BSE Digest v195 #205 From: kerry@freeside.fc.net (Kerry Harrison) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 00:00:00 +0000 BSE Digest Wednesday, 31 May 1995 Volume 195 : Number 205 Welcome to the BSE Digest, the place to discuss all the myriad aspects of life Beyond the Stellar Empire with other denizens of the Greater Periphery. In this issue: + Re: BSE: QSN OOC Statement + Re: BSE: FGZ/WCE/WSP Attack + Re: BSE: FGZ/WCE/WSP Attack + Re: BSE: News Flash + Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 #203 + Re: BSE: Blockading Fleet + Re: BSE: Damage + KZK Threats + IND Never Here + Re: BSE: News Flash + Re: BSE OOC Response + FGZ 'Friends' + Undersea Base attack + Re: WCE 'Honor', if you'll pardon the expression... 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I fully admit that there may be holes the size of Mack > Trucks in this but that is the best I have been able to prove occured. Chip, The QSN did attack the WCE and the WCE have a right to be pissed about it. But the situation with the securitybots was not a small thing to the QSN. All we knew was that our securitybots were being reprogrammed which at the time was our main form of defense. Maybe the QSN should have tried to resolve the thing peacefully. As I was not QSN at the time, I will not apportion blame as to who failed to do what. I do know that wars are started over accidents. Since the "accident" happened to us, it would be very easy for others to just say don't worry about it. Like the WCE, the QSN is not the grand power of the IMP. Our situation is tenuous at times also. We also may overreact to things. I posted the OOC message to give people a better understanding of the QSN so others can deal more productively with us in the future. That was the sole purpose of the message. > > As a result, the WCE lost a major colony and there was never a > significant peace treaty put in place after the QSN fleet was destroyed. On > top of that the QSN publicly indicated an intent to invade the FGZ home > system. That was viewed as a declaration of war. This act was viewed as The QSN has never announced IC anything of the sort. Please look back to the postings. We have said we will take appropiate actions. As for the OOC stuff, if I listened to that or the rumors I heard, I would be at war with most of the game. You can choose to listen to that stuff, but please remember it is hard to show humor or idle threats over the net etc. > potentially destabilizing the Transhole and was an act against a group that > was fast becoming an ally. Once the Transhole Council was formed, any > attack/declaration against any member of the Council was viewed as an > attack/declaration on all. That fact was made public knowledge. If the QSN Not true Chip. I read the THC agreement. It says no such thing. If there is such a clause, it must be some secret agreement. The agreement does talk about taking things on a case by case basis, but that members are not obligated to defend each other. > All the above being said, I would truly like to see this confrontation > settled peacefully without further bloodshed. If you want to try to > accomplish this, please send me something privately IC on what you think it > would take. Keep in mind that the WCE still views itself on the losing side > of the ledger when it comes to assets taken/destroyed. Since the other > members of the THC have not really sustained much in physical losses, I > think they can be dealt with. It is the QSN/WCE resolution that I think will > prove troublesome. > You might be right Chip. To be honest, I am not so sure of WCE peaceful intentions. You may feel that way, but certain factions of your affliation seem to feel differently. Please understand we also hear lots of rumors and when some of them come true, then they make the others seem all the more likely. I would point out that setting up situations where hostile incidents might occur will not aid the peace process. Thanks, Richard ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 01:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: FGZ/WCE/WSP Attack On Tue, 30 May 1995, Chip Charnley wrote: > <snip> > There has been no declaration > >of war or official notice to the QSN. > > Excuse me but the QSN threatened the FGZ. The FGZ are part of the TransHole > Council. THe QSN started this. No declaration on our side was needed. > > Shannon Retief > Dear Mr. Retief, I am not sure where our displeasure with the FGZ is regarded as a declaration of war with the WCE. Our staff has read the THC agreement throughly and does not see a clause where hostilities with the FGZ constitute an attack with the WCE. Please point out the section so I can fire the staff member who has given me such bad advice. Lord Anton Qutroh ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 01:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: FGZ/WCE/WSP Attack On Tue, 30 May 1995 PROTHORAX@aol.com wrote: > QSN rittor(dog), > The WaSP made a statement that 3 fleets were seen leaving the Balibus > system! You were warned. As for bully, for 3+ years QSN you did what you > wanted to us weak races in the transhole and we now say NO MORE RITTOR! The > WaSP would rather die then take your boot in the face