ATLANTISv2 atl-players-digest #54 From: csd@microplex.com (Christian Daudt) Date: Sun, 07 May 1995 00:00:00 +0000 This file was automatically generated by csd@microplex.com If you notice anything unusual, please e-tell me. You better not kill Faction 9 or this service may be discontinued.:-) Contributions in Silver will be gladly accepted. ---------------------------------------------------------- From: janeik@oslonett.no (Jan Eikeland) Subject: Re: Atlantis plainsmen,Nomads and Darkmen Date: Fri, 05 May 1995 17:59:02 -0100 Martin Heisler <heisler@karlin.mff.cuni.cz> wrote: > Well, I guess that > Plainsmen are people from plains and therefore they are in fact > normal human. Those you see every day in streets. Yes,but where did they live,what did they do ? > Nomads were and are Arabian people who move a lot. So did some indians and africans. > of life. Maybe you can call them Arabian barbarians. I think I would have reserved the barbarians for the Germans. > Darkmen are black people, such as aboriginals from > Africa and Australia. Oki,but what was their connections to Europe year 1000-1300 a.c. ? In Atlantis there are Vikings,Barbarians (Germans),Escimoes. That leads me to think we're somewhere in Europe. > Tribesmen (although you haven't mentioned them, they > belong to this group) are also humans, probably more > savage then plainsmen, but less then barbarians. Agree int this. > Good example could be Gypsys and Indians, as well > as old Celts and Germans. Germans moved along,yes,but they are reffered to as the Barbarians in historybooks. > Geoff, how far am I from your oficial opinion? -ICELENDER- ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 20:26:04 +0300 (EET DST) From: Markus Stenberg <fingon@kasvis.cs.hut.fi> Subject: Re: This weeks Times. > Well, I sent it to everyone, I think. ftp it this time, and hopefully > they'll come through from now one. Odd ; mine copy didn't find way to me either, but I just read it from netnews.. :-) (anyways, I think the times-mailing means just pointless spamming of the net - 500+ players, 120kb times-file -> 60 megs of mail most people just browse thru) --- Only in the silence voice, only in the darkness light, only in dying life; The hawk's bright flight on the empty sky. -- Ursula Le Guin / (the) Earthsea Quartet ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 14:32:37 -0500 From: mosherj@minerva.cis.yale.edu (Joshua Mosher) Subject: Re: Atlantis plainsmen,Nomads and Darkmen At 5:59 PM 5/5/95, Jan Eikeland wrote: >Martin Heisler <heisler@karlin.mff.cuni.cz> wrote: >> Darkmen are black people, such as aboriginals from >> Africa and Australia. The only Darkmen I've seen are in the underworld. Therefore I think they would be "men who live in the dark." >Oki,but what was their connections to Europe year 1000-1300 a.c. ? >In Atlantis there are Vikings,Barbarians (Germans),Escimoes. >That leads me to think we're somewhere in Europe. > Eskimos definitely are not limited to Europe, and one would find very few nomads in Medieval Europe. This is a fantasy world that covers a range of climes, hence the range of peoples. >> Tribesmen (although you haven't mentioned them, they >> belong to this group) are also humans, probably more >> savage then plainsmen, but less then barbarians. >Agree int this. >> Good example could be Gypsys and Indians, as well >> as old Celts and Germans. I don't think this analogy works. The tribesmen seem to be found in the jungles, and thus would be more accurately termed aborigines or something like that, rather than "more savage than plainsmen, but less than barbarians." But allow me to bow to the official position. Geoff? Josh Mosher ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 5 May 95 12:32:27 PDT From: "GDUNBAR.US.ORACLE.COM" <GDUNBAR@us.oracle.com> Subject: Re: Atlantis plainsmen,Nomads and Darkmen --Boundary-10075300-0-0 OK here's the official position: My idea of Atlantis is that it is pretty much a blank slate going in. When the game starts, there is no history, there are no politics, there are no gods. I could write up a "history of Atlantis", invent a pantheon, and all that. However, that is a bit restrictive for the players (and heck, I'd probably write a much more boring history than someone like Lord Vox^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HHogli the Gatemaster). I would prefer for you, the players, to flesh out the world. So, what I'm saying about the races, is that if you write an interesting article in the Times, describing your encounter with skinny, pasty