BSE Digest v195 #207 From: kerry@freeside.fc.net (Kerry Harrison) Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 00:00:00 +0000 BSE Digest Thursday, 1 June 1995 Volume 195 : Number 207 Welcome to the BSE Digest, the place to discuss all the myriad aspects of life Beyond the Stellar Empire with other denizens of the Greater Periphery. In this issue: + Re: BSE: QSN OOC Statement + Re: BSE: Thanks...alot! + Re: BSE: Re: WCE 'Honor', if you'll pardon the expression... + Re: BSE: Thanks...alot! + Re: BSE: QSN OOC Statement + Re: BSE Digest V195 #202 + Re: BSE: Damage + Poker + Power + Re: BSE: FET Attack? + Re: BSE: Thanks...alot! + Re: BSE: Thanks...alot! + Who's Who + Question + Re: BSE: Damage + Rlo & IND Werth + Re: BSE: Damage + BSE: FET Attack? 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Kevin ------------------------------ From: "Hendrick,Bill;=9462771" <BHENDRICK@kean.ucs.mun.ca> Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 20:59:35 +0200 (IST) Subject: Re: BSE: Thanks...alot! You know Den of Earth I find it very interesting that you share the same email server as Mr. Tamen. I know it is a common email server, however I also find it strange that your messages to this list were sent app. the same time as Mr. Tamen's. I find very interesting that while Mr. Tamen has posted 2 days in a row the message he forwards is a week old and in this same week you were 'away'. This is fine with me. It is none of business. However, slipping me false information of who is behind is. I am not your agent. Ens. Hughes MYR Sniff On Wed, 31 May 1995 MTamen@aol.com wrote: > ooc- > > I am going to break one of my own rules for this one. > 1. To everyone that spoke to me nicely about my GP and > agent stuff, Thanks. > 2. To everyone else...I would like to point out that > NOWHERE in either the QSN profile or their > Market Message does it state that I could not > have a GP or Agent at their starport(s)! > > Considering how kind the QSN have been I think I will > just sell the information to the FGZ! > > Mark > ------------------------------ From: Kevin Curnutt <kcurnutt@metronet.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 18:42:02 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Re: WCE 'Honor', if you'll pardon the expression... On 31 May 1995, Derek Smith wrote: > Response to Anton Blanchard (Kevin Curnutt <kcurnutt@metronet.com>) > > >Sir, > > The name is Robin, blind man. Robin Haldane, SMS Stormwolf. Don't > call me "sir." (Actually, it's officially "Robyn", but I always > thought that was hokey.) Robin Haldane, SMS Stormwolf, The address Sir was meant as a polite honorific. Are you familiar the term "polite"? I suggest you go take a cold shower. Anton Blanchard ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 17:08:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Thanks...alot! On Wed, 31 May 1995 MTamen@aol.com wrote: > ooc- > > I am going to break one of my own rules for this one. > 1. To everyone that spoke to me nicely about my GP and > agent stuff, Thanks. > 2. To everyone else...I would like to point out that > NOWHERE in either the QSN profile or their > Market Message does it state that I could not > have a GP or Agent at their starport(s)! > > Considering how kind the QSN have been I think I will > just sell the information to the FGZ! > > Mark > ooc Don't whine about it. You just admitted to getting info on a QSN colony. You must mean the blackmarket report on a non-exsistent market. The FGZ will really want that info. Hmm or could it be something else. Let see. The QSN have a policy of no unauthorized ships landing at Unitredd. Ask Steve Mathews if you don't believe me and he had permission. Further, we did not act until we got agent activity. What right do you have to complain? Richard ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 17:20:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: QSN OOC Statement On Wed, 31 May 1995, Kevin Curnutt wrote: > > On Wed, 31 May 1995, Richard William Chiang wrote: > > > You might be right Chip. To be honest, I am not so sure of WCE peaceful > > intentions. You may feel that way, but certain factions of your > > affliation seem to feel differently. Please