BSE Digest v195 #169

From: kerry@io.com (Kerry Harrison)

Date: Sat, 06 May 1995 00:00:00 +0000

BSE Digest                   Friday, 5 May 1995         Volume 195 : Number 169

Welcome to the BSE Digest,  the place to discuss all the myriad aspects of
life Beyond the Stellar Empire with other denizens of the Greater Periphery.

In this issue:

+       BSE: Northcape
+       Re: BSE: FOE Statement
+       Re: BSE: New Rules  (For RTG)
+       Re: BSE: New Rules (For RTG)
+       Re: BSE: e-mail turns?
+       Re: BSE: FOR SALE: 1 Cargo Ca...
+       BSE: Re: Hammerfest visit
+       BSE: Re: New Rules
+       Re: BSE: Nexus
+       BSE: e-mail turns? [BOUNCED MESSAGE]
+       Re: BSE: Re: New Rules
+       Re: BSE: New Rules (For RTG)
+       Re: BSE: Northcape
+       BSE: Promotion Qualifications
+       BSE: e-mail turns
+       BSE: Morale question
+       Re: BSE: Re: New Rules
+       BSE: New Rules  (For RTG)
+       Re: BSE: New Rules (For RTG)
+       BSE: Re: Hammerfest Visit
+       BSE: Chancellor Privy
+       Re: BSE: Promotion Qualifications
+       Re: BSE: Promotion Qualifications

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From: "JASON GOFF" <JGOF4P1@S1.csc.peachnet.edu>
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 09:22:22 EST
Subject: BSE: Northcape

Okay, I'm here.  Where the hell are all those FOE bastards
that're supposed to be here?  I wanna rematch!!

Commander Harkamann
Starcaptain, SSL Enterprise

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From: Jackmyster@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 10:40:11 -0400
Subject: Re: BSE: FOE Statement

Lord Anton Qutroh:

You have angered the Ataman to such a great extent, that he
no longer wishes to speak with you. In his rage over being called
a *lair* by you, he tore apart two of his SecurityBot guards.

You must remeber, the Ataman is only half Flagritz, which means
he is prone to fits of emotions, much like humans.

In any event, he has ruled that the Quoomans must be so stupid
that they cannot comprehend the simplest of ideas, therefore
he has appointed me, a lowly Ens., to commincate with you; feeling
that perhaps I can speak in terms that you will understand.

The issue for the FGZ is not whether the Quooman government claims any
systems, that's the Imperial's problem. (Although
based on my experance, calling the FOE High Priest, a lair is also
a very stupid move) Either way, the issue for the Ataman is that
you called *him* a lair.

In short, I would suggest you retract your claim, or offer proof
that he "made the FOE Statement up". (Which we all know you
cannot do, for it is the truth)

The Ataman would also like to know...Where *exactly* do you live?
On Allipon, or Oduds?

With disHonor:
Ens. Nomad1

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From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun)
Date: Thu, 04 May 1995 10:42:24 EDT
Subject: Re: BSE: New Rules  (For RTG)

Rick,

I actually thought something like this:
7-8 Lord
9-10 Highness
11  Demigod
12  Creator

But then again, that's just me....

Be seeing you,

Brad Braun
btb4@lehigh.edu
///////////////////*********************************************\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
  But you don't seem to understand.  I fully expect to reign in Heaven.  After
  all, is it not better to be a live lion?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

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From: Jackmyster@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 11:00:44 -0400
Subject: Re: BSE: New Rules (For RTG)

Rick:

Actually, I disagree with the notion that creeping hull damage should remain
out of the game...When we had it, it *made* the players respond to an act of
agression in a timely manner.

(Also made the RIPs job a little more tougher)

Bests-
J.

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From: "Scragg" <scragg@infi.net>
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 08:04:54 +0000
Subject: Re: BSE: e-mail turns?

>          I'm not officially back in the game yet, but e-mail turns
>          sound great.  But there's always the battle cry of unwired
>         individuals to worry about:  "NOT FAIR!"