white men with bulbous eyes, who call themselves darkmen, and if other players pick up on the idea, then that's probably what they are. Geoff --Boundary-10075300-0-0 X-Orcl-Content-Type: message/rfc822 Received: 05 May 1995 11:56:14 Sent: 05 May 1995 11:41:12 From:"Joshua Mosher" <owner-atl-players@tango.rahul.net> To: atl-players@tango.rahul.net Subject: Re: Atlantis plainsmen,Nomads and Darkmen Reply-to: owner-atl-players@tango.rahul.net X-Orcl-Application: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Orcl-Application: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 5:59 PM 5/5/95, Jan Eikeland wrote: >Martin Heisler <heisler@karlin.mff.cuni.cz> wrote: >> Darkmen are black people, such as aboriginals from >> Africa and Australia. The only Darkmen I've seen are in the underworld. Therefore I think they would be "men who live in the dark." >Oki,but what was their connections to Europe year 1000-1300 a.c. ? >In Atlantis there are Vikings,Barbarians (Germans),Escimoes. >That leads me to think we're somewhere in Europe. > Eskimos definitely are not limited to Europe, and one would find very few nomads in Medieval Europe. This is a fantasy world that covers a range of climes, hence the range of peoples. >> Tribesmen (although you haven't mentioned them, they >> belong to this group) are also humans, probably more >> savage then plainsmen, but less then barbarians. >Agree int this. >> Good example could be Gypsys and Indians, as well >> as old Celts and Germans. I don't think this analogy works. The tribesmen seem to be found in the jungles, and thus would be more accurately termed aborigines or something like that, rather than "more savage than plainsmen, but less than barbarians." But allow me to bow to the official position. Geoff? Josh Mosher --Boundary-10075300-0-0-- ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Adam Waters" <swater@glob.chautauqua.com> Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 18:38:35 -0700 Subject: Re: Atlantis,please don't get more unliving creatures in the game. On May 5, 6:07pm, Jan Eikeland wrote: > Subject: Atlantis,please don't get more unliving creatures in the game. > Please,let the magicians take care of the unbelivable. > Don't make game unrealistic by adding fantacy-figures.(alves is more than > enough). > Instead,read historybooks and form people and creatures from history. > > Thanks for a fine game. > > -ICELENDER- >-- End of excerpt from Jan Eikeland I think you're in the wrong game bub. -- Adam Waters swater@glob.chautauqua.com (415) 329-9619 ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 6 May 1995 13:53:34 +1000 From: tanya_rb@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Tanya Brennan) Subject: please remove me from list please remove me from list *=- end of text =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=* | _/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ | | _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ | | _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ | | _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/ _/ _/ _/ | | _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ | | e-mail: tanya_rb@postoffice.utas.edu.au (Tanya) | *=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-* ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Bean <ATLANTIS@bluebean.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 10:24:48 +0000 Subject: Re: Atlantis 2.0 - Draft of Press release to Monzon Register > Please Review and reply with comments: > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Press Release for the MONZON REGISTER: Good, send it locally only. Means if we want to start in other regions later we have more chance of being first. > April 15, Year 2 > > East Monzon Shipping Ltd., the tentative name for a joint venture of four > factions purposing to explore life on the high seas, has identified Monzon > as prime choice for building a shipyard. Construction of ships will be > more or less continuous over the next few years. Don't say 'tentative', let's be positive. Remember lots of countries don't use 'Ltd.' for companies, so won't understand what it means. Do you think we should be so upfront about our plans? We don't want others having the same idea until we are well established. I thing we should not actually mention shipping. Just say 'East Monzon Traders' or something. > We believe that our presence will have a positive effect on the greater > Monzon economy in the following ways: > > 1. Our fish production will produce an additional