understand we also hear lots > > of rumors and when some of them come true, then they make the others seem > > all the more likely. I would point out that setting up situations where > > hostile incidents might occur will not aid the peace process. > > > > Richard > > Richard, > > Most, if not all, members of the WCE would like peace. I sure > would. But if the QSN pushes for war, we won't back down. Don't > confuse wanting peace with not being ready. > > Kevin > > Kevin, I don't really know you so I will just assume you are telling the truth. The point of my statement was that targeting QSN ships with blockades where traffic is likely is throwing gasoline on a roaring fire. I applaud the WCE for maintaining a strong defense. I recommend it highly to everyone I know. But please remember the QSN did not attack anyone first. A little courtesy (ie prior notice) would have defused the situation nicely. Please notice a warfleet didn't come in to Tought Ugo. If we were really concerned with war, we would have come in with a fleet. The QSN has made some decisions. Personally I would like to avoid war as there is nothing I particulary want or need (I am having enough fun with Viking). But please don't expect others to take attacks lying down. Richard ------------------------------ From: info@qccs-net.com Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 18:17:53 -0700 Subject: Re: BSE Digest V195 #202 unsubscribe bill hopkins ------------------------------ From: VirHorizon@aol.com Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 21:31:38 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Damage >Fat-Boy changed it so that crew & repairbots could not repair hulls a while >back. whether this has been change or not is still in question. >Anybody used repairbots to repair hulls since RTG took over? > >Thad, is the no hull repair by crew&repairbots still in effect? > > >Paul Ellis > > I am really beginning to have a problem with having to second guess whether or not the rules that I have are in effect and if not what the differences are. How am I suppose to play the game well if I don't know the rules? I certainly hope RTG gets everything running smoothly soon. David B. ------------------------------ From: RFN2@aol.com Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 21:35:25 -0400 Subject: Poker Gentleman; Thanks for the fun the other night. I realized that the Araldo just wasn't enough for "Guido's gals"; maybe a little heaven herb for the rest of us next time. A question: "what was the funniest thing that happened?" For me it's a toss up: a) Seeing Noa hit his head as he exited Guido's Yact -Still havn't gotten used to that low clearence have you my boy? Too much time in your labs. b)Watching Guido huff it in from where the public transport dropped him off at Canton. I'd like to thank Zed for slouching (you must have practiced!); now we'll have to do something about that humming -battle hyms just arn't my thing. Hey Horst, nice ass! And a special thanks to Sun Tzu for his tight lips, but you gotta loosen up those purse strings, buddy. I'll have a copy of Miyamoto's "Sixth Ring" sent over to ya; yeah, it's about 150 years old but the book still is very relevant; and a decendant of his is one of our colony Ministers right now - I'll see what I can do - the battle yell described in chapter four, I believe, is something you'd benefit from. I gotta go clean up the place. Good thing Lord O'Hare is busy counting his winnings or he'd kill me for this one -it looks like my nephew Julie's apartment after one of her all-night-with-the-girls-parties. Yeah, a good time - I don't even remember leaking the info on the top secret FET Energizer Blow Bunnies research project -but I've sure been catching Hell for it though. Oh, one last favor, the next time I put the title for the colony Hedion on the table - don't call up the STC for a credit check, OK? Hey, where are we next month? Now, where the Hell did I put my shirt? Have fun; BlackJack ------------------------------ From: RFN2@aol.com Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 21:41:51 -0400 Subject: Power General Question: Can Power be picked up at a colony and carried to