ATLANTISv2 atl-players-digest #79

From: csd@microplex.com (Christian Daudt)

Date: Fri, 02 Jun 1995 00:00:00 +0000

I thought I was going to get thousands of responses asking me
to keep this digest (maybe I just wanted to massage my ego ;-))
But I received enough responses, so I'll keep the digest going.
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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 95 09:47:21 PDT
From: "GDUNBAR.US.ORACLE.COM" <GDUNBAR@us.oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Calling Atlantis Police

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It's true articles are not sorted by faction number. The are semi-sorted
due to the way I've been doing things; however, in my opinion, they should
be ordered so that you can't figure out a faction's number. So they will
probably not even be semi-sorted sometime in the near future.

Geoff

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From:"J.P. Harvey" <owner-atl-players@tango.rahul.net>
To: All_Atlantis_Players,atl-players@tango.rahul.net
Subject: Re: Calling Atlantis Police
Cc: atlantis@rahul.net
Reply-to: owner-atl-players@tango.rahul.net

>> Is everyone sure that the Times articles are ordered by faction
>> number?
>
> Times Articles are NOT ordered by faction numbers. I`m faction number 93,
> and my articles are nearly always the last in the Times. Only articles from
> Major Hatred are placed below mine.
>
> Regards,
>
> The Legate,
> Dragon Legion(93).
>
That surprises me more than a little! Geoff, could you rule on this?

Jon.

aka Lord Viper and Lady Venom.

House Banshee of the DOMINION.

Email Address  : u3jph@csc.liv.ac.uk
World Wide Web : http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/users/u3jph/index.html
Atlantis WWW   : http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/users/u3jph/Atlantis/index.html

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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 18:47:37 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Jakob Eriksson <jakob_e@algonet.se>
Subject: Re: Fur production?

On Thu, 1 Jun 1995, Jonathan Roy wrote:

Sure there are... orchs... :)
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From: "D.J. McGaw" <u3djm@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Atlantis Design Hexes
Date: Thu,  1 Jun 1995 17:38:40 +0100 (BST)

>>
>>> It sure would be nice to get a feel for the terrain and any major features
>>> of the area that you pass through.
>>>
>>> Perhaps you don't see who is there, but you surely should get the info
>>> about the hex and its exits. This would make good scouting sense.
>>>
>>> From: Dean Burton <dean@memex.co.uk>
>>> >It would be logical for you turn report to detail all the hexes that you
>>> >moved through.  Possibly this would not tell you what other units where
>>> >there but at least the terrain type.
>>>
>>I think that one should get some sort of report on the land moved
>>through.  Like "Sir Lancelot rides from (24,24) through swamp to
>>(26,24)".  The rest of the information would be harder to come by
>>without stopping.  But then, if you move 2 hexes you can tell what
>>you moved through by looking at the exits from your new location.
>>
>
> What about if you fly should you be able to se more than 1 hex.
>
>

Sorry to mention this folks, but this question was asked and answered in the
4th and 5th turns of the game (April to May Year 1).

It does seem logical to know the regions you pass through, as many people
pointed out, including myself, but just assume that they (the units) are affected
by the areas and are too exhausted to bother about what they went through to
get where they were going.

I know it's a silly supposition, but maybe a bit better than assuming they
close their eyes as they travel from hex to hex.

If enough people cry out the the Almighty One, he may add a bit (well probablya bit more than a bit) of code to do this, but in the meantime, just let it
go!

