going on in
>the FGZ for this IND BS to appear.  FGZ forbiddens the trade or sale of
>of BSs.  I quote a FGZ law from their profile "No Flagritz technology or
>ships may be sold, traded, or transferred to any person or race other
>than a Flagritz."  At this time I would like to point out that HUMANS
>were in control of the ship.  If the ship were captured I would expect
>the Den of Earth to know about it as they take ownership so seriously and
>BSs don't appear out of the vacuum of space.  It is YOU Den of
>Earth who seems feel responsible by offering to help hunt them down.
>Or is it you want to make sure it is destroyed and not captured?
>The main point I was trying to make is that you claim that you take BS
>ownership seriously, but you didn't even notice one missing!!!!!  Maybe
>we should start looking at IND colonies to see if they are actually
>misplaced FGZ colonies.  Seriously though, I think the top FGZ brass
>should do an inventory of their ships to see what they reallllllllllly
>have.  I would be interested to know the results.  (I never will
>though.)  The results may worry a few FGZ members.
>
>>
>> Yeah, why don't you attack BSs...I'm sure any IND BS would love to blow away
>> a couple of little, puney, stinken SoLs. After everything I've seen, all they
>> are good for is cannon fodder!
>>
>> J.
>>
>My suggestion to you Den of Earth is that if you think SoLs are so
>inferior, don't buy any.
>
>
>
>							Ensign Ut
>

Ensign Ut,

It would be impossible for Den of Earth to know about the Headhunter.  The
shipyards, hulls, and weapons were all built at a colony that was acquired after
he was removed as Ataman and before he was granted governorship of Neverwhere.
The records were destroyed when I sold my soul to Foebeus (Praise be his mighty
name!!) and left the FGZ with my *personal* assets including the Dark Glory.
The Dark Glory was traded to an IND group and they renamed it Headhunter.  The
colony the ship was built at a colonly that has a history of selling FGZ tech.
Ask the IMP's where they 'bought' all those Photon Guns they have.  At least
attempt to find knowledge about a topic before trying to use it to slander even
an opponent as unworthy as the FGZ.

V'Ril T'Bak, Ruler FOE Target

(OOC  S. Mathews and Jack, please do NOT respond to this.  I know you have
worked out your differences about Flagritzville and I don't want to start it up.
I'm just pointing out old data [and the rational I used to keep the ships when I
went IND] to a player who doesn't seem to know all the details.  Later.   Mike)

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From: Jackmyster@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 09:23:54 -0400
Subject: Re: BSE: FOE Statement

Bill:

So much for trying to do things IC...Okay, how about this.

Ben St. Cyr called me last night, and told me to put that up there!

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From: Jackmyster@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 09:23:56 -0400
Subject: BSE: New Rules...Problem

Thad:

I've got one problem with the New Rules. You state that y'all are going to
rewrite the space combat rules, so "we" have an incomplete "picture" as to
what we want to plan for.

(ie. Ship Specialzation)

Let's say that the FGZ decide to "Specialize" in Gun Boat...and after the new
rules come out, we decide that it would be better to specialize in Missle
Boat...

Can y'all give us a "preview" of what to look for?

Not a "bitch"...just pointing out the obvious.

Bests-
J.

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From: "JASON GOFF" <JGOF4P1@S1.csc.peachnet.edu>
Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 09:47:26 EST
Subject: BSE: Re: People vs Fatboy

Large numbers of SSL security personnel simultaenuosly (OOC: Damn
this spellchecker sucks) took their vacations early this year.  One
person, when asked to comment on this unusual behaviour had this to
say:
    "We're all headed out to Allipon to grab the reward Don Guido
offer--Um, er, I mean, I hear the weather's nice out there!

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From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com>
Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 09:01:49 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released

On Mon, 1 May 1995, Chip Charnley wrote:

> While an electronic message would probably work, in most states and under
> federal law, it is not yet legally binding (or so I am told).
>
> As I said before, I think RTG's INTENTION is clear. Unfortunately, in the
> case of CIS, the directives are also clear. For the rest, like you, you must
> make your own decisions. I only pointed it out so that you could make an
> informed decision.

Chip,

Also, didn't the upload prompts get changed to give the forums a bit more
protection in regards to such things?  Something about an AGREE y/n prompt?

Kerry

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From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com>
Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 09:08:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rule...

On Mon, 1 May 1995 RTGThad@aol.com wrote:

> I will be happy to provide whatever sort of authorization is required. If
> this is acceptable format, you have the permission of Rolling Thunder Games
> to disseminate the electronic version of the rules for Beyond the Stellar
> Empire at no charge to any who request it.

I think y'all just need to remove the words "in writing" from the
copyright birdseed.

Kerry

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From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com>
Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 09:09:55 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rule...

On Mon, 1 May 1995 RTGThad@aol.com wrote:

> You are correct, they do have 300 long and short factors. The combat tables
> were a bit of an afterthought, since the new combat system will utilise
> entirely different ratings. In any case, we have found the first of probably
> many minor annoyances of this type.