another, by a starship? Much thanks - Rob ------------------------------ From: RFN2@aol.com Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 21:59:23 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: FET Attack? For those interested: There was no IND Atlantis at the colony. The FET is the "original owner" -your term- of the colony Never Here, on Teran-Zei. Look it up under "Kiss". Lord Den of Earth: you'll have your reply directly - and soon. PS: whats behind door number one? <G> BlackJack ------------------------------ From: tandmb@sierra.net (Tony & Marcia Baldacci) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 19:06:51 +0000 Subject: Re: BSE: Thanks...alot! >You know Den of Earth I find it very interesting that you share the same >email server as Mr. Tamen. I know it is a common email server, however I >also find it strange that your messages to this list were sent app. the >same time as Mr. Tamen's. - ---snip--- (completely OOC:) FWIW, Bill Clinton has an Email address on AOL also. Did you ever notice you've never seen him and Jack photographed together? Mighty suspicious, that. ** Famous Last Words #17: "Dammit, this thing won't die!" ** ------------------------------ From: tandmb@sierra.net (Tony & Marcia Baldacci) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 19:09:37 +0000 Subject: Re: BSE: Thanks...alot! >ooc > >Don't whine about it. You just admitted to getting info on a QSN >colony. You must mean the blackmarket report on a non-exsistent market. >The FGZ will really want that info. Hmm or could it be something else. >Let see. The QSN have a policy of no unauthorized ships landing at >Unitredd. Ask Steve Mathews if you don't believe me and he had >permission. Further, we did not act until we got agent activity. What >right do you have to complain? Also OOC: For what it's worth, it must have been awfully frustrating not being allowed to shoot at my (at the time) TRN vessel when I committed the heinous crime of orbiting a planet that just _happened_ to have a QSN colony on it. Does the QSN have a policy of not allowing people to orbit planets >>>in Imperial space<<< as well? ** Famous Last Words #17: "Dammit, this thing won't die!" ** ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@freeside.fc.net> Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 21:10:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Who's Who [note: this is the last one of these I'm doing] Beyond the Stellar Empire (BSE) List/Digest Members Active US Players (RTG Version) - ------------------------------- 75013.1054@compuserve.com AIS Master Control Unit (AIS PD) wayne.alexander@mercopus.com Wayne Alexander (EEM PD) gtt-pd@consensus.com Chris Allen (GTT PD) 74642.2475@compuserve.com Jason Arnold (FGZ) virhorizon@aol.com David Baker (WCE) tandmb@sierra.net Tony Baldacci (FGZ) rboggs@isisph.com Russ Boggs (IND) riplord@aol.com Neil Bradley (RIP PD) btb4@lehigh.edu Brad Braun (USS) philip.breault@com2bbs.com Phil Breault (EEM) law2be@aol.com Rick Burningham (SMS) ccharnle@m-net148.arbornet.org Chip Charnley (WCE) richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu Richard Chiang (QSN) v176@rex.uokhsc.edu Todd Clapp (ICN PD) cojran@ucsub.colorado.edu Mike Cofran (AFT) bill_combs@ccm.jf.intel.com Bill Combs (AFT) prothorax@aol.com Dave Cromer (WSP PD) kcurnutt@metronet.com Kevin Curnutt (WCE) harryflash@aol.com Steve DeSante (WCE) scragg@infi.net Joe Eckhout (RIP) pelliscaz@aol.com Paul Ellis (AFT) timenright@aol.com Tim Enright (WCE) lordzefir@aol.com Gene Ferguson (EKN) jackmyster@aol.com Jack Ferguson (FGZ PD) noakrieger@aol.com Jim Gagliardi (EEM) jgof4p1@s1.csc.peachnet.edu Jason Goff (SSL PD) regstu@sun.cc.westga.edu Richard Gurley (MYR) gstarrh@umich.edu George Hammond (USS) kerry@fc.net Kerry Harrison (KZK PD) zu02380@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu Alan Hatcher (AFT) bhendrick@kean.ucs.mun.ca Bill Hendrick (MYR) henry4633@aol.com Peter Henry (QSN) 74103.375@compuserve.com Jerry Holmes (WCE) bhopkins@teleport.com Bill Hopkins (WCE) * 72570.650@compuserve.com Jay Ibbitson (EKN PD) 76170.2705@compuserve.com Dave Isaac (AFT) michael.keane@maf.nasa.gov Mike Keane (FOE) * ron.kleinman@eng.sun.com