niche for factions > willing to transport fish from Monzon to towns were they are wanted (i.e. > Arlon) Good point, stress the trading benefits. > 2. We will provide a dependable market for wood, destined for the > production of ships. Don't say anything about ships, just wood. > 3. We will provide an additional route for the transport of wood to > wood-poor regions, and iron to iron-poor regions. > > 4. Our market for transporting newbie factions to less populated regions > (colonies) will ensure a steady flow of cash rich units through Monzon. > After becoming equipped, however, these units will be transported away from > Monzon. Yep, they'll like that. > 5. As the number of ships we own increases, we will be able to monitor > and/or guard sea hexes surrounding the Monzon coast area, providing warning > of any sea based attack. Don't say this. Maybe we'll need to turn to piracy ourselves if times get hard. When we're established we can point out how helpful we have been, and can be. > With these points in mind, we must resolve the following issues: > > 1. What factions are willing to supply us with 20 units of wood per > month, > and what price should we start negotiating at. Would be good to get a set of regular suppliers. Good idea. > 2. What factions are interested in teaching combat or selling combat > trained > troops. > > 3. What future demand for iron and stone is projected. Are the land > routes to the Kashmar area stable enough to warrant our exploration for > other iron-rich areas. > > > Signed, > East Monzon Shipping > > ATLANTIS@bluebean.demon.co.uk 591 > henry@onramp.net ? > janeik@oslonett.no ? > jbaclask@adnetsol.com 548 There are 2 other alliance members also. Hopefully Jan will mail you details. Don't assume yet that Henry, Jan or others are happy to join. In summary I think all this is useful but for the time being we should just ask for suppliers of wood for a construction project, and leave it at that. Once we've got a couple of ships under construction we can go public about what we're up to. ---- Bean. Email atlantis@bluebean.demon.co.uk ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Bean <ATLANTIS@bluebean.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 10:24:48 +0000 Subject: Re: Atlantis 2.0 - Draft of Press release to Monzon Register > Please Review and reply with comments: > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Press Release for the MONZON REGISTER: Good, send it locally only. Means if we want to start in other regions later we have more chance of being first. > April 15, Year 2 > > East Monzon Shipping Ltd., the tentative name for a joint venture of four > factions purposing to explore life on the high seas, has identified Monzon > as prime choice for building a shipyard. Construction of ships will be > more or less continuous over the next few years. Don't say 'tentative', let's be positive. Remember lots of countries don't use 'Ltd.' for companies, so won't understand what it means. Do you think we should be so upfront about our plans? We don't want others having the same idea until we are well established. I thing we should not actually mention shipping. Just say 'East Monzon Traders' or something. > We believe that our presence will have a positive effect on the greater > Monzon economy in the following ways: > > 1. Our fish production will produce an additional niche for factions > willing to transport fish from Monzon to towns were they are wanted (i.e. > Arlon) Good point, stress the trading benefits. > 2. We will provide a dependable market for wood, destined for the > production of ships. Don't say anything about ships, just wood. > 3. We will provide an additional route for the transport of wood to > wood-poor regions, and iron to iron-poor regions. > > 4. Our market for transporting newbie factions to less populated regions > (colonies) will ensure a steady flow of cash rich units through Monzon. > After becoming equipped, however, these units will be transported away from > Monzon. Yep, they'll like that. > 5. As the number of ships we own increases, we will be able to monitor > and/or guard sea hexes surrounding the Monzon coast area, providing warning > of any sea based attack. Don't say this. Maybe we'll need to turn to piracy ourselves if times get hard. When we're established we can point out how helpful we have been, and can be. > With these points in mind, we must resolve the following issues: > > 1. What factions are willing to supply us with 20 units of wood per > month, > and what price