again! > It seems the chains of slavery that you creatures once wore has faded from > your memory. Have you forgotten what it is like to fight for your survival > against supperior AFF? Then ask yourself creature how could you activitly > seek to destroy groups who were weaker then you? Was it for sport? Or to test > your new weopens of mass terror? > > JANUS PROTHORAX > Prothorax, The QSN recognize the right of every race for self-determination. We have no goal of destroying any sentient race. QSN reaction and intentions lie towards self-preservation and resolution of preceived insults. I initially welcomed you to bring up any events that you were disatisfied with our actions and told you I would help resolve them several months ago. Since then, we have resolved one problem. You have publically stated grievances, but have not taken the opportunity to try to resolve them. That is your choice. You have chosen to take revenge instead. That is also your choice. But do not interprete our response as some attempt to supress your race. If you choose the sword, do not complain if you die by it. Lord Anton Qutroh ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 01:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: News Flash On Tue, 30 May 1995 pkrauskopf@falcon.al.wpafb.af.mil wrote: > Dateline Tough Ugo... > > The first Upper transhole warfleet, commanded by Admiral Hyperion > Rage, today caught an unarmed Quman merchantman trying to break teh > blockade around Tought Ugo. The Quman vessel Destructor, > commanded by yet another member of the ** UNNAMED ** family, was > blasted by a combination of WSP, FGZ, and WCE warships. The Quman > Merchantman, even though she began immediate maneuvering, blew in > all sections on the first round. No survivors were found among the > wreckage. in fact, no wreckage was found among the wreckage. > > Ty Meup reporting > Ringbone Independent News > Minister Robinson Vodqyn Governor of QSN Moria We were not aware of a blockade of Tought Ugo as none was publically announced. I ordered that Ensign to go on a standard affliation run to that world. It would have been nice to have had notification so we could have avoided this incident. If the WCE feel proud of killing off innocent crew and new starcaptain, I feel sorry. ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 01:35:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 #203 On Wed, 31 May 1995, Basil A. Daoust wrote: > Hello, > I am a new player and just wanted to say hello. > > I would also be interested to hear from all the PD that are linked to > this mode of Communication. Just a simple hello. > > Finally I would be interested in hearing some of you brag about what > your Companies have to offer. Now I don't mean to I get the biggest or > fasted ships and stuff. No what I mean is do you send out regular > communications. And what kind of support can a new cadet get from you! > > Basil > > I have attached a standard recruitment letter below. I hope you consider the QSN as we are strong and only getting stronger. As you can see, there is a lot of concern about the QSN currently. Don't pay too much attention to the rhetoric from them or us for that matter. The QSN is in an unique situation as we are the new upstart power and some people are having problems dealing with a new and powerful QSN. History marches on aand some have a problem accepting that. The QSN was not given a safe haven of space to start out in. What we have we carved out for ourselves. In the end it has only made up stronger as we understand and are used to dealing with adversity. Here comes the form letter. Richard I am with the QSN. We are probably the fastest growing affliation in all aspects. We started as a one player race that was just exploited for luxury goods by a certain affliation. Today, our empire spans across many star systems. We are based in our home system of Drell. No affliation could really bother us now. If you ask around, I think you will find that we are considered one of the stronger affliations. The QSN does not hoard its assets. We are kinda fat right now and are able to provide its players with all the assets they need. We are fairly tight knit group, but we allow a great freedom of action for our players. We do require each player to contribute 1 warship that we would build for you and you would not have to run it once it was set up except for a maintenace once a year and during wartime. We also occasionaly have affliation missions. These missions have all QSN players come together to do a specific task. For example, you would bring your freighters to help put down a colony. When we create a colony, we want the thing to be big within a month. Having lots of assets allow you to do all sorts of things. For example, if you have a small colony and want to build it up, we could provide you with all the materials you would need. If you could find poeple to haul the stuff there for you, the QSN would pay for the hauling. It would just be up to you to organize it. Tom Jackson is the PD for the QSN. He is great guy and very accessable. He is the reason the QSN have done as well as it has. If you joined the QSN, I would personally make sure that you get all the help you need to get started. We