BSE Digest v195 #163 From: kerry@freeside.fc.net (Kerry Harrison) Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 00:00:00 +0000 BSE Digest Monday, 1 May 1995 Volume 195 : Number 163 Welcome to the BSE Digest, the place to dicuss all the myriad aspects of life Beyond the Stellar Empire with other denizens of the Greater Periphery. In this issue: + BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released + BSE: Illegal Items + Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released + Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released + Re: BSE: Responce to "Bill" + BSE: FOE Statement + Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released + Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released + Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rule... + Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rule... + BSE: new address + BSE: New Rules + BSE: People vs. Fat-boy + Re: BSE: Re: BSE Poker -Reply + BSE: Rules + Re: BSE: FOE Statement + Re: BSE: Responce to "Bill" + Re: BSE: New Rules + Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the bse-list or bse-digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: RTGThad@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Apr 1995 21:55:55 -0400 Subject: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released Hi all: Version 5.0 of the rules has been uploaded to CIS, AOL and our BBS. It is zipped with PKZIP and is in MS Word for Windows 6.0 format. I can't get it to the Internet site, I am dependent on Kerry to post it there when he has time. This version is about as complete as we can make it, I think. Further revisions will be done on an errata sheet/addendum basis. Notices will go on turn sheets starting this week <week 18>. The rules take effect June 1, 1995. Well, I'll leave you top go get em and look em over! Thad & Pete RTG ------------------------------ From: PEllisCaz@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Apr 1995 22:08:00 -0400 Subject: BSE: Illegal Items To IMP, WCE, and Members of the TCA: What items are considered illegal in each of your systems? Kaz AFT Trading Post ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 1995 21:24:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released On Sun, 30 Apr 1995 RTGThad@aol.com wrote: > Version 5.0 of the rules has been uploaded to CIS, AOL and our BBS. It is > zipped with PKZIP and is in MS Word for Windows 6.0 format. I can't get it to > the Internet site, I am dependent on Kerry to post it there when he has time. These are now available from my ftp, the URL is: ftp://ftp.io.com/pub/usr/kerry/BSE/Rules/bserules.zip If anyone needs them converted to another format let me know (I'll be uploading a PDF version of them later tonight or tomorrow). Kerry ------------------------------ From: ccharnle@m-net148.arbornet.org (Chip Charnley) Date: Sun, 30 Apr 95 22:41 WET DST Subject: Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released >On Sun, 30 Apr 1995 RTGThad@aol.com wrote: > >> Version 5.0 of the rules has been uploaded to CIS, AOL and our BBS. It is >> zipped with PKZIP and is in MS Word for Windows 6.0 format. I can't get it to >> the Internet site, I am dependent on Kerry to post it there when he has time. > >These are now available from my ftp, the URL is: > >ftp://ftp.io.com/pub/usr/kerry/BSE/Rules/bserules.zip > >If anyone needs them converted to another format let me know (I'll be >uploading a PDF version of them later tonight or tomorrow). > >Kerry > > > Kerry, Read the copyright notice carefully. According to it, you cannot legally put the rules on your FTP site without WRITTEN authorization from RTG. While I don't think that RTG would prosecute, I do think that they should change the copyright as I can not merge the CIS copy until they either do that or send me a written letter authorizing it to be placed in the CIS LIBs. I have left Thad a note to this effect on CIS and tried to call them but no one was answering (not even the answering machine). Chip Charnley ------------------------------ From: Cojran Michael <cojran@ucsub.Colorado.EDU> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 1995 20:54:34 -0600 (MDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Responce to "Bill" The IND baseship in Hammerfest was actually disabled by two lonely SoL's, and thats it! SoL's in the right hands can handle poorly controlled BS's. I for one would vote that the FGZ are not responsible for all BS's that have been created. The FOE ruler V'ril had a couple of ship producing FGZ colonies before he turned FOE, this could explain the presence of the IND baseship at Hammerfest. Zed Thunder AFT Sgt. at Arms ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Apr 1995 23:48:02 -0400 Subject: BSE: FOE Statement The following commincation was intercepted by a FGZ Scout in Rapsody... Ens. Probie "Foelian government now recongizes the QSN annexization of the following systems: Quoda, Barque and Drell. FOE forces will now fight along QSN forces in the defense of QSN systems... Foelain forces may now engage in future QSN conquests that are already in progress...." FOE