Regards

Dave

PS ANYONE WHO FLAMES AND SPAMMS ME FOR THIS WITH GET LIKEWISE IN RETURN. I AM
SIMPLY EXPRESSING A VIEW THAT HAS DAWNED ON ME SINCE THE GAME BEGAN AND I
HAVEALREADY ASKED FOR THIS IDEA TO BE IMPLEMENTED. IF THIS HAS CHANGED SINCE THE LAST TIME I MOVED, FINE! I'VE BEEN SHOT DOWN, BUT IN THE MEANTIME LEAVE ME
OUTTA THIS CONVERSATION!
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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:52:36 +0200
From: "Michael O. Akinde" <strategy@kom.auc.dk>
Subject: Re: Calling Atlantis Police

> >> Is everyone sure that the Times articles are ordered by faction
> >> number?
> > Times Articles are NOT ordered by faction numbers. I`m faction number 93,
> > and my articles are nearly always the last in the Times. Only articles from
> > Major Hatred are placed below mine.
> > Regards,
> > The Legate,
> > Dragon Legion(93).
> That surprises me more than a little! Geoff, could you rule on this?
>
> Jon.
>
> aka Lord Viper and Lady Venom.
>
> House Banshee of the DOMINION.
>
> Email Address  : u3jph@csc.liv.ac.uk
> World Wide Web : http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/users/u3jph/index.html
> Atlantis WWW   : http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/users/u3jph/Atlantis/index.html

That is the way it is. I think Geoff didn`t want anybody to be able to
calculate who contributors are, since Times submissions ARE supposed to
be able to be anonymous.

Maybe he uses some kinky sort routine?

Regards,

The Legate.
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From: chris@cwatts.dungeon.com (Christopher Watts)
Subject: Atlantis horse question
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:37:48 LOCAL

Hi,

I was wondering what is the demand for horses in Atlantis City like? If I try and buy one, will
I definitely get it ?

Thanks Chris
Faction 740: The Knights who say Ni
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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 15:57:42 -0500
From: Doug Thayer <thayer@sangamon.edu>
Subject:       Re: Calling Atlantis Police

from the pen of the Dragon Legion:
>Times Articles are NOT ordered by faction numbers. I`m faction number 93,
>and my articles are nearly always the last in the Times. Only articles from
>Major Hatred are placed below mine.

Times articles *are* sorted by faction numbers, but they are not sorted
numerically.  Effectively, each digit is compared separately, with blanks
having the highest precedence, so that times articles appear in the
following order:

faction 1
"       10
       	11
	...
	2
	20
	21
	...

Thus, faction 97 (Mayor Hatred) always appears after faction 93 (Dragon
Legion).  Once faction numbers 930 and above make their appearance, they
will follow the dragon legions articles in the times.

Monzon Wood Exchange(289)
thayer@sangamon.edu

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Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 19:52:28 -0700
From: bonder@earthlink.net (Bruce Onder)
Subject: Re: Calling Atlantis Police

>from the pen of the Dragon Legion:
>Times articles *are* sorted by faction numbers, but they are not sorted
>numerically.  Effectively, each digit is compared separately, with blanks
>having the highest precedence, so that times articles appear in the
>following order:

[supporting info deleted]

I was going to ask if it was being sorted by ascii.  Good eye!

Bruce

Bruce Onder           | But the hip hop and the white funk
Digital Arcana        | just blew away my puppy's mind
bonder@earthlink.net  | I don't understand what you did to my dog
70703,2711            | Youth culture killed my dog

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From: "McKinnon, Derek" <McKinnD@rckcrm003.prose.dpi.qld.gov.au>
Subject: Guards
Date: Fri, 02 Jun 95 13:14:00 :00

I'm only new to the game, but  I have a suggestion that may bring more
realism to the game.  A concern I have is that after finally getting a
leader or mage to a very high level, it is still possible for someone to
sneak in and assassinate them, without any real hassels.

Now, I'm not against assassination, I'll probably make use of it myself.
 But any leader worth assassinating would also be worth a bit of protection
by the side who owns him/her.

Thus my suggestion is for a protect order. The units carrying out the
protect order (hereafter called the guards) will have the job of protecting
the other unit (normally a leader).

The guards will not be able to do any month long activities (ie working,
producing etc)  but will automatically move with the leader if the leader
moves.  I propose the affect of the guards to be twofold.

