ATLANTISv2 atl-players-digest #65

From: csd@microplex.com (Christian Daudt)

Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 00:00:00 +0000

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I'm thinking of discotinuing this service.Does anyone read this,
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Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 06:49:07 GMT
From: anthonyc@cet.co.jp (Anthony Chow)
Subject: Re: atlantis 2.0 report

At 10:29 95/05/17 -0500, John Bollinger wrote:
>Thus your "BUY 157 HEL" order was
>interpreted as "BUY 1 HEL".  As you know, the latter order is unlikely to
>score any HEL in Atlantis City due to the great demand.

There is a simple and elegant solution to this problem. It is so
simple that I can't beleive that I am the only one to have thought
of it!

The only true solution is:
1) Leave Atlantis,
2) Buy as many people as you want.

Not only do you get as many people as you require, you don't
have to spend money feeding them as they move to where ever
you are going. Don't waste time and money. Atlantis is crowded,
you'll never get what you want there. Move to where the living
is easy!

[This of course doesn't have anything to do with the fact that
I live in Tokyo and have been waiting six months to find a
decent apartment...]
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Erehw I emoc morf eht sdrib gnis a ytterp gnos dna
ereht si syawla cisum ni eht ria.
-Twin Peaks.

www.cet.co.jp/~anthonyc/homepage.htm

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Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 09:00:50 --100
From: mickey@anacad.fr (Laurent ROCHETTE)
Subject: Re: Forgetting Skills

>> Could S'one enlightne me how to forget skills.
>> For example, a pure magic faction with 5 mages wishes to become war/magic,
>> with a max of 2 mages. How do I forget the other mage spells so I am left
>> with the magic-users of my choice.

You have to use the FORGET order.

In the orders of the 2 mages, you want to "lost", you have to forget each foundation that your magician know.

ex:

UNIT 345254
FORGET MIND
FORGET NATURAL
....

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Date: Thu, 18 May 95 09:02:45 BST
From: dean@memex.co.uk (Dean Burton)
Subject: Atlantis (Enchanted wagons)

Mage in Atlantis city offers service of enchanting wagons make an offer.
You supply the wagon I enchant it.

Enchanted wagons need no horse.  Move as fast as riding.

First order acepted.

Dean B.

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From: SARIKAKIS ANDREAS <andrew@ergasya.tuc.gr>
Subject: A lvl 4 builder for sale
Date: Thu, 18 May 95 11:47:34 WETDST

Are you interested to buy this unit?

* BUILDERS (1059), The working Faction (181), behind, leader, 45
  silver. Skills: building 4 (390).

If he studies 2 more months he will be lvl 5 and who knows what he could
be avaiable to build.
If you want to use him now he can build magical fortresses that
protect you from magic as well as from melee weapons.
I will accept offers about him till the end of the turn.
You can offer other men equipment,horses,wagons etc.

I also sell PLTs or exchange them for other things.
Make offers for PLTs if you want I'll probably accept them!

I can teach 2 men in Armorer too!
Are you interested?
         The working faction 181 		andrew@hra.ergasya.tuc.gr

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Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 18:39:20 +1000 (EST)
From: Voytek <vlap@ecr.mu.oz.au>
Subject: Re: Combat Arena?/Re: Trolls

On Thu, 18 May 1995, Anthony Chow wrote:
> At 15:25 95/05/18 +1000, Tammuz wrote:
> >What do you think about having a "combat arena" in the major cities in
> >which player's units could duel for cash and/or equipment prizes? It
> >would be like the Roman Gladiator system.
>
> Is it possible to construct a "double enclosure" a building inside
> a building? A house inside a castle for instance. The inner construction
> would be the ring (just like in Sumo). That way outsiders and city
> gaurds could view the occupants while still being two weeks travel
> away, and hence not part of the combat. Or a third faction (the
> referees/bouncers) could stay in the outer enclosure and "block"
> entrance from the outside in an unfriendly manner.
>
> There is only one way to find out if this will work and that is to
> try it! However it could turn into a bloodbath if there are enough
> allied factions present (kinda like a football match). :)
>
> The other alternative of course, if you want to view battles
> for fun, is to stand outside a lair and wait for the Trolls
> to come out. :)

Another possibility is a new command, DUEL which must be given by both
parties for a duel to occur. No one else would be allowed to participate
in the combat unless they were stated in all the other participants duel
commands. Announcements of upcoming duels could be advertised in the
times and everyone could bet amongst themselves, maybe even someone would
want to be a bookie. Payment for the participants would be aproblem.
Maybe it would only be from bets between the duellers, or funded some
other way.

Voytek.
(vlap@ecr.mu.oz.au)
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From: "J.P. Harvey" <u3jph@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Returned mail: User unknown
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 09:50:36 +0100 (BST)

> I DECLARE WAR TO THE FREE COMPANIONS !!!