RTG has had electronic processing of Victory turns for quite a while
now. No one seems to complain about that. They hold your results
for 2 days before they post them though to even the field a bit for
snail mail players.

Joe
(someone else who hates the USPS)

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From: PROTHORAX@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 13:24:05 -0400
Subject: Re: BSE: FOR SALE: 1 Cargo Ca...

Greetings KZK,
 The WaSP is in need of a CC and would gladly make a offer!

JANUS PROTHORAX

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From: Michael.Keane@maf.nasa.gov
Date: 04 May 95 12:11:08 -0600
Subject: BSE: Re: Hammerfest visit

On Wed, 3 May PEllisCaz@aol.com sent:

>Hi everone I just got back from a visit to hammerfest and I must tell you
>those FOE charaters are putting on quite a show.  I've been to a great many
>places and seen a lot of things, but nothing matches what the FOE are doing.
> I mean I've never seen such acts of cowardness before.  Every Foelian had at
>least four Celtians wearing a shirt that said SHEILD around him. I tell you
>it is something you have to see for yourself.

To: Obvious Liar

You obviously have not been anywhere near Undersea Base as you are still alive.
Consuming mass quantities of stimbrew at an IMP base (if you even made it down
to Hammerfest's surface) commonly causes such delusional visions.  Even the
IMP's are afraid to attack until they have assembled huge forces.  If you what
to be taken seriously posting anonymously is usually not effective (just when
you think a human CAN'T do anything dumber, one comes along and proves you
wrong).  Run away and die quietly.

V'Ril T'Bak, Ruler FOE Target

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From: Michael.Keane@maf.nasa.gov
Date: 04 May 95 13:05:42 -0600
Subject: BSE: Re: New Rules

On Wed, 03 May Brad Braun wrote:

<snip>

>If I understand the rules, a modest research effort could require 8-80K
>collidium?  10K+  Fibrillium?  The space allotted to the feasability study
>indicates that there's not much room for good ideas.
>
>Think about this:  If these rules had been in force in '86 you'd all be living
>in a Universe without Robotic Pleasure Sheep.
>
>Be seeing you,
>
>Brad Braun
>btb4@lehigh.edu

Brad,

Read the rules carefully (I know most of us haven't had the time).  RTG
specifically says the number of Research Points vary for different
'disciplines'.  Don't assume you need 5,000 Fibrillium to build a Class 4
project.  Just because you need 50,000 STARSHIP Research Points for a Class 4
starship project doesn't mean you need 50,000 ELECTRONIC Research points for a
Class 4 electronic project.  I'd imagine that Electronic research (Fibrillium)
would require a lot less points (could be wrong, it's up to Pete and Thad based
on the project).  Later.

Mike K.

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From: PROTHORAX@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 14:48:25 -0400
Subject: Re: BSE: Nexus

(ooc) are you talking about lord nexus or the system nexus? later david

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From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com>
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 13:59:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: BSE: e-mail turns? [BOUNCED MESSAGE]

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 04 May 95 14:25:49 CST
From: "Mike Williams" <Mike_Williams@pc.radian.com>
Subject: Re[2]: BSE: e-mail turns?

Holding e-mail results for 2 days wouldn't help the
USnail players much; e-mail players usually have access
to their turns and messages both at work and home.  You
could get your turn results at work before lunch, fill
out your turns during lunch, and have RTG process the
turns (conceivably) the same day.  Those players still using
conventional mail might occasionally get their turns the
same DAY that you do, but they wouldn't be able to get the
turn back in the loop until several days later.

But the really BIG advantage for those who use the Internet
is the speed and quantity of information available from the
other players .  Those players who are not using the
Internet (or some form of on-line commercial e-mail and/or FTP
service) may not even know that RTG has come out with a new
set of rules, let alone that one of their ships has been
attacked.  I know most of us find it hard to conceive of
living and playing without the net, but no one can deny that
unconnected players are not at a disadvantage.  (My personal
opinion is e-mail turns should be available and
"serious/power player" players should get a computer and get
on-line; if they can afford BSE in the first place they
should be able to get a cheap 386 and a $20 internet account.)