1) In any assassination attempt, the guard unit is considered combined with
the leader. The assassination would still occur, but the person assassinated
would be randomly chosen.  Thus the odds on assassinating the leader would
be dependent on how many guards you had, but there would probably have to be
some sort of limit on numbers.

2) In a battle situation, any melee (non-missile) attack on the leader,
would have a certain probability of instead being conducted against his
guards.  The probability would depend on things such as the leader having a
horse, the guards having horses, the leader being set behind the flag, etc.

One thing I wouldn't like to this order to do would be to make
assassinations impossible.  Other things would also have to be sorted out,
can the guards fight as effectively in combat, and the like, but that's what
this discussion board is for.

If you have an opinion on this, tell us what you think.

Derek McKinnon.  Faction 789.

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Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 13:21:18 +1000 (EST)
From: Vaughan Latimer <vlatimer@hilbert.maths.utas.edu.au>
Subject: Re: Kermit the Scout

Where the hell is he scouting. He's been in the same city for two turns
with no intentions of moving.

BUT, he is going to set up a mage college soon for teaching up to level 5!

Is there an imposter in the area?!

Kermit.

On Wed, 31 May 1995, J.P. Harvey wrote:

> Hey Kermit - someone with higher OBS than your STE spotted you scouting and
> took a photo! It's on my web-page in the submissions directory ;-)
>
> Jon.
>
> Email Address  : u3jph@csc.liv.ac.uk
> World Wide Web : http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/users/u3jph/index.html
> Atlantis WWW   : http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/users/u3jph/Atlantis/index.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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From: "Adam Waters" <swater@glob.glob.com>
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 21:51:30 -0700
Subject: Don't be silly now...

> People in Yakleks too I warn of Kermit.

Don't you feel even a little bit silly
	screaming bloody murder over a frog?

Take it from me, the sky ain't fallin...  ;)

Beedofast

Adam Waters
swater@glob.com    		[My garbanzo bean,]
(415) 329-9619           	[is your chick pea]

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From: chris@cwatts.dungeon.com (Christopher Watts)
Subject: Atlantis: horse question
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 22:54:20 LOCAL

Hi,

I was wondering what is the demand for horses in Atlantis City like? If I try and buy one, will
I definitely get it ?

Thanks Chris
Faction 740: The Knights who say Ni

PS : Apologies if this has come through twice for you.
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Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 01:34:47 -0400
From: ELRICK24@aol.com
Subject: Atlantis

Plaease remove me from list
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Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:03:33 +0200
From: "Michael O. Akinde" <strategy@kom.auc.dk>
Subject: Re: Guards

> I'm only new to the game, but  I have a suggestion that may bring more
> realism to the game.  A concern I have is that after finally getting a
> leader or mage to a very high level, it is still possible for someone to
> sneak in and assassinate them, without any real hassels.
>
> Now, I'm not against assassination, I'll probably make use of it myself.
>  But any leader worth assassinating would also be worth a bit of protection
> by the side who owns him/her.
>
> Thus my suggestion is for a protect order. The units carrying out the
> protect order (hereafter called the guards) will have the job of protecting
> the other unit (normally a leader).

Since STE 5 characters can never succeed in the assasination of characters
in the same area with allied OBS 5 characters (at least I haven`t seen or
heard anything to disprove this, yet) then what`s the need?

Regards,

The Legate
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From: Lewis Haddow <9235367@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
Date:          Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:32:05 +0000
Subject:       Re: Fur production?

>
> Can you hunt in any territory, or must "fur" be on the list of
> producable goods? I'm in the land of no forests as far as the eye can
> see, which negates the Nature foundation, it seems, and might
> limit my ability to have fun with hunting.
>
>
I've yet to see fur in any hex description.  Or horses for that
matter.  But then I've never been to any forest or plains.
LH
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From: Lewis Haddow <9235367@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
Date:          Thu, 1 Jun 1995 16:48:30 +0000
Subject:       atl: maps

Could anyone give me the web address of an Atlantis map other than
Anthony Chow's?
Thanks
LH