would provide you with all the game information you need to function effectively in the game. There are all sorts of missions. We have a list of exploration that needs to be done. We also have some colonies that need an active governor. All sorts of things could be done. My phone # is 510-644-3708. I would like to find out what you are interested in and can suggest more things based on that. I know that it sounds that the QSN has everything, but it is really true. Richard W. Chiang QSN BTW, we do not believe is starting you off in some dinky ship. As turn fees for large or small ships are the same, we rather you use a large ship. You would be more useful to the affliation that way as well as getting more bang for the buck. We have a new ship called the Cargo Master. It is over 10 times larger than any of the starting ships you will get. As we are a ship building race (in fact the premier ship building race), we are lucky in are ability to provide the best ships to all our players both old and new. ------------------------------ From: tandmb@sierra.net (Tony & Marcia Baldacci) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 01:54:25 +0000 Subject: Re: BSE: Blockading Fleet >>>From: PROTHORAX@aol.com >>>Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 11:35:59 -0400 >>>Subject: BSE: Bloackading Fleet (sic) > Thank you ProThyroid thing! This tag will be very useful to us in >determining which WASP ships participated in this latest atrocity, when the >time comes for the QSN to finally unleash its own dogs of war. Dear MerchantThing VanRijn; I was unaware that the QSN had succeeded in finally producing something from an unnatural union between urine-colored humanoids and duct-taped space hamsters. Or are they just cloned anorexic Chihuahuas? Naturally, we can buy them at Drell (for way too much stellars)...? (grin) ENS Kring ** Famous Last Words #17: "Dammit, this thing won't die!" ** ------------------------------ From: SBach11@aol.com Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 06:39:00 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Damage BSE- Creeping damage only makes sense. Difficult yes, but makes sense in terms of having to take care of your warships after a battle if you want to keep them. Otherwis just play them till they die if they can always carry the same amount of gear inside. And that doesn't make much sense. You would have to do 100% damage to a ship or its as good as new next week and can be rearmed easily. Sorry, toooo much of fleet combat advantage. As Ronk pointed out though, the present system just wont due either. We could either: 1... up the Repair complexes values. 2...put repair bots back into full effect 3...or do both...the increased Repair complexes would be able to service whole fleets (in fact the only thing that could) and repair bots can rescue individual ships. (like the Blue Whale) <g> Thad reads this board regularly and he'll take care of it. Good luck, Steve M. ------------------------------ From: PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AL.WPAFB.AF.MIL Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 08:19:02 -0400 Subject: KZK Threats ** Reply Requested by 2/7/2106 (Sunday) ** Kerry, Granted, the one message you sent was out of character. This one, though, is obviously in-character. And in it you say specifically that you have backers <g>. Touche' Phil K. PS-- The who, pray tell, might these unnamed backers be? Unnamed. Hmmm... Sounds like a famous family to me <g>. <== Joke Richard, not an accusation Date: 5/02/1995 11:06 am (Tuesday) From: AL.DDN."kerry@io.com" To: AL.CFH(pkrauskopf) Received: from pentagon.io.com by EAGLE.AL.WPAFB.AF.MIL (PMDF #12356) id <01HQ0X98JGF40000JI@EAGLE.AL.WPAFB.AF.MIL>; Tue, 2 May 1995 11:05 EST Received: by pentagon.io.com (8.6.12/PERFORMIX-0.9/08-16-92) id KAA29372; Tue, 2 May 1995 10:06:04 -0500 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII MIME-Version: 1.0 General Secertary Horst, The Kazereckii Central Command has been approached by a unnamed party with a proposed mercenary contract to take several WCE assets in the Capellan Periphery. We are still debating the merits of the contract and have not made a decision yet as to if we will accept it. If we do accept it we will give you two weeks notice to prepare your forces in the designated target zones. K'zk Kasrith-kazereckii ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 08:34:21 -0400 Subject: IND Never Here OOC- The following was sent by the Gov. of IND Never Here. "IND Atlantis (4735) is a Merchant man (unless some other ship type can carry 240 mu's in command). It was orbitting Teran-zei and scanned IND Never Here on week 16. It was not in orbit on week 17. Both IND Atlantis and FET Wyvern's Spur have been posted by the colony for scanning ground defenses (as per Imperial law 27 - unless by Imperial the law means Imperial services *and* companies, in which case the FET ship [but *not* the IND one] will be removed from the posted list).The ship's are suspected of working together to hide the FET's actions based on the fact that both scanned the ground defenses in the same week, and the 'attack' occured several weeks later (while both were being watched, per special action, by the colony)." Bests- J. P.S. In case you are wondering, I DO NOT control this colony, however, I've been in contact with the Gov. for quite sometime. I am not certain as to why he contacted Mark T. about this stuff before, but either way, I'll pass any requests or info. along to him. ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 08:37:41 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: News Flash Minister Robinson Vodqyn Governor of QSN Moria (My...the Quoomans certainly have a lot of "Ministers"...maybe that's the problem...too many chiefs and not enough indians..) Come over here Vodqyn...let me explain something to you, cause your obviously too stupid to figure it out for yourself. There is *no* such thing as "innocent crew" when there is a "war" going on! Have the Quoomans threaten to invade Mace... Yes or No? And try to answer with one of the above two words...only! Nomad1 ------------------------------ From: David Isaac <76170.2705@compuserve.com> Date: 31 May 95 08:45:15 EDT Subject: Re: BSE OOC Response Phil K. wrote >> If you knew me very well, you would know that I am very big about role-playing this game. Hell, I paid Wayne Alexander good stellars so that Otto Bongwater would defend me in my character's resignation from the AFT. Yep. Sorry Richard but you got him wrong. Dave Isaac ------------------------------ From: Michael.Keane@maf.nasa.gov Date: 31 May 95 08:30:50 -0600 Subject: FGZ 'Friends' On Mon, 29 May 1995 Jackmyster@aol.com posted: ><The KZK consider the QSN valued trading partners, nothing more. > >K'zk Kasrith-kazereckii> > >You mean Bed Partners...don't you? > >Nomad1 > If anyone knows about bug (SAM) Bed Partners it would be the FGZ. V'Ril T'Bak, Ruler FOE Target ------------------------------ From: Michael.Keane@maf.nasa.gov Date: 31 May 95 08:33:23 -0600 Subject: Undersea Base attack To: Adm. von Ludendorf From: V'Ril T'Bak By now you should be aware of the attack and total destruction of the IMP GP Recon Platoon/3RD AR (3240). You know the defenses that have been built. I have been allowed to repeat our offer to withdraw FOE troops from Hammerfest. You and von Monts have rejected such offers in the past, but I remain hopeful. We will not be able to restrain the Celtians from counter-attacking if you attack Undersea Base again. There is no need to sacrifice more lives (even if they are only human). Think hard and die well. ------------------------------ From: Derek Smith <Derek_Smith.LOTUS@crd.lotus.com> Date: 31 May 95 10:27:11 EDT Subject: Re: WCE 'Honor', if you'll pardon the expression... Response to Anton Blanchard (Kevin Curnutt <kcurnutt@metronet.com>) >Sir, The name is Robin, blind man. Robin Haldane, SMS Stormwolf. Don't call me "sir." (Actually, it's officially "Robyn", but I always thought that was hokey.) >You can insult me all you like; Thank you. That's very big of you. I will. >I really don't care what you think. THEN YOU WOULD NOT HAVE RESPONDED. >You do, however, show what side of the fence the SMS is on, >despite the talk of the SMS wanting peace. You also show your >lack of class. Actually, the SMS DOES want peace. It was members of MY family (mostly my uncle, Finvarra McCabe, information Coordinator) that ran up an embarrassing expense report on hyperwave communications trying to talk the QSN *out* of this. And, for that matter, trying to talk the FGZ *out* of this. Then you slime in the WCE come in and attack the SMS?!?! Thank you very much, but don't talk to me or anyone else about peace, you have nary a clue as to what it means. In fact, as far as peace goes: You couldn't get a clue during the clue mating season in a field full of horny clues if you smeared your body with clue musk and did the clue mating dance. The same goes for "class." Now - as far as showing "what side of the fence the SMS is on" Two things: 1) I do not speak for the SMS, but my opinions do represent those of the clans Haldane, McCabe, and MacRorie. I do not presume to speak for the O'Gradys, but I rather think that your stock is definitely bearish with them as well. I don't know (nor care much) what the Crofts think, and the McKenzies have been concentrating on the RIP and I haven't bothered them for an opinion. You wan't to know what the SMS wants, talk to the PD and the Coordinators. I'm just telling you what many SMS Colony Governors and Star Captains THINK OF YOU. 2) It doesn't matter what you do from here on out. The Haldanes, McCabes, and MacRories hate you like poison. You may find that unhealthy. >Anton Blanchard, WCE Scaflock Robin Haldane, SMS Stormwolf ------------------------------ End of BSE Digest V195 #205 *************************** BSE Digest - All items Copyright (c) 1995, by their respective authors, permission is granted to redistribute as long as proper credit is given. To subscribe to BSE Digest, send the command: + subscribe bse-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@fc.net". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "bse@domain.net": + subscribe bse-digest bse@domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "bse-digest" in the commands above with "bse-list". An archive of BSE Digest back issues are available via anonymous ftp <ftp://ftp.io.com/pub/usr/kerry/BSE/Digests>. Up