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From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun)
Date: Thu, 04 May 1995 14:40:31 EDT
Subject: Re: BSE: Re: New Rules

Mike,

As a "rough" estimate, plot the curves created by the "Some Projects" data.
Even if you don't extrapolate, there's enough data there to begin to make some
predictions.  When you consider how much more expensive these projects, most
of which are lousy to begin with, have suddenly become, well....

They should probably be made "common" market items, and those folks who
currently produce them (as AFF tech, I think) should get an appropriate number
of "new tech points" based on the cost in old research points.

Which reminds me:  What happens to folks with old tech points?  At what rate
are they converted, and to what are they converted?  I don't remember, this
may have been addressed back in 11/94.

Be seeing you,

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From: Law2Be@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 15:51:05 -0400
Subject: Re: BSE: New Rules (For RTG)

Brad,

You mean Fat Boy ran a class 12???

Actually, anything along those lines would be fun.  I can't think of a single
colony that would qualify as a 10 or better, although I will have a 9
shortly.

Rick

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From: Cojran Michael <cojran@ucsub.Colorado.EDU>
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 14:13:57 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: Re: BSE: Northcape

The Enterprise was a little late.  The IND Baseship has been blown up,
and the FOE want to pull a hasty retreat from Hammerfest.  You missed the
battle action when the BS decided it wanted to commit suicide rather than
face capture, and attacked a DN.  You should have seen the fireworks!

Zed Thunder
AFT Sgt. at Arms

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From: ronk@triassic-142.Eng.Sun.COM (Ron Kleinman)
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 13:30:10 -0700
Subject: BSE: Promotion Qualifications

>>We agree, but why is battle seen is the most intrinsically hazardous duty?
>>Nuking 3 midsized ships as part of a 25 capital ship force is minor compared
>>to some of the critically important, and quite dangerous, exploration done.
>>

Battle?  Exploration?  What about TRADE as the major determinate in
deciding when promotions are due?  The skill of being ready to pounce
on the latest raw material shortages on Hypso or locate an out-of the-way
source for a commodity needed in a score of major markets is obviously
one that must be carefully honed by the small group of lifeforms which
are blessed with native talents in this area.

Look at any group of young sentient beings.  The ones who are fighting
will go into the military, the ones who are playing hide-and-seek will go into
exploring, but the ones who have traded their old sandwich for two collector
comic books are the ones to watch out for in later life .. the few the proud
the traders.

Perhaps an additional career path can be made by dividing the total number
of stellars earned by the number of cargo holds available (with a bonus
factor for haulage contracts done for the affiliation).  Then you'd get
a "master trader" (who might receive bonuses in terms of decreased TU time
for such things as cargo transfers and jumps (can calculate the start/end
coordinates faster).

Sincerely,

Nicholas Van Rijn
						QSN Blue Whale
						MerchantPerson

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From: Kevin Curnutt <76114.3576@compuserve.com>
Date: 04 May 95 16:38:56 EDT
Subject: BSE: e-mail turns

John,

>>Is e-mail turns something you would find useful? Or do you prefer
writing out turns the old fashioned way?<<

I've been uploading my turns to Thunder since I started playing back
around the first of the year.  It works great.  All you've got to do is be
sure and start the name with an x when Thunder asks you for the name of the
file that's being uploaded.  Their system has a routine that, once a day,
prints out (and deletes) every file that's been uploaded that starts with an
x.

On the other hand, I would *love* my results in an ASCII file.  I
spoke with Thad last week, and he said that was on the "to do" list, but
that it would be very time consuming to code (they've got to rewrite every
little print routine to redirect it to an ASCII file).  He said they would
get to it eventually.

Kevin

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From: jstanton@qualcomm.com (John Stanton)
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 13:58:31 -0700
Subject: BSE: Morale question

Thad/Pete,

Will stellars still boost morale?