Ron Kleinman (QSN) tandmb@sierra.net Josh Knapp (WCE) pkrauskopf@falcon.al.wpafb.af.mil Phil Krauskopf (WCE PD) 73240.2556@compuserve.com Carl Linquist (USS PD) vlloyd@infomail.com Vickie Lloyd (EEM) rogue616@aol.com Jim Louderback (FET) 76311.2317@compuserve.com Richard Loutzenheiser (SAM) 74551.3412@compuserve.com Chris Makowski (FGZ) paulmans@tmn.com Paul Mansfield (WCE) 76422.3260@compuserve.com Roger Markle (AFT) stephmarte@aol.com Steve Marte (WCE) ludendorf@delphi.com Steve Mathews (ISP PD) chazz@cais.com Charles Meredith (WCE) sbach11@aol.com Steve Messer (IND) cmiddlet@ssbpost.env.gov.bc.ca Charles Middleton (SMS) monsons@hooked.com Gordon Monson (FGZ) 72073.1602@compuserve.com Joe Moreno (AFT) rfn2@aol.com Rob Neal (FET PD) grendle@mindspring.com Bill Peltier (USS) cyberdragon@fquest.com Richard Persky (FOE) * 70511.64@compuserve.com Don Pierce (SAM PD) fk490@cleveland.freenet.edu Paul Postak (USS) record_doug@tandem.com Doug Record (AFT) 72632.2104@compuserve.com Kenneth Reeves (KZK) * dougmr@aol.com Vernon Rothrock (ROC) 75477.1627@compuserve.com Shannon Rundquist (MYR PD) 71001.426@compuserve.com Joe Sanchez (WCE) pauls@realm.net Paul Schneider (WCE) wsenke@sonalysts.com William Senke (MYR) * 73477.3213@compuserve.com Mike Shepard (SAM) derek_smith.lotus@crd.lotus.com Derek Smith (SMS) 74023.574@compuserve.com Richard Smith (MYR) * jstanton@qualcomm.com John Stanton (SMS) jeffstout@aol.com Jeff Stout (ZCS PD) mtamen@aol.com Mark Tamen (IND) tyrrell@netcom.com Patrick Tyrrell (ICN) wamp@indy.net Doug Wampler (SMS PD) marilith1@aol.com Wade Wheaton (FOE) ziemer@mcs.com Eric Ziemer (QSN) Active UK Players (KJC Version) - ------------------------------- rboggs@isisph.com Russ Boggs (DOM) mbuckle@delphi.com Mark Buckle (DOM PD) bcd@pvv.unit.no Bent Dalager (SMS) cezton@nvg.unit.no Kjetil Friden (IMP) * larssto@alkymi.unit.no Lars Erik Stokka (SSL) GMs (either version) - -------------------- rtgthad@aol.com Thad Catone (RTG GM) 100412.2424@compuserve.com Kevin Cropper (KJC GM) rtgames@aol.com Pete Dorman (RTG GM) Others - ------ alb@cwa.com Anders Beitness bmo627@freenet.mb.ca Basil Daoust jce@icon.net Jim Elliott ni0e@netcom.com Mike Fatchett 71552.3003@compuserve.com Geoff Hanna mhughes@pms144.pms.ford.com Mark Hughes dragon_star@delphi.com Allen Hunter tim@antsnest.demon.co.uk Tim Lomas dalepenn@hiwaay.net Dale Pennington walt@solgrp.chi.il.us Walt Pesch pyrich@cris.com John Pyrich e.shchneider@genie.geis.com Eric Schneider 100437.3137@compuserve.com Hendrik Siegeln csc2bds@cabell.vcu.edu Ben Swain mylesend@aol.com Matt Teets keithver@aol.com Keith Verret mike_williams@pc.radian.com Mike Williams aubreyy390@aol.com Jack Young Notes: * - Active BSE Player, but not subscribed to the BSE List or BSE Digest. ------------------------------ From: tandmb@sierra.net (Tony & Marcia Baldacci) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 19:18:32 +0000 Subject: Question OOC: Just so I have some idea, would anyone mind explaining to me their version of what's currently going on between WCE/FGZ/QSN, etc.? I feel so much better when I have something to talk about (besides flaming people on the "other side" - grin) & have a fair idea what's going on. Thanks in advance - Tony B. ** Famous Last Words #24: "Whaddaya mean, a pentagram has FIVE sides?" ** ------------------------------ From: Paul Schneider <pauls@realm.net> Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 19:15:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Damage On Wed, 31 May 1995 VirHorizon@aol.com wrote: > "It is possible to repair damage in two ways. First, you can visit a colony > starport and purchase repair from a REPAIR COMPLEX....... > The second way is to use your own resources to perfom the repair. CREW and > REPAIRBOTS are used to perform repair. Each CREW member repairs 1 MU and > each REPAIRBOT repairs 3 MU's per 10 TU's spent on repairs....." > > Maybe you and I have two different versions or there is a major screwup > somewhere. I have version 5.0[5/1/95]. > > David B. > Hmm. The copy I have under "Repairing Damage" quite clearly says that CREW and REPAIRBOTS cannot be used to repair damaged hulls. This is the last line in that section, right above Starship Maintaince. Perhaps I have a "bad" copy. Paul ------------------------------ From: wayne.alexander@mercopus.com (Wayne Alexander) Date: Wed, 31 May 95 23:46:00 -0500 Subject: Rlo & IND Werth Rlo Krieger running IND Werth....uhmmm, that's an interesting idea. It would surely regain some of its notorious luster with a scalawag like Rlo running it. Oh, by the way, Blackjack, I didn't much care for the idea of being frisked before entering your mansion for the game, but that tall brunette can reach in my pocket again anytime...