should we start negotiating at. Would be good to get a set of regular suppliers. Good idea. > 2. What factions are interested in teaching combat or selling combat > trained > troops. > > 3. What future demand for iron and stone is projected. Are the land > routes to the Kashmar area stable enough to warrant our exploration for > other iron-rich areas. > > > Signed, > East Monzon Shipping > > ATLANTIS@bluebean.demon.co.uk 591 > henry@onramp.net ? > janeik@oslonett.no ? > jbaclask@adnetsol.com 548 There are 2 other alliance members also. Hopefully Jan will mail you details. Don't assume yet that Henry, Jan or others are happy to join. In summary I think all this is useful but for the time being we should just ask for suppliers of wood for a construction project, and leave it at that. Once we've got a couple of ships under construction we can go public about what we're up to. ---- Bean. Email atlantis@bluebean.demon.co.uk ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Mark Keen <mark@keen.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 13:50:51 +0000 Subject: Re: Atlantis 2.0 - Draft of Press release to Monzon Registe Hi to MONZON REGISTER! > > Please Review and reply with comments: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Press Release for the MONZON REGISTER: > Good, send it locally only. Means if we want to start in other > regions later we have more chance of being first. Yes, let's not let everyone know about it. That would be very bad. > Do you think we should be so upfront about our plans? We don't want > others having the same idea until we are well established. > > I thing we should not actually mention shipping. Just say 'East > Monzon Traders' or something. Agreed. Our main strength is the fact that absolutely NO-ONE else know's what we're planning - and I'd like to stress that point. > > 2. We will provide a dependable market for wood, destined for the > > production of ships. > Don't say anything about ships, just wood. For Christ's sake don't mention the ships! What are you trying to do? Let everyone into our plan? > > 5. As the number of ships we own increases, we will be able to monitor > > and/or guard sea hexes surrounding the Monzon coast area, providing warning > > of any sea based attack. > Don't say this. Maybe we'll need to turn to piracy ourselves if times > get hard. This is war talk, but I like it! > In summary I think all this is useful but for the time being we > should just ask for suppliers of wood for a construction project, and > leave it at that. As we've all agreed 10 times already - don't mention ships!!! > Once we've got a couple of ships under construction we can go public > about what we're up to. Brillient plan. The crucial thing is timing, I mean, when are we actually going to go public? If we do it too early, the results could be disasterous! Looking forward to your comments with interest :) Joe Public The Whole Atlantis Alliance - Faction no's (1-500) e-mail atl-players@tango.rahul.net ---------------------------------------------------------- From: Bean <ATLANTIS@bluebean.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 17:02:12 +0000 Subject: A goof up. RE: the following message posted to Atlantis message. > > Please Review and reply with comments: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > Press Release for the MONZON REGISTER: > Good, send it locally .... This was CC'd in error by myself to the Atlantis mailing list. It is part of a personal conversation and does not represent the views or opinions of any of the parties concerned other than myself. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 11:45:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Siegel <ae485@freenet.toronto.on.ca> Subject: Re: Atlantis 2.0 - Draft of Press release to Monzon Register As a new player ot atlantis i need some help I just dl the chekcer, when i decromess it It comea out a Checker_tar How do i get the chekcer in to an exe type of file and then how do i use it. Im using an ms-dos machine ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "ROB PETERS" <RPeters@Defender.Defenders.org> Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 15:30:30 EST Subject: \ I have info on turn checkers & sample beginning orders & a digest of all the email on varied topics during the past few months. I will mail this to you if you want in return for 35$ paid in Atlantis. I'll send it on review -- you pay only if you think I've saved you $35 worth of worry. > Received: from SpoolDir by DEFENDER (Mercury 1.20); 7 May 