High Priest Balethazar ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 1995 23:08:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released On Sun, 30 Apr 1995, Chip Charnley wrote: > Read the copyright notice carefully. According to it, you cannot > legally put the rules on your FTP site without WRITTEN authorization from > RTG. While I don't think that RTG would prosecute, I do think that they > should change the copyright as I can not merge the CIS copy until they > either do that or send me a written letter authorizing it to be placed in > the CIS LIBs. Chip, Hmm, last time it came up an electronic message granting permission from the author was acceptable in lieu of something actually scribbled on a piece of paper. Kerry ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 1995 23:12:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released On Sun, 30 Apr 1995 RTGThad@aol.com wrote: > This version is about as complete as we can make it, I think. Further > revisions will be done on an errata sheet/addendum basis. Notices will go on > turn sheets starting this week <week 18>. The rules take effect June 1, 1995. Thad, Question, don't Pulsar Tanks have 300 CFs for both short and LONG range? The Combat Values table in Appendix J indicates that they have only short range CFs. Kerry ------------------------------ From: RTGThad@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 00:18:53 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rule... I will be happy to provide whatever sort of authorization is required. If this is acceptable format, you have the permission of Rolling Thunder Games to disseminate the electronic version of the rules for Beyond the Stellar Empire at no charge to any who request it. Thad Catone Rolling Thunder Games ------------------------------ From: RTGThad@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 00:21:09 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rule... You are correct, they do have 300 long and short factors. The combat tables were a bit of an afterthought, since the new combat system will utilise entirely different ratings. In any case, we have found the first of probably many minor annoyances of this type. Thad ------------------------------ From: Doug Wampler <wamp@indynet.indy.net> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 1995 23:39:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: BSE: new address All - My new mailing address is: wamp@indy.net Doug Wampler SMS PD If you send me a message that you actually want read, put something REAL interesting in the "subject" field. ------------------------------ From: "Richard A. Loutzenheiser" <76311.2317@compuserve.com> Date: 01 May 95 00:47:15 EDT Subject: BSE: New Rules Just downloaded the new rules off of the Thunder BBS (can't use compuserve yet, Chip says there is a copyright problem.) I unzipped them and then found that I can't use them. It seems that they are in Word for Windows format. Are there plans to upload them somewhere in an Ascii, Wordperfect, or non-windows format? If not how soon can we get hard copies. Not trying to whine, but I just want to know. Richard A. Loutzenheiser, SAM ------------------------------ From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com Date: Mon, 01 May 1995 00:50:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: BSE: People vs. Fat-boy United Press Intergalactic - News Update IND Allipon, Limond System, 195-17 The entire galaxy looks on expectantly as the ISP prison ship Night Stalker has now entered the Limond system, and is slowing drawing nearer to Allipon. Already crowds are gathering in the starport of Allipon awaiting the most wanted criminals in the history of the Periphery, the Trans-hole, the TCA, and even the Draconian sector: Fat-boy and Jack Everitt. It has been observed that Alliponian security forces have increased dramatically to control the crowds and prevent any acts of violence before, during or after the upcoming trial. Battle Moon class warships have been reported to be launching to intercept and escort the prison ship into Allipon. Ships of numerous races and affiliations continue to arrive for the upcoming trial. Famed defense attorney, Otto Bongwater, has been seen spending long hours in legal consultation at the local Dunkin Donuts with Alliponian lawyers, for the finer points of Alliponian law. It is reported that sales of eggs and tomatoes are at an all time high at the Alliponian markets, and that some merchants are sold out and back-ordered for 2 months to come. Local fertalizer manufacturers report a rash of thefts of raw animal dung, which local authorities suspect may be related to the impending arrivals. IMP officials when asked about the ISP officers escorting the prisoners, if the ISP would defend the prisoners from the vengence of the multitudes, responded that ISP Jurisdiction ended when the prison ship crossed the border, and that once the ship docked, Alliponian security officers would assume responsibility for the safety of the prisoners. Joe Bob Briggs UPI News ------------------------------ From: RFN2@aol.com Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 02:13:54 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Re: BSE Poker -Reply Horst, Fear not, I'll keep your piece busy, entertained, and she'll leave at the end of the evening with a smile on her face. BlackJack ------------------------------ From: Alan Hatcher <ZU02380@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU> Date: Mon, 01 May 95 01:32:16 CDT Subject: BSE: Rules Somebody please put up an Ascii version of the new rules! I ftp'd the rules from io.com and neither WP or AMI Pro has been able to convert them. Alan ------------------------------ From: "Hendrick,Bill;=9462771" <BHENDRICK@kean.ucs.mun.ca> Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 08:28:52 +0200 (IST) Subject: Re: BSE: FOE Statement On Sun, 30 Apr 1995 Jackmyster@aol.com wrote: > The following commincation was intercepted by a FGZ Scout in Rapsody... > > Ens. Probie > > "Foelian government now recongizes the QSN annexization of the following > systems: Quoda, Barque and Drell. > > FOE forces will now fight along QSN forces in the defense of QSN systems... > > Foelain forces may now engage in future QSN conquests that are already in > progress...." > > FOE High Priest Balethazar > Nice try Den of Earth but no one with 2 brain cells is going to believe it. Ensign Ut ------------------------------ From: "Hendrick,Bill;=9462771" <BHENDRICK@kean.ucs.mun.ca> Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 08:42:55 +0200 (IST) Subject: Re: BSE: Responce to "Bill" On Sun, 30 Apr 1995, Cojran Michael wrote: > > The IND baseship in Hammerfest was actually disabled by two lonely SoL's, > and thats it! SoL's in the right hands can handle poorly controlled > BS's. I for one would vote that the FGZ are not responsible for all BS's > that have been created. The FOE ruler V'ril had a couple of ship > producing FGZ colonies before he turned FOE, this could explain the > presence of the IND baseship at Hammerfest. > > Zed Thunder > AFT Sgt. at Arms > > What I think instead of offering to help hunt down any more IND BSs they should go to the source and hunt down V'ril. I also agree that the FGZ should not be held accountable. I just found it amusing when they started shoving this 'we take BS ownership seriously' crap. Oh by the way Zed Thunder and the rest or the AFT defence forces, nice work over Hammerfest. Ensign Ut ------------------------------ From: ccharnle@m-net148.arbornet.org (Chip Charnley) Date: Mon, 1 May 95 07:37 WET DST Subject: Re: BSE: New Rules Richard, Since Adobe was nice enough to provide me with a copy of Acrobat free of charge, I intend to convert a copy of the rules to Acrobat format and post them on CIS as soon as the copyright situation is cleared up. The Acrobat viewers for both Windows and MAC are available on CIS for free. I think they are in LIB 1 of PBMGAMes but I will confirm that or post a note where the viewers are located if not there. Chip >Just downloaded the new rules off of the Thunder BBS (can't use compuserve yet, >Chip says there is a copyright problem.) I unzipped them and then found that I >can't use them. It seems that they are in Word for Windows format. Are there >plans to upload them somewhere in an Ascii, Wordperfect, or non-windows format? >If not how soon can we get hard copies. > >Not trying to whine, but I just want to know. > >Richard A. Loutzenheiser, SAM > > > ------------------------------ From: ccharnle@m-net148.arbornet.org (Chip Charnley) Date: Mon, 1 May 95 07:37 WET DST Subject: Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released >On Sun, 30 Apr 1995, Chip Charnley wrote: > >> Read the copyright notice carefully. According to it, you cannot >> legally put the rules on your FTP site without WRITTEN authorization from >> RTG. While I don't think that RTG would prosecute, I do think that they >> should change the copyright as I can not merge the CIS copy until they >> either do that or send me a written letter authorizing it to be placed in >> the CIS LIBs. > >Chip, > >Hmm, last time it came up an electronic message granting permission from >the author was acceptable in lieu of something actually scribbled on a >piece of paper. > >Kerry > > While an electronic message would probably work, in most states and under federal law, it is not yet legally binding (or so I am told). As I said before, I think RTG's INTENTION is clear. Unfortunately, in the case of CIS, the directives are also clear. For the rest, like you, you must make your own decisions. I only pointed it out so that you could make an informed decision. Chip ------------------------------ End of BSE Digest V195 #163 *************************** To subscribe to bse-digest, send the command: subscribe bse-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@io.com". To unsubscribe from the bse-digest send the command: unsubscribe bse-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@io.com". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-bse-list": subscribe bse-digest local-bse-list@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "bse-digest" in the commands above with "bse-list". Up