Re: Greg Lindahl's attitude bothers me!

From: ez058306@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (Phillip Geiger)

Date: Sun, 07 May 1995 00:00:00 +0000

Greg Lindahl's attitude bothers me too...

Greg Lindahl (gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU) wrote:
: Bill Rapp  <conquest@dnai.com> wrote:
: >Greg, I have no problem with your opinion, as long as it has some
: >factual basis. You've spent what, maybe a minute, looking at my www
: >page, and then formed an negative opinion of World Conquest.

: Actually, I've visited your page repeatedly to see if you'd fixed the
: parts that were missing, and I've definately seen enough to correctly
: conclude that it's a game from the same genre as xconq and Empire
: Deluxe.

: I don't have a bad opinion of your game.

Erm...what?  You've *repeatedly* said WC is a simplistic ripoff.

I've talked with Bill on several occasions regarding your attitude and
behavior off rec.games.pbm (meaning email), and though I've never before
even considered posting private email, my utter lack of respect for you
as a human being has prompted the following breach of netiquette:

Bill Rapp wrote to you:
"I've enjoyed your 'zine over the past couple of years and applaud your
efforts.  Thanks for listening..."

To which you responded:
"You're welcome.  But I still have a low opinion of your game."

This is not taken out of context, twisted, or otherwise altered.

Greg, you are either
	a) a schizo,
	b) an arrogant jerk who was extremely rude and condescending
toward the World Conquest moderator (Bill Rapp), and who is now trying to
get everybody to believe that it was Bill who initiated the hostilities
and flamewar.

: I *like* both xconq and Empire Deluxe; I own a copy of Empire Deluxe,
: and it's the only PC : game I've ever purchased.

: I have a bad opinion of you, however, because you're a jerk.

Talk about the pot & kettle...

: Posting email without permission is a severe breach of Usenet
: etiquette. Please never do this in the future.

Don't worry, I won't.

: >I suggest that Greg couldn't care less about PBM; it's a vehicle for
: >him to conduct his own power trip. Greg reminds me of a typical
: >reviewer/critic GONE BAD; one who produces nothing and then feels
: >obliged to force his viewpoints on anyone who enters this forum.

: You're wrong all over. First, I've been playing (and enjoying) PBM and
: PBEM games for the past 14 years. Second, I've produced quite a lot;
: not only the PBM list and archives and WWW pages, but a game review
: for Shadis, part of a book on Internet gaming, and an unfinished
: design for a commercial PBEM game. My point in the email that you
: posted was that PBM is only a small part of my life, certainly not
: worth power-tripping about.

I wouldn't presume to question your qualifications, but your
qualifications (whatever they may be) don't excuse your behavior.

: >The PBM industry is made up of many diverse individuals who have put
: >a LOT of time, energy, and effort indeveloping games.

: Yep. And some of them are jerks, like you, which is bad for the
: industry. I hope you find a clue soon.

: >1) Provide a neutral, unbiased listing to ANYONE who requests a spot
: >   on your www page.

: Is it biased to note that your game is similar to others? I think not.

Further proof that you're not thinking at all...

It'd be nice if that was all you were doing...  Posting article after
article berating Bill for making Newbie mistakes, going out of your way
to tell everybody what a lousy game WC is, and then having the gall to
resort to petty namecalling isn't merely biased - it borders on slander.

If I was Bill, I'd be pissed too.

: >2) Provide INFORMED opinions of games, stating what you liked and what
: >   you disliked. In other words, play the game!

: I like Walter Bright's empire, and I know how it plays. I'm sure I'd
: like your game.

So now you're not even sure if you like World Conquest?  Did your mother
drop you a lot?

: But it's still similar to the other games, one of which is free.

Maybe so, but that's hardly the point here.

: Hoping for a clue-filled tomorrow,

Yeah, me too.

Phil
pggeiger@ucdavis.edu

References

why noone plays best game around?
GEORGE CAMPBELL <70523.2375@CompuServe.COM>
Mon, 01 May 1995 00:00:00 +0000
Re: why noone plays best game around?
Bill Rapp <conquest@dnai.com>
Tue, 02 May 1995 00:00:00 +0000
Re: why noone plays best game around?
gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Wed, 03 May 1995 00:00:00 +0000
Greg Lindahl's attitude bothers me!
Bill Rapp <conquest@dnai.com>
Thu, 04 May 1995 00:00:00 +0000
Re: Greg Lindahl's attitude bothers me!
gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Fri, 05 May 1995 00:00:00 +0000

Referenced By

why noone plays best game around?
GEORGE CAMPBELL <70523.2375@CompuServe.COM>
Mon, 01 May 1995 00:00:00 +0000
Re: why noone plays best game around?
Bill Rapp <conquest@dnai.com>
Tue, 02 May 1995 00:00:00 +0000
Re: why noone plays best game around?
gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Wed, 03 May 1995 00:00:00 +0000
Greg Lindahl's attitude bothers me!
Bill Rapp <conquest@dnai.com>
Thu, 04 May 1995 00:00:00 +0000
Re: Greg Lindahl's attitude bothers me!
gl8f@fermi.clas.Virginia.EDU (Greg Lindahl)
Fri, 05 May 1995 00:00:00 +0000