BSE Digest v195 #166

From: kerry@freeside.fc.net (Kerry Harrison)

Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 00:00:00 +0000

BSE Digest                  Tuesday, 2 May 1995        Volume 195 : Number 166

Welcome to the BSE Digest,  the place to dicuss all the myriad aspects of
life Beyond the Stellar Empire with other denizens of the Greater Periphery.

In this issue:

+       Re: BSE: Questions about the ...
+       Re: BSE: Baghdad
+       Re: BSE:New Rules
+       Re: BSE: FOE Statement
+       Re: BSE: Questions about the ...
+       Re: BSE: Hammerfest
+       Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released
+       BSE:New Rules
+       Re: BSE: Questions about the ...
+       Re: BSE: FOE Statement
+       BSE: Questions...
+       Re: BSE: Questions...
+       Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released
+       Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released -Reply
+       Re: BSE: Questions about the ...
+       Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released
+       Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released
+       Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released
+       BSE: Text version of the rules now available
+       BSE: Promotions
+       BSE: BSE Rules (fwd)
+       Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released -Reply
+       Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released
+       BSE: Text version of the rules now available -Reply
+       Re: BSE: FOE Statement
+       Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released

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From: PEllisCaz@aol.com
Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 23:10:22 -0400
Subject: Re: BSE: Questions about the ...

Thad and All:

I just want to know if some of the items used in the new research points are
acually in the game.  For example Other Intoxicants, Alein Plant & Life.  If
not how are these problems going to be addressed

Paul Ellis

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From: v176@rex.uokhsc.edu (Todd D. Clapp)
Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 22:18:17 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: BSE: Baghdad

There are four mines at the site and they are included in the deal.  This
outpost is what is left of a RIP colony following an ICN operation.  I am
interested in selling this outpost because it is out of the normal routes
that my vessels frequent.  I am most interested in trading this outpost
for another M/NM deposit in thTesni system, but I am willing to
consider other offers.  In the 6 months I have had this outpost, no one
has made any attempt to take it from me.  It has been unguarded during
that whole period.

Josh

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From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com>
Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 22:26:16 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: BSE:New Rules

On 1 May 1995, Richard A. Loutzenheiser wrote:

> Does anybody have the tech to make entertainment modules? How about to condense
> metals, fissionables or fossil fuels?  Can the condensed minerals be used or do
> they have to be uncondensed?  The rules seem less than clear here.

Entertainment Modules are an SSL tech.  As for various condensed ores
that doesn't require any special tech - any colony can condense or
uncondense the ores provided they have the required materials onhand.
Right now you'd have to uncondense them to use them - maybe some new
items might require the ores in a condensed format.

Kerry

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From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 21:07:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: BSE: FOE Statement

On Sun, 30 Apr 1995 Jackmyster@aol.com wrote:

> The following commincation was intercepted by a FGZ Scout in Rapsody...
>
> Ens. Probie
>
> "Foelian government now recongizes the QSN annexization of the following
> systems: Quoda, Barque and Drell.
>
> FOE forces will now fight along QSN forces in the defense of QSN systems...
>
> Foelain forces may now engage in future QSN conquests that are already in
> progress...."
>
> FOE High Priest Balethazar
>

More lies from the FGZ intelligence.  The QSN hereby deny the entire
statement above with the following caveats.  The QSN do claim ownership
of the Drell System and are in discussions with appropiate parties to
finalize any conflicting claims.  Any allies are welcome to help defend
Drell from invasion if need be, but the Second Fleet is now ready to
defend the motherland to the death.

Lord Anton Qutroh
Minister of Propaganda

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From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 00:56:08 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: BSE: Questions about the ...

> I am pretty sure that CyMind Disrupters go in command. OK with me on limiting
> them to Command ships.

Thad,
Cyber disrupters go in the MAIN section.  check my ship ISP Black Dawn
(4909) to see this.

I have a question concerning "Transport" specialization.  The rules say ground
combat items, so a ship specialized as a transport now can't carry enough
Korondite to cloak with for landing on a hostile world (korondite costing 2
mu's of cargo, instead of 1).  For purposes of Assault Landings, will
korondite be
considered as a "ground combat" item?

Steve

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From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 00:56:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: BSE: Hammerfest

> Are you referring only to the Northcape system or to the entire Periphery?
>
> It's unfortunate in either case as a colleague's ship with restricted jump
> capability (ie, one jump engine) needs to pass through Northcape.
> Obviously, I will advise him to avoid Hammerfest.

Only to the planet Hammerfest and the war zone of 3 space squares
outward from the planetary space square.  Advise your collegue that
there are roving ISP patrol squadrons and ISP ambush squadrons
deployed throughout the system.  If he encounters one, he will be
attacked.  He should make his trip through as direct and as quick as
possible.  He should avoid in-system transit, as this increases the
chance of encountering an ambush or running into a roving patrol.