Stoopid person you are!

>
> Yes, I know that's foolish. He's probably one of the strongest faction
> in Atlantis World. But I prefer to die than live as a slave.
>
> I'm not seeking any allies for this combat, but I want to inform everyone

You wouldn't get many :)

> - The Free Companions do not understand the word "alliance". He is the
> master, and you will be the slaves !

Yeah right, you're just jealous that he's got it right and you've got it
wrong!

> - The following lands are plains (91,21) (91,22) (91,23) (92,21) (92,22)
> (92,23) (92,24) (93,22) (94,21) (94,22) (95,21) (95,22) (and maybe more !),
> and the Free Companions are claiming ALL OF THEM !!! (plus, of course,
> several mountains southwest of Kashmar, which block almost every movement
> in the region).

Yes I'm quite impressed by that - but I do understand that he's taken the
 time to train and arm a HUGE amount of troops to do this. That took a lot
 of organisation and probably caused him many sleepless nights!

> Don't you thing it's a little bit too much for a sole faction ?

No - I'm gonna be that big one day ;-)

>
> I do not agree with this attitude !
> NON-WAR FACTIONS ARE NOT SLAVES !!!

No-one said they were. They are just muscle. That is why they have developed
 faster. Plus they are limited to one region while mage and trade factions
 get much more tolerance anywhere!

>
> So, if you think I'm right, TELL IT !

I DON'T think you're right! Quit moaning and go to another area.

> Do not claim the lands, but claim the right to live and produce peacefuly,
> with a total freedom of trade.
> If every trade faction refuse to produce for the own use of this kind of war
> factions, they will understand there cannot be amies without swords or bows,
> and there's no cavalry without horses.

Trade factions are motivated by profit. Why should they care as long as
 someone is buying their goods! War factions will end up slaves to their
 suppliers, not vice versa.

>
> I won't win this war, but I'll shout my anger till the end...
>
 Thank God that won't take long!

Jon. 217.

Ps: by the way, I'm not affiliated with the Free Companions in any way,
 I've never met them either, except when they were in Atlantis City at the
 beginning.

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From: "J.P. Harvey" <u3jph@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Returned mail: User unknown
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 09:51:45 +0100 (BST)

>
  > WRONG FOLKS!
  >
  > If you want to buy ANY number of elves, you have to supply the unit with
  > enough money to buy them (in the case that you may get them!)
  > This means that the first turn, with 5000 sil at your disposal, you can
ask
  > for only 80 HEL (maybe one or two more, but then your leader will be
stumped!)
  > Depending on the demand, you will gat a proportion of the asking!
  > In this case, say the ratio is 8 to 1, then you will get only 10 men!
  > You still have to have the funds to BUY the 80, IT IS NOT SCALED
DOWN!!!!!!

> Read it an weep, friends!

I'm Weeping already ;-) Have been for turns :)

I asked for 90 and got 8 last turn, so I think the ratio has dropped
  to about 1:11. Ain't life a complete...

>
  > A simple order to buy 10 men, needs to have $600 to back the order!
Whether
  > they get the 10 or not depends on the demand in the area!
  >

If you think that having all the extra cash around is bound to attract
  thieves, your right! I know of at least three thieves that are capable of
  stealing in Atlantis city. I also have the OBS to stop them if I choose.

If you want me to protect you in Atlantis city by watching your units
  with my OBS people, the charge is 30 Silver a month (how cheap can you
  get at 0.5 an elf!)

call me soon!

Jon. 217.

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From: "J.P. Harvey" <u3jph@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Combat Arena?/Re: Trolls
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 09:57:32 +0100 (BST)

> At 15:25 95/05/18 +1000, Tammuz wrote:
>>What do you think about having a "combat arena" in the major cities in
>>which player's units could duel for cash and/or equipment prizes? It
>>would be like the Roman Gladiator system.
>>
>>Just a few thoughts, please let me know what you think.
>>J
>
> Is it possible to construct a "double enclosure" a building inside
> a building?

I don't think so. I asked Geoff about this sort of thing at the beginning,
andgot a lot of 'no's in response.

A house inside a castle for instance. The inner construction
> would be the ring (just like in Sumo). That way outsiders and city
> gaurds could view the occupants while still being two weeks travel
> away, and hence not part of the combat. Or a third faction (the
> referees/bouncers) could stay in the outer enclosure and "block"
> entrance from the outside in an unfriendly manner.
>
> There is only one way to find out if this will work and that is to
> try it! However it could turn into a bloodbath if there are enough
> allied factions present (kinda like a football match). :)
>
I think this sort of thing will not work. Howerver feel free to try dudes!

> The other alternative of course, if you want to view battles
> for fun, is to stand outside a lair and wait for the Trolls
> to come out. :)

Yes it's been real boring since new factions stopped pitting their sole
leaderagainst the cityguards :)

Jon.

