BSE Digest v195 #168 From: kerry@io.com (Kerry Harrison) Date: Sat, 06 May 1995 00:00:00 +0000 BSE Digest Thursday, 4 May 1995 Volume 195 : Number 168 Welcome to the BSE Digest, the place to discuss all the myriad aspects of life Beyond the Stellar Empire with other denizens of the Greater Periphery. In this issue: + Re: BSE: Hammerfest + BSE: For Sale + Re: BSE: Questions about the ... + BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 #166 + BSE: Hammerfest Visit + Re: BSE: FOR SALE: 1 Cargo Carrier + Re: BSE: FOE Statement + BSE: New Rules + Re: BSE: New Rules + Re: BSE: FOE Statement + BSE: e-mail turns? + BSE: Rules now available in PDF format + Re: BSE: e-mail turns? + Re: BSE: FOR SALE: 1 Cargo Carrier + Re: BSE: e-mail turns? + BSE: BOUNCE bse-list@pentagon.io.com: Admin request (fwd) + BSE: Rules Version 5.0 + BSE: e-mail turns? -Reply + Re: BSE: FOR SALE: 1 Cargo Carrier + Re: BSE: Promotions + BSE: Re: Are you mailing out print... + Re: BSE: e-mail turns? + BSE: Capellan Periphery Times v14 #2 + Re: BSE: Rules Version 5.0 + BSE: Cargo Cargo w/Cloaking Device Bids Update + BSE: Nexus + Re: BSE: Promotions + Re: BSE: e-mail turns? + Re: BSE: e-mail turns? + BSE: New Rules (For RTG) See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the bse-list or bse-digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 21:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Hammerfest > Hammerfest is located in space square ??????? Russ, Space Square 1737. Steve ------------------------------ From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com Date: Tue, 02 May 1995 21:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: BSE: For Sale In light of the need for "Other Intoxicants" for research, I will offer for sale or trade: 10,000 MU of Other Intoxicant. I will deliver Also, arrrangements can be made for future supplies. Contact me privately Steve ------------------------------ From: RTGThad@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 01:11:58 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Questions about the ... Yes, they are all in the game. "Other Intoxicants" is something that we view as experimental "brews" used for research. ALien Plantlife and Alien Animals can generally be raised at special complexes on worlds with life. Thad ------------------------------ From: David Isaac <76170.2705@compuserve.com> Date: 03 May 95 02:06:45 EDT Subject: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 #166 General Anouncment An AFT colony was attacked and captured by IND forces recently. Consequently we have no choice but to put all IND on our ground attack lists. We appoligize to all of the peaceful independants operating near AFT colonies and hope this does not disuade you from trading at our colonies. Just be sure to use the Hiport. Unfortunatly you'll have to use someone elses complexes for your needs. We offer a reward for any information leading to the slow roasting over an open fire of IND Merchanman "Atlantis" 4735. Mikel Lloyd (still) AFT Negotiator ------------------------------ From: PEllisCaz@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 03:26:14 -0400 Subject: BSE: Hammerfest Visit Hi everone I just got back from a visit to hammerfest and I must tell you those FOE charaters are putting on quite a show. I've been to a great many places and seen a lot of things, but nothing matches what the FOE are doing. I mean I've never seen such acts of cowardness before. Every Foelian had at least four Celtians wearing a shirt that said SHEILD around him. I tell you it is something you have to see for yourself. ------------------------------ From: Alan Hatcher <ZU02380@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU> Date: Wed, 03 May 95 02:47:44 CDT Subject: Re: BSE: FOR SALE: 1 Cargo Carrier On Tue, 2 May 1995 17:46:59 -0500 (CDT) Kerry Harrison said: > >For sale to the highest bidder, 1 Cargo Carrier equipped with a Cloaking >Device. Bids accepted via private email only. > >KZK At what level should the bids start at? Or does even asking this question mean I can't afford it? :) Alan ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 08:22:44 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: FOE Statement Anton Qutroh: YOU accused Den of Earth of lying. Not my starcaptain. I repeated the message he had forwarded to me.... Either way it is immaterial. You've already proved that you either are a liar to the 9th degree...or are an idiot. Which would you prefer to be called? As for the Quoomans "dealings" with the High Priest...No, actually it's because the FOE make the Quoomans wet their pants. You fear them....In fact, I believe the High Priest spoke of you once...Said something to the effect that you were "weak" and deserved to die...Wasn't that about it? In any event, I want my apoligy, even for an idiot that shouldn't be too hard. Lord Den of Earth ------------------------------ From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun) Date: Wed, 03 May 1995 10:21:26 EDT Subject: BSE: New Rules There's a lot that could be said, but (at least for now): Fleet turns??