Graf von Monts

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From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com
Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 00:56:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released

> Kerry,
>
> What screwed up version of PKWare was used to ZIP the file?  I have about 6
> versions of PKUNZIP available - none recognize this file.

Brad,

Pardon me for jumping in,  It unzipped just fine with PKUnzip 2.04G (most
current version).

Steve

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From: "Richard A. Loutzenheiser" <76311.2317@compuserve.com>
Date: 02 May 95 01:28:21 EDT
Subject: BSE:New Rules

Wasn't going to nitpick, but since it seems that eveyone is pointing out the
typos I know of a few more.

1.  I hope Zebecs don't have 66 command hulls.

2.  Stellars aren't on the chart in Appendix B, but Chapter 10 on Colony
adjustments lists them a a morale affecting item.

3.  Can as ship prospect from orbit?  Page 13 clearly says that at GP must be in
the square in order to accomplish this and it takes 30 tu's.  Appendix L says 50
tu's and says a ship can do it.  Which is it?

Dick

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From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com>
Date: Mon, 1 May 1995 22:23:39 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: BSE: Questions about the ...

On Mon, 1 May 1995 PEllisCaz@aol.com wrote:

> I just want to know if some of the items used in the new research points are
> acually in the game.  For example Other Intoxicants, Alein Plant & Life.  If
> not how are these problems going to be addressed

Yes, Alien Plantlife & Alien Aliens are readily available from any world
with a decent amount of animal and planet life on it - you can harvest
the stuff via special complexes.  As for Other Intoxicants its just a
catchall for various drugs/intoxicants you can find on various worlds
(again harvested via special complexes) also I imagine the FET, SSL, and
ZCS could most likely sale you some.

Kerry

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From: Jackmyster@aol.com
Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 08:14:39 -0400
Subject: Re: BSE: FOE Statement

Lord Anton Qutroh:

How dare you accuse the Ataman of lies!

It is you, you urine colored pig that lies, on a regular basis! I have shown
you and your Quoomans to be nothing BUT liars!

You need to start checking with your leadership before you start making a
fool out of yourself! (again)

That "FOE Statement" was not only sent by the FOE...it was recieved by your
Leader! (Ben called Tom Jackson and told him he was going to have that put up
there....Jackson said "okay"!)

Your not worthy of my contempt!

I demand an apology! You have insulted my Honor for the last time!

Lord Den of Earth, FGZ Ataman

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From: PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 09:01:27 -0400
Subject: BSE: Questions...

Thad,

1.  Will colony class still affect morale?

2.  Will "minuses" still be incurred by ensigns
commanding too large of a ship?

3.  Is there a way to "convert" a standard colony to a
research colony?  I don't mean initially, here.  I mean
in general.

4.  Is there any limit on the class of a project that a
"standard" colony can work on?

Phil K.

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From: Jackmyster@aol.com
Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 09:37:16 -0400
Subject: Re: BSE: Questions...

Following PK questions:

Will a class 12 colony be able to have 12 batteries, and if so, will this
increase the SAM's abilities to have a 12 batteries as well?

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From: "Hendrick,Bill;=9462771" <BHENDRICK@kean.ucs.mun.ca>
Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 11:14:01 +0200 (IST)
Subject: Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released

On Tue, 2 May 1995 LUDENDORF@delphi.com wrote:

> > Kerry,
> >
> > What screwed up version of PKWare was used to ZIP the file?  I have about 6
> > versions of PKUNZIP available - none recognize this file.
>
> Brad,
>
> Pardon me for jumping in,  It unzipped just fine with PKUnzip 2.04G (most
> current version).
>
>
> Steve
>

Steve

Pardon me for also jumping in.  I tried PKUnzip 2.04G and it didn't
work.  Is there something else I am supposed to be doing and I am not?

Bill

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From: PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 10:20:49 -0400
Subject: Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released -Reply

I, too, used 2.04G, with absolutely no problems
whatsoever.  Where did you get your copy of the
zipped file?  If it was from the RTG BBS, which
download protocol did you use?  I got my zipped file
from IO.COM.

Phil K.

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From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun)
Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 10:42:04 EDT
Subject: Re: BSE: Questions about the ...

Thad,

About promotions:  The 4 month minimum seems arbitrary.  If the areas in the
game represent a colonial reach, there should be a merit system.  Your minimum
takes the merit system (to a large degree) out of the hands of coordinators.
How about a 6 month minimum with automatic subtractions for certain actions.
In other words, winning space battle might give you 12 months "credit" right
there.  Finding a unique artifact might do something similar.  Lots of common
acts would be less rewarding (but cumulative):  finding a deposit, assisting
in a blockade, whatever.

In fact, why do them based on time at all?  Use an action credit system.