95 12:53:43 -0600 > Return-path: <owner-atl-players@tango.rahul.net> > Received: from tango.rahul.net by Defenders.org (Mercury 1.20); > 7 May 95 12:53:36 -0600 > Received: by tango.rahul.net id AA04856 > (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for real-atl-players); Sun, 7 May 1995 08:46:53 -0700 > Received: from mail.torfree.net (danforth.torfree.net) by tango.rahul.net with SMTP id AA04852 > (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for <atl-players@tango.rahul.net>); Sun, 7 May 1995 08:46:51 -0700 > Received: from queen.torfree.net by mail.torfree.net with smtp > (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s88Wb-000LVhC; Sun, 7 May 95 11:45 EDT > Received: by queen.torfree.net (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) > id m0s88WZ-0006zcC; Sun, 7 May 95 11:45 EDT > Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 11:45:39 -0400 (EDT) > From: Marc Siegel <ae485@freenet.toronto.on.ca> > Subject: Re: Atlantis 2.0 - Draft of Press release to Monzon Register > To: Bean <ATLANTIS@bluebean.demon.co.uk> > Cc: Jeff Baclaski <jbaclask@adnetsol.com>, atl-players@tango.rahul.net > In-Reply-To: <9505071113.aa20813@post.demon.co.uk> > Message-Id: <Pine.3.89.9505071138.B2187-0100000@queen> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 > > As a new player ot atlantis i need some help > > I just dl the chekcer, when i decromess it > It comea out a Checker_tar > > How do i get the chekcer in to an exe type of file > and then how do i use it. Im using an ms-dos machine > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- From: "Adam Waters" <swater@glob.chautauqua.com> Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 13:38:50 -0700 Subject: Re: \ Marc, Jeff, and all new players... Don't pay ANYTHING for this information. There are other ways to get ahold of it for free. Keep looking, and keep asking until someone helps you for out... Beedofast 349 -- Adam Waters swater@glob.chautauqua.com (415) 329-9619 ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 18:42:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Siegel <ae485@freenet.toronto.on.ca> Subject: Re: \ Rob I've chnaged my min don paying i ll get it eventuly. ---------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 18:38:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Siegel <ae485@freenet.toronto.on.ca> Subject: Re: \ On Sun, 7 May 1995, ROB PETERS wrote: > I have info on turn checkers & sample beginning orders & a digest of > all the email on varied topics during the past few months. I will > mail this to you if you want in return for 35$ paid in Atlantis. > I'll send it on review -- you pay only if you think I've saved you > $35 worth of worry. 35$ in atlantis, If you mean atlantis silver pieces or money, I agree, I know what i need and if it helps me, then i will. I basicly need to know how to use the turn checker ot make it work. > > Received: from SpoolDir by DEFENDER (Mercury 1.20); 7 May 95 12:53:43 -0600 > > Return-path: <owner-atl-players@tango.rahul.net> > > Received: from tango.rahul.net by Defenders.org (Mercury 1.20); > > 7 May 95 12:53:36 -0600 > > Received: by tango.rahul.net id AA04856 > > (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for real-atl-players); Sun, 7 May 1995 08:46:53 -0700 > > Received: from mail.torfree.net (danforth.torfree.net) by tango.rahul.net with SMTP id AA04852 > > (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for <atl-players@tango.rahul.net>); Sun, 7 May 1995 08:46:51 -0700 > > Received: from queen.torfree.net by mail.torfree.net with smtp > > (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0s88Wb-000LVhC; Sun, 7 May 95 11:45 EDT > > Received: by queen.torfree.net (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) > > id m0s88WZ-0006zcC; Sun, 7 May 95 11:45 EDT > > Date: Sun, 7 May 1995 11:45:39 -0400 (EDT) > > From: Marc Siegel <ae485@freenet.toronto.on.ca> > > Subject: Re: Atlantis 2.0 - Draft of Press release to Monzon Register > > To: Bean <ATLANTIS@bluebean.demon.co.uk> > > Cc: Jeff Baclaski <jbaclask@adnetsol.com>, atl-players@tango.rahul.net > > In-Reply-To: <9505071113.aa20813@post.demon.co.uk> > > Message-Id: <Pine.3.89.9505071138.B2187-0100000@queen> > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 > > > > As a new player ot atlantis i need some help > > > > I just dl the chekcer, when i decromess it > > It comea out a Checker_tar > > > > How do i get the chekcer in to an exe type of file > > and then how do i use it. Im using an ms-dos machine > > > > > > > Up