(nudge nudge) Stu Krieger - --- . QMPro 1.53 . EEM: Shipwrights to the Stars for over 180 years! - ---- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Mercury Opus BBS - St. Petersburg, Florida, USA - +1-813-321-0734 | | 2000 Conferences - 100,000 Files - One of America's Top 100 BBS Systems | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 01:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Damage > Hmm. The New Rules in the chapter on Starships, say specifically that hull > dmamage can only be repaired by Repair complexes. I figured this change was > going in with the new rules. If not, then Thad needs to fix the rules. Paul, In the electronic version, in the section titled "Repairing Damage", last paragraph: "The second way is to use your own resources to perform repair. Crew and repairbots are used to perform repair. Each crew member repairs 1 mu and each repairbot repairs 3 mu's per 10 TU's spent on repairs. Using this repair method you may only perform repair on your own position...." The last line says they can't repair hulls, but RTG allows it right now. This may change on the 6-15 changeover. Steve ------------------------------ From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 01:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: BSE: FET Attack? > (OOC to Steve Matthews: What is the policy (Imperial Law #27) reguarding > ships that scout a colonies defenses? Law #27 refers to agent activity and posting of the affiliation which creates the agent. > Does Imperial mean Imperial services _only_ or does it include > Imperially chartered companies? In this case, it refers to IMP services only. > What will be the Imperial response if an IND colony is captured by an > Imperial company in the Periphery? Depends. While IMP is bound by by Law #15 to defend IND colonies, There is a clause in the law: " Company postings will be approved if just cause can be shown." which removes IMP protection in certain cases. To date, no such request has been made. > If the Imperials are not going to protect IND's like the Imperial > companies and protected races, would you allow me to join the FGZ or do I > have to join the SSL [the original owner of this colony]? Sorry so many > questions, but this is my first colony. Thanx.)" What you do is up to you. It's your colony. Only be prepared to accept the consequences if you make a bad choice. I should point out again that the IMP will protect IND's, just as the companies and protected races. But so far, the only thing i've seen in regards to an attack has been right here, and that's not proof. Here's an example: A massive fleet of over 100 RIP Corsairs attcked, this week ISP Jax. They were repulsed with heavy losses. Did this battle happen? No. Point is, anyone can write anything here, so it doesn't cut it for proof. If you want an ISP ship to come out and investigate, i'll send one. But from what I read here, it won't find anything when it gets there. If you want me to take it one step further, first send me proof. While I run the ISP and enforce the laws, EVERYONE is innocent till proven guilty. I won't even attack the player who attacked Samms so long as I can't prove that his other postions are linked to his ship I captured. Steve Mathews ------------------------------ End of BSE Digest V195 #207 *************************** BSE Digest - All items Copyright (c) 1995, by their respective authors, permission is granted to redistribute as long as proper credit is given. To subscribe to BSE Digest, send the command: + subscribe bse-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@fc.net". 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