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? If I understand the rules, a modest research effort could require 8-80K collidium? 10K+ Fibrillium? The space allotted to the feasability study indicates that there's not much room for good ideas. Think about this: If these rules had been in force in '86 you'd all be living in a Universe without Robotic Pleasure Sheep. Be seeing you, Brad Braun btb4@lehigh.edu ///////////////////*********************************************\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ But you don't seem to understand. I fully expect to reign in Heaven. After all, is it not better to be a live lion? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com> Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 09:37:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BSE: New Rules On Wed, 3 May 1995, B T Braun wrote: > Think about this: If these rules had been in force in '86 you'd all be living > in a Universe without Robotic Pleasure Sheep. Damn! Hey Thad! Any chance we could make those new research rules retroactive and thus make those bloody disgusting sheep disappear from the game? <G> Kerry ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 08:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: FOE Statement On Wed, 3 May 1995 Jackmyster@aol.com wrote: > Anton Qutroh: > > As for the Quoomans "dealings" with the High Priest...No, actually it's > because the FOE make the Quoomans wet their pants. You fear them....In fact, > I believe the High Priest spoke of you once...Said something to the effect > that you were "weak" and deserved to die...Wasn't that about it? > > In any event, I want my apoligy, even for an idiot that shouldn't be too > hard. > > Lord Den of Earth > Den of Earth, Your incessant prattle puts me to shame. I have always considered myself skilled in the art of diplomacy, but you are indeed the master. You are trying to convince me and the rest of the known universe that you know QSN policy better than the QSN. A true skill indeed. As proof, you offer the word of a Daemon who somehow got this out of our Maalox. This daemon then asked you, whom we have disputes with, to spread the information. Obviously because your credibility is so high. If the daemon was truly interested in "getting the word out," why didn't he ask some neutral third party to rely the message? Maybe it was inconvienent. Since I was not privy to the exact conversation between the Maalox and the Foe High Priest, I can not comment and neither can you. There might have been a misunderstanding or you may have been lied to or you are lying. It does not matter. Shut your whining and allow us to quote our own policy. In the future, if you would like to spread "information" on others, I would personally recommend saying it once and offering your proof. Let your silence say the rest. As for this recent statement, I reiterate that the QSN do not claim Quoda and Barque. That is all. Lord Anton Qutroh Minister of Propaganda ------------------------------ From: jstanton@qualcomm.com (John Stanton) Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 08:53:47 -0700 Subject: BSE: e-mail turns? Pete/Thad, What is the status of electronic turns? Is that on the list of future enhancements? Seems like you could save a lot of postage by sending out results electronically? It would be nice to have colony information on-line. People of the list, Is e-mail turns something you would find useful? Or do you prefer writing out turns the old fashioned way? Thanks, John ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com> Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 11:22:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: BSE: Rules now available in PDF format The new rules are now available in PDF (Adobe's Portable Document Format) as bserules.pdf from the ftpsite. Kerry ------------------------------ From: btb4@Lehigh.EDU (B T Braun) Date: Wed, 03 May 1995 12:37:01 EDT Subject: Re: BSE: e-mail turns? I would like to see email turns, at least submissions. I'm not sure I'd care to give up printed turns, though. Printed turns have been used for over a decade as incontrovertible evidence. If folks start printing out their own, then things could get dicey. Be seeing you, Brad Braun btb4@lehigh.edu ///////////////////*********************************************\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ But you don't seem to understand. I fully expect to reign in Heaven. After all, is it not better to be a live lion? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com> Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 13:08:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BSE: FOR SALE: 1 Cargo Carrier On Wed, 3 May 1995, Alan Hatcher wrote: > At what level should the bids start at? Or does even asking this question > mean I can't afford it? :) Minimum bids should be 2,000,000 stellars in value. KZK ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com> Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 13:10:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BSE: e-mail turns? On Wed, 3 May 1995, John Stanton wrote: > Is e-mail turns something you would find useful? Or do you prefer > writing out turns the old fashioned way? Yes I would find emailed turn results (in ASCII text format) very useful). It's my understanding that turn orders can already be sent to RTG electronically. Kerry ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com> Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 13:13:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: BSE: BOUNCE bse-list@pentagon.io.com: Admin request (fwd) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 13:05:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com> Subject: Re: BSE: FOR SALE: 1 Cargo Carrier On Tue, 2 May 1995, Hendrick,Bill;=9462771 wrote: > I think it may help everyone if they knew a closing day for bids. The closing day for bids is May 10th @ Midnight central. ------------------------------ From: "Richard A. Loutzenheiser" <76311.2317@compuserve.com> Date: 03 May 95 14:29:47 EDT Subject: BSE: Rules Version 5.0 I am a little fuzzy about the private sector. Do unused manhours generate stellars or is it untooled factories, or is it factories with no production schedule? Dick ------------------------------ From: PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AL.WPAFB.AF.MIL Date: Wed, 03 May 1995 13:28:52 -0400 Subject: BSE: e-mail turns? -Reply YES, YES, YES!! wE WANT EMAIL TURNS. WE WANT EMAIL TURNS. Phil K ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com> Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 13:04:50 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BSE: FOR SALE: 1 Cargo Carrier On Tue, 2 May 1995, Chip Charnley wrote: > Well, the WCE would be interested but I would like to know if this is a > stellars only auction or are your looking at barter as well? If the latter, > what types of things would you be interested in? We are looking for a combination of stellars and items/other materials (just about anything will be considered). KZK ------------------------------ From: RTGThad@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 16:10:19 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Promotions Anything having to do with combat experience will be dealt with in the new combat systems. Thad ------------------------------ From: jstanton@qualcomm.com (John Stanton) Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 13:45:48 -0700 Subject: BSE: Re: Are you mailing out print... Thad, I would like to request a copy of the rules. I understand not being able to implement everything at once, hey I've spent two months just writing a serial communications driver -- so I know that things take time. I think that you will increase the number of players beyond the traditional scope of PBM players if you get connected to the Internet in "firmer" way. Fleet turns is something I would be more interested in seeing in the near future. Research looks very good, I am pleased. I am still a little worried about the economy, but I am patient. Sometimes I wish that you could have merged all of the good points of BSE into the NEB code, then you would have a really good game. Keep up the good work, John ------------------------------ From: rboggs@isisph.com (Russ Boggs) Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 11:42:36 -0800 Subject: Re: BSE: e-mail turns? >People of the list, > Is e-mail turns something you would find useful? Or do you prefer >writing out turns the old fashioned way? I talked to Thad a week ago and the subject of submitting turns by EMail arose. Thad said anything was fine: SnailMail, upload to the RTG BBS, fax, EMail turns to Thad's AOL address. Unlike other GMs I've found, he seems to _enjoy_ getting turns and running the game and he ain't terribly concerned over details. - --Russ ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com> Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 17:41:11 -0500 (CDT) Subject: BSE: Capellan Periphery Times v14 #2 is now available via anonymous ftp from ftp.io.com in the /pub/usr/kerry/BSE/Newsletters directory as either cpt1402.doc (Word for Windows 6.0) or cpt1402.pdf (Adobe Portable Document Format). Also CPT v14 #1 is available in the same directory. Kerry ------------------------------ From: RTGThad@aol.com Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 16:29:38 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Rules Version 5.0 The private sector generates stellars from available manhours. So if you have a colony with 100,000 man hours available, and you use 50,000 for factory production <say>, then the remaining 50,000 would filter down to the private sector and generate 5,000 stellars. If you had 100,000 man hours and none were used <either you untooled all your factories or had nothing in your queue>, the all 100,000 would filter to the private sector and you would get10,000 stellars. Thad ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com> Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 21:34:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: BSE: Cargo Cargo w/Cloaking Device Bids Update Bidder 1 ======== 2000 Jacium 5000 Strion 5000 Processed Thorlium Bidder 2 ======== 500,000 Stellars Bidder 3 ======== 1,000,000 Stellars 1 Class-3 Colony 10,000 Other Intoxicants Bidder 4 ======== 300,000 Stellars Bidder 5 ======== 1,500,000 Stellars 200 Collidium 1000 Fibrillium 100 Pulsar Tanks 10 Teleporters Bidder 6 ======== 1,000,000 Stellars ------------------------------ From: Alan Hatcher <ZU02380@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU> Date: Wed, 03 May 95 22:46:23 CDT Subject: BSE: Nexus Alright Dammmit! I'll ask the question no one else seems to be asking: WHERE THE HELL IS NEXUS AND HOW DO I GET THERE? Thank you and goodnight, Alan ------------------------------ From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com Date: Wed, 03 May 1995 23:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Promotions Thad, What about the ability to stockpile starcaptains of rank, at a colony for future usage. I didn't see anything in the new rules on this. Also, what about all that political point stuff? Was that scrapped? Steve ------------------------------ From: "Mike Williams" <Mike_Williams@pc.radian.com> Date: Wed, 03 May 95 13:08:44 CST Subject: Re: BSE: e-mail turns? I'm not officially back in the game yet, but e-mail turns sound great. But there's always the battle cry of unwired individuals to worry about: "NOT FAIR!" ------------------------------ From: Patrick McLaughlin <pmcl@cts.com> Date: Wed, 3 May 1995 23:34:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: e-mail turns? On Wed, 3 May 1995, Mike Williams wrote: > I'm not officially back in the game yet, but e-mail turns > sound great. But there's always the battle cry of unwired > individuals to worry about: "NOT FAIR!" Invite them to complain to the local Pony Express office. <sheesh> ------------------------------ From: Law2Be@aol.com Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 08:32:00 -0400 Subject: BSE: New Rules (For RTG) Has creeping hull damage been re-instated? We all were happy to see that eliminated for more reasons than I want to reiterate here Double check weekly morale decline is set properly. Fat Boy messed with the routines to accelerate morale decline so even rec-decks were unable to keep morale from dropping 3-4/week, rather than 1-2. Without rec-decks I was getting up to 6/week decline. Since sensors will tell you what ships have scanned you between turns, is it possible to have a colonies sensors detect if, and who conducted an attempt to detail scan the colony? Double check that paying the STC for a position inquiry gives you the ship type. Last few times I did it, I did not get this info. How about calling governor ranks 9-12 Grand Lord? Just to add flavor. When converting General Research points to Specialized Points, do you consume any of the unique material for those points (like collidium, fibrillium, other intox, etc). Ouch~! I'm going to have to get used to the idea of my class 8 research colonies only having 25% of capacity for maintenance. Will each aff get 1 or more scientists to start? Perhaps 1 to represent the research coordinator at least. That's it for now, Rick Burningham ------------------------------ End of BSE Digest V195 #168 *************************** To subscribe to bse-digest, send the command: subscribe bse-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@io.com". To unsubscribe from the bse-digest send the command: unsubscribe bse-digest in the body of a message to "Majordomo@io.com". 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