Be seeing you,

(knowing that this is pretty much WAY too late, but can't keep my damn trap
shut)

Brad Braun
btb4@lehigh.edu
///////////////////*********************************************\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
  But you don't seem to understand.  I fully expect to reign in Heaven.  After
  all, is it not better to be a live lion?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com>
Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 09:48:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released

On Tue, 2 May 1995, Hendrick,Bill;=9462771 wrote:

> Pardon me for also jumping in.  I tried PKUnzip 2.04G and it didn't
> work.  Is there something else I am supposed to be doing and I am not?

Bill,

Which one of the files are you having the problem with bserules.zip or
bseww2.zip?

Kerry

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From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun)
Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 10:48:25 EDT
Subject: Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released

Steve,

Have it.  In fact, I self-extracted 2.04g AGAIN to make sure I was working
with a "fresh" version, when my current one didn't work.  Hmm...these sorts of
problems are unusual for me....

Be seeing you,

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From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com>
Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 09:50:39 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released

On Tue, 2 May 1995, B T Braun wrote:

> Have it.  In fact, I self-extracted 2.04g AGAIN to make sure I was working
> with a "fresh" version, when my current one didn't work.  Hmm...these sorts of
> problems are unusual for me....

Brad,

Which version of the rules are trying to unzip the bserules.zip or
bseww2.zip?

Kerry

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From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com>
Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 09:57:52 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: BSE: Text version of the rules now available

An ASCII text version of the rules are now available as:

URL=ftp://ftp.io.com/pub/usr/kerry/BSE/Rules/bserules.txt

any complaints about the formating should be directed to Phil Krauskopf.

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From: PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 11:06:50 -0400
Subject: BSE: Promotions

I agree with Brad about these promotions,
especially with regards to space battles.  Perhaps in
the battle program you could automatically add some
number of weeks of experience each time a ships
enters a battle.  If the ship does not flee during the
battle, perhaps additional weeks could be added.  And
perhaps even more weeks coudl be added for each
hit, dereliction, or destruction caused by the ship in
battle.

I have to disagree with implementing this for
non-battle actions.  In reality, it seems to me that
promotions are usually hastened only when someone
puts him/herself at direct risk of loss.

I woudl also like to see something done with the
rank structure of GPs.  Of course, we woudl need
some way to "save" these guys in between GP
assignments.

phil K.

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From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com>
Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 10:07:45 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: BSE: BSE Rules (fwd)

Any of you Mac users want this?

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: 02 May 95 09:58:58 -0600
From:Michael.Keane@maf.nasa.gov
To: Return requested <kerry@io.com>
Subject: BSE Rules

Kerry,

I have the rules converted to Word 5.0 for the MacIntosh.  The formatting
doesn't convert, but I fixed it by hand.  If anyone wants it, I can E-mail or
ftp it to you to upload.  Later.

Mike K.

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From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun)
Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 11:14:07 EDT
Subject: Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released -Reply

Phil,

I got it by ftping to Kerry's site.

Be seeing you,

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From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun)
Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 11:13:11 EDT
Subject: Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released

Kerry,

bserules.zip

Be seeing you,

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From: PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 11:22:48 -0400
Subject: BSE: Text version of the rules now available -Reply

Don't waste your breath directing any complaints at
me <g>.  All I did was save it from Word.  Over all, it
didn't do too terribly badly.  Many of the tables came
out half-way reasonable, although the ones at the back
didn't do so well.  Any complaints shoudl be directed
to MicroSoft Corporation.

Phil K.

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From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 09:10:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: BSE: FOE Statement

On Tue, 2 May 1995 Jackmyster@aol.com wrote:

> Lord Anton Qutroh:
>
> You need to start checking with your leadership before you start making a
> fool out of yourself! (again)
> That "FOE Statement" was not only sent by the FOE...it was recieved by your
> Leader! (Ben called Tom Jackson and told him he was going to have that put up
> there....Jackson said "okay"!)
>
> Lord Den of Earth, FGZ Ataman
>

Den of Earth:

I did not realize that the mighty Den of Earth travels on a lowy FGZ
Scout in the Rapsody system.  If it wasn't you on board ship, then please
keep your people straight in the future.

As for the announcement, we do not control the Foelians.  They may make
whatever statement they would like.  The QSN  has not annexed any
systems.  That is official policy in name and in fact.  Our Maalox has
learned not to contridict the FOE High Priest in respect for his might
and Devastators.  But all official QSN policy will be announced by us and
not by some surrogate.  As for your statement, has the Den of Earth heard
of misinformation?

Lord Anton Qutroh
Minister of Propaganda

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From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com>
Date: Tue, 2 May 1995 11:38:22 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: BSE: BSE version 5.0 rules released

On Tue, 2 May 1995, B T Braun wrote:

> bserules.zip

Hmm, I just checked and it unzipped okay - try ftping it again (remember
to change to binary mode first).

Kerry

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