John

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From: ccharnle@m-net148.arbornet.org (Chip Charnley)
Date: Thu, 4 May 95 19:40 WET DST
Subject: Re: BSE: Re: New Rules

>Which reminds me:  What happens to folks with old tech points?  At what rate
>are they converted, and to what are they converted?  I don't remember, this
>may have been addressed back in 11/94.
>
Since my old research points are now appearing on my printout as GENERAL
RESEARCH points, I would hazard a guess that they will convert at a 5:1
ratio to any type of RSCH PT you want them to be.

Jame Retief

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From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com
Date: Thu, 04 May 1995 23:41:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: BSE: New Rules  (For RTG)

> How about calling governor ranks 9-12 Grand Lord?  Just to add flavor.

Or Count/Baron/Duke, etc....

Steve

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From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com>
Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 23:26:50 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: BSE: New Rules (For RTG)

On Thu, 4 May 1995 LUDENDORF@delphi.com wrote:

> Or Count/Baron/Duke, etc....

Yeah,

9 - Baron
10 - Count
11 - Marquis
12 - Duke

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From: PEllisCaz@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 02:35:07 -0400
Subject: BSE: Re: Hammerfest Visit

Hmm, that is strange the FOE creature, I think I couldn't see past that
celtian in front of him, made an issue about being at Undersea Base, but said
nothing about being called a coward.  Does that mean that the Foe admits to
being cowards? Appearently so. After all they are hiding behind Celtians and
hired tugs.

Mr. FOE person  next ask that cetian to move out of the way.  I like to see
the being speaking to me.

OOC:  Hey Mike, who sent the message is CLEARLY stated in the header of the
message.  Therefor, I really see no point to legthen the down load time of
other people for a signature.  Nor, do I see a point to quote something that
could be found out by reading earlier massages with the same subject.  As for
sending e-mail anonomously, IT IS NOT POSIBLE!

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From: Jackmyster@aol.com
Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 09:52:38 -0400
Subject: BSE: Chancellor Privy

Greetings!

The Ataman is pleased to announce that Wotan Tembu has accepted the
responsiabilites of "Chancellor Privy".

This means that you may discuss with him anything that you would discuss with
the Ataman.

Basically, his fuctions are to "act" as a Speaker For The Rada and as the
Ataman's "Right Side".

Much Honor
Lord Den of Earth

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From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun)
Date: Fri, 05 May 1995 10:48:18 EDT
Subject: Re: BSE: Promotion Qualifications

In BSE, rank and promotion are NOT according to contemporary military lines.
It's more like a century or more ago, when service "to the crown" (or
whatever) of various types was rewarded.  The various career paths should have
different mods.  A very active trader/hauler, who advances not only his own
pocket but the AFF as well, should be rewarded at a greater rate than the
captain of a semi-mothballed reserve warship.  As it now stands, they will
advance at the same rate.

Maybe the easiest thing would be to use a TU-based, instead of a "real time"
based, minimum on promotions.  This way, the more active postions would advance
more quickly than thos simply in reserve.  I would suggest 3 months of TUs as
the requirement, so a ship being run pretty much all of the time would make it
in 4 months (due to snail mail lag), perhaps a bit faster if the player really
pushes things.  Battle reports might count as an additional 140 or 280 TUs to
reflect the rewards of serving in battle.

Be seeing you,

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From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com>
Date: Fri, 5 May 1995 09:52:24 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: BSE: Promotion Qualifications

On Fri, 5 May 1995, B T Braun wrote:

> Maybe the easiest thing would be to use a TU-based, instead of a "real time"
> based, minimum on promotions.  This way, the more active postions would advance
> more quickly than thos simply in reserve.  I would suggest 3 months of TUs as
> the requirement, so a ship being run pretty much all of the time would make it
> in 4 months (due to snail mail lag), perhaps a bit faster if the player really
> pushes things.  Battle reports might count as an additional 140 or 280 TUs to
> reflect the rewards of serving in battle.

I like.

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