Email Address  : u3jph@csc.liv.ac.uk
World Wide Web : http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/users/u3jph/index.html
Atlantis WWW   : http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/users/u3jph/Atlantis/index.html

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From: SARIKAKIS ANDREAS <andrew@ergasya.tuc.gr>
Subject: Everything is in Kashmar
Date: Thu, 18 May 95 13:39:44 WETDST

Everything I sell you is located in Kashmar.
    Sorry for not telling so.

The working faction 181 		andrew@hra.ergasya.tuc.gr
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Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 13:08:52 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Mattias Fagerlund <t91matfa@und.ida.liu.se>
Subject: The Enquirer Utility v0.9 Beta

EnqUtil is a program for parsing your atlantean turnreports, and it
requires;
Windows 3.1 or higher,
Enquirer 2.0 and
copies of your old turn reports.

About the EnqUtil call for beta tester.

OK, the response has been quite good and I have enough beta testers for now,
but if you still want to test the program, this is how to get the beta;

The latest version of EnqUtil can be downloaded from;
ftp.nrg.dtu.dk /uploads/enqut??.zip
It will later be move to a separate atlantis directory,
I don't know which at the time.
Take the one with the largest number where the ?? are.

If you don't have access to ftp, I can send you a UUENCODED
version.

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From: "cyril.bouanna" <bouanna@eurolang.fr>
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 13:41:30 +0200
Subject: Corinth, 47,55 & 46,56

To any Lord, in the forest of Corinth, (47,55) & (46,56) :

I still have 4 weaponsmiths in these forests.
If you have wood (or iron), I could produce weapons for you.

If you (or any of your friends) are interested, please
contact me quickly. It could be a good deal !

- Grendel, Bard of Gondor.

Btw: please all specify WHERE you are, when you do a proposal
     on this list. Many guys write to sell men or items, but
     if they don't say in which area they are, it's useless.

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From: "J.P. Harvey" <u3jph@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Combat Arena?/Re: Trolls
Date: Thu, 18 May 1995 13:41:14 +0100 (BST)

> Another possibility is a new command, DUEL which must be given by both
> parties for a duel to occur. No one else would be allowed to participate
> in the combat unless they were stated in all the other participants duel
> commands. Announcements of upcoming duels could be advertised in the
> times and everyone could bet amongst themselves, maybe even someone would
> want to be a bookie. Payment for the participants would be aproblem.
> Maybe it would only be from bets between the duellers, or funded some
> other way.

What a good idea!

The duel command could be coded to give a reward to the winning person(s).
Maybe 20 silver for every round the combat lasted (assuming that they
survived...). Also don't forget that winners get 50% of their opponents stuff :)

Betting is a game/roleplay risk, and I think it should be left out of any
coding and organised by player entreprenneurs or people who can spell that word
:-)

Jon.

Email Address  : u3jph@csc.liv.ac.uk
World Wide Web : http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/users/u3jph/index.html
Atlantis WWW   : http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/users/u3jph/Atlantis/index.html

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From: Lewis Haddow <9235367@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
Date:          Thu, 18 May 1995 15:16:46 +0000
Subject:       Re: ATL2 : WAR !!!

>
>
> I DECLARE WAR TO THE FREE COMPANIONS !!!
>
 Pseudo
> (My faction's name is a secret...)
>
>
>
It's madmen like this that make the game interesting...
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From: The Hidden Paw <9446436@mull.sms.ed.ac.uk>
Date:          Thu, 18 May 1995 14:06:11 +0000
Subject:       Re: Combat Arena?/Re: Trolls(atlantis)

Hi there

I'm kinda new around here so excuse any rule guff ups

> Betting is a game/roleplay risk, and I think it should be left out of any
> coding and organised by player entreprenneurs or people who can spell that word
> :-)

I'd probably be willing to give taht a go but wouldn't it make more
sence to have the people at teh dual hold the money a bit like in the
old days where anybody with enough money to cover the bets might take
them. This sounds a bit like the activities of traders to me but hey
it's an idea. Unless of course you are planning to have this in the
big areana and have the goverments run it and therefore the betting.
Which case only the betters will make profit and no outside
indivduals. this would of course mean more work for the GM but he
could throw it at a willing indavidual!

just a ew ideas taht I came up with ! any responce??

o0o
  O
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Date: Thu, 18 May 95 15:33:14 BST
From: dean@memex.co.uk (Dean Burton)
Subject: Atlantis Duel

I think the DUEL order would  be very useful.  If you feel a unit has
wronged your faction a duel could be fought.

DUEL would allow a small fight to take place in an area controled by a large
army.

A matter of Honour could be resolved with this order.

No prize should be given just the 50% of goods (maybe 100%)

Dean B.