Yep, I've found several minor annoyances like this and a few major ones -
I'll write them and post'em later.

Kerry

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From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com>
Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 09:23:40 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: BSE: Rules

On Mon, 1 May 1995, Alan Hatcher wrote:

>     Somebody please put up an Ascii version of the new rules!  I ftp'd the
> rules from io.com and neither WP or AMI Pro has been able to convert them.

I've uploaded a copy of the new rules in Word for Windows 2.0 format (the
filename is bseww2.zip) to my ftp site - those of you with word
processors that can't import Word for Windows 6.0 should be able to
import the 2.0 format (I think most wp programs can handle this).

Kerry

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From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com>
Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 09:25:23 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: BSE: New Rules

On Mon, 1 May 1995, Chip Charnley wrote:

> Richard,
>      Since Adobe was nice enough to provide me with a copy of Acrobat free
> of charge, I intend to convert a copy of the rules to Acrobat format and
> post them on CIS as soon as the copyright situation is cleared up. The
> Acrobat viewers for both Windows and MAC are available on CIS for free. I
> think they are in LIB 1 of PBMGAMes but I will confirm that or post a note
> where the viewers are located if not there.

Chip,

There's also a DOS version of the Acrobat viewer available directly from
Adobe on CompuServe (GO ACROBAT).  Also all of the Acrobat viewers are
available on net via anonymous ftp from ftp.adobe.com.

Kerry

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From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun)
Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 10:37:11 EDT
Subject: Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released

Chip,

Are you not recognizing email as "written"?  Thad pretty clearly indicated
that he wanted Kerry to make the rules available in the net.

Be seeing you,

Brad Braun
btb4@lehigh.edu
///////////////////*********************************************\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
  But you don't seem to understand.  I fully expect to reign in Heaven.  After
  all, is it not better to be a live lion?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun)
Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 10:47:23 EDT
Subject: Re: BSE: New Rules

Chip,

Are you ULing in Acrobat ONLY? <gag>

Be seeing you,

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From: rboggs@isisph.com (Russ Boggs)
Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 07:56:08 -0800
Subject: Re: BSE: Hammerfest

><transmission originating from aboard the ISP flagship, ISP Prinz Luitpoldt>
>
>To all sentient beings:
>
>As the demons, in their desperation to break the blockade have resorted to
>bringing in an IND ship (which lost it's battle), Effective Next Week, all IND
> positions will be added to the enemy list of IMP positions.

V.Adm. Graf von Monts:

Are you referring only to the Northcape system or to the entire Periphery?

It's unfortunate in either case as a colleague's ship with restricted jump
capability (ie, one jump engine) needs to pass through Northcape.
Obviously, I will advise him to avoid Hammerfest.

- --MacBeth
(Russ Boggs)

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From: NoaKrieger@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 10:54:07 -0400
Subject: Re: BSE: poker

My Dear Don Guido,

I must admit that I may not have your experience at poker, but I did try to
warn you, the odds against filling an inside straight are astronomical!  Your
style of play is ....interesting.

Concerning your yacht, I'm sure we can work something out.  I find yachts a
bit too confining. The smallest ship I will use is a survey cruiser.  I will
be happy to give you your ship back...for a small handling fee, say, one half
the cost of a new yacht??

Regards,

Noa

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From: NoaKrieger@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 10:54:31 -0400
Subject: BSE: Outposts to defend colonies

[OOC]

Question to the group:  If a ground party is assigned to defend a outpost,
will the attempt to reprogram the outpost constitute a attack and trigger the
gp's defend orders?  Or do I have to put basically everyone on my attack list
for the gp to engage the interloper?

Thanks in advance for the assistance.

Jim G.

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From: PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 11:22:00 -0400
Subject: BSE: Outposts to defend colonies -Reply

Hi Jim,

Under the current, as well as the proposed,
systems, you will indeed need to put everyone on
your enemy list.  However, if you want to allow certain
affiliations and/or positions access to that outpost,
you can place them on your support or defend lists
(the two will cancel wach other out).  Under the current
system, putting everyone on your enemy list is a
pain, as well as impossible (since you can only have
12 entries on any list).  Under the new system, i
noticed they have a "Target Everyone" (special code
9999, I think).

Phil K.

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From: "Scragg" <scragg@infi.net>
Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 08:10:15 +0000
Subject: Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released

>While an electronic message would probably work, in most states and under
>federal law, it is not yet legally binding (or so I am told).

>As I said before, I think RTG's INTENTION is clear. Unfortunately, in the
>case of CIS, the directives are also clear. For the rest, like you, you must
>make your own decisions. I only pointed it out so that you could make an
>informed decision.

>Chip

Copy right laws are FEDERAL laws. State laws do not apply. Electronic
authorization is acceptable.

Joe

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