BSE Digest v195 #203 From: kerry@freeside.fc.net (Kerry Harrison) Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 00:00:00 +0000 BSE Digest Tuesday, 30 May 1995 Volume 195 : Number 203 Welcome to the BSE Digest, the place to discuss all the myriad aspects of life Beyond the Stellar Empire with other denizens of the Greater Periphery. In this issue: + Re: BSE: Masive repairs to large ships + Re: BSE: Damage + Re: BSE: WCE Honor + Visiting Canton + Re: BSE: WCE Honor + FGZ/WCE/WSP Attack + Re: BSE: QSN OOC Statement + Re: BSE: Blockading Fleet + Battle at ICN Samms + Re: BSE: FGZ/WCE/WSP Attack + Re: BSE: Drones + Re: BSE: FGZ/WCE/WSP Attack See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the bse-list or bse-digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: btb4@lehigh.edu (B T Braun) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 16:35:29 EDT Subject: Re: BSE: Masive repairs to large ships Ron, Hmm, the "repairs" would seem to require more than would replacement. Given the requisite huge numbers of MUs for 60 complexes, there ought to be a way to swap in intact hulls at much less cost. If hulls can be "pasted" to hulls for upgrades, and reclaimed from decommissioned ships, why the huge expense of repairs? Be seeing you, Brad Braun btb4@lehigh.edu ///////////////////*********************************************\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ USS: Sheepwrights to the stars since 186. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------ From: Law2Be@aol.com Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 16:47:57 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Damage Excuse me, but SMS Canton (4990) has 18 repair complexes to facilitate major repairs quickly. Our location also provides a more secure location for damaged vessels to return safely, as the Capellan system is guarded a bit more than most. That is not to say it is not without some risk, as RIP ships can, and do, venture in to conduct attacks. For those starcaptains that have yet to visit Canton, please do so to find our market extensive, and complexes comprehensive. We also feature 'ANTIQUE GROUND VEHICLE RACING'. We will be constructing a super-speedway (colleseum) in the future to make this sport even more enjoyable. Wang Chung, Sun Tzu SMS Canton ------------------------------ From: Kevin Curnutt <kcurnutt@metronet.com> Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 16:06:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BSE: WCE Honor On Sun, 28 May 1995, Richard William Chiang wrote: > Since RTG took over, no QSN position has fired upon a WCE or FGZ position > of any sort in the Transhole. On the other hand, QSN positions have been > attacked many times from both those parties. We have excercised > restrainst up to now. Richard, I believe a QSN SoL fired upon the joint WCE/FGZ fleet in Porkomo at the Stargate incident. Btw, don't bother to tell me the SoL was just protecting the Stargate. Whatever the reason, it fired on WCE ships in WCE space. Kevin ------------------------------ From: "Hendrick,Bill;=9462771" <BHENDRICK@kean.ucs.mun.ca> Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 18:59:05 +0200 (IST) Subject: Visiting Canton [deleted] For those starcaptains that have > yet to visit Canton, please do so to find our market extensive, and complexes > comprehensive. We also feature 'ANTIQUE GROUND VEHICLE RACING'. We will be > constructing a super-speedway (colleseum) in the future to make this sport > even more enjoyable. > > Wang Chung, > > Sun Tzu > SMS Canton Sounds great Sun Tzu, but how is the night life? Ens. S. Hughes ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 15:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: WCE Honor On Tue, 30 May 1995, Kevin Curnutt wrote: > > On Sun, 28 May 1995, Richard William Chiang wrote: > > > Since RTG took over, no QSN position has fired upon a WCE or FGZ position > > of any sort in the Transhole. On the other hand, QSN positions have been > > attacked many times from both those parties. We have excercised > > restrainst up to now. > > Richard, > > I believe a QSN SoL fired upon the joint WCE/FGZ fleet in Porkomo > at the Stargate incident. Btw, don't bother to tell me the SoL was just > protecting the Stargate. Whatever the reason, it fired on WCE ships in > WCE space. > > Kevin > Kevin, Please. That position had defend orders for the stargate. So someone would have to had attacked the stargate for it to trigger its defend orders. Last I checked that does not count as an agressive act. We were asked to defend the stargate by the SMS as there had been many random attacks on stargates throughout the game. Richard ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 15:16:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: FGZ/WCE/WSP Attack The following affliations fired upon an unarmed merchantman today. We officially protest the attack. The QSN is tired of the protests of peace and honor coming from these affliations. Attacks have been launched on our positions without any prior warning. There has been no declaration of war or official notice to the QSN. There has been secret agendas and warfleets that have been formed not for protection but for agressive acts against other groups. These affliations point to rumors as justification and proof that they are not really the agressors. To this point, No QSN position has initiated battle on any of these affliations. These affliations have no honor. There attacks on our honor are only used as a cover for their own lack of. If these affliations only hasten their own destruction and will have no grounds to complain when it comes. A undeclared war is both cowardous and unhonorable. To sponsor others attacks and then protest peaceful intentions only to attack the next week is unhonorable. Why not just announce your intentions after the first attack instead of hiding behind peaceful intentions? Honor is not the easiest path, but it is the right one. Look within yourself and see if you have the courage for peace. If not for honor, then do it for your own self-preservation. As a bully, you may have struck the first blows, but we will get the last unless you change your course. This is your last warning. Lord Anton Qutroh OOC. I am tired of the bullshit flying from your side. If you want to fight, then we will fight. If you want peace, then stop bullshitting and talk peace. ------------------------------ From: ac217@detroit.freenet.org (Chip Charnley) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 19:05:24 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: QSN OOC Statement > > >On Sun, 28 May 1995, Cap'n Scragg wrote: > >> You werent there when I was playing the QSN and you don't know what >> really happened or why things really happened so quit flonting your >> ingnorance and stick to things you know the facts about. >> > >Relax Joe. My comments were not meant as a criticism. You were not >overthrown OOC, but IC. I tried to do a really brief history, not a >finger pointing as to who's fault or not. > >> >> Those are the FACTS from a primary source. Believe them if you want >> I don't care. I'm a pirate now and I don't give a crap about >> politics, history or the sneaky underhanded stuff the QSN did out of >> game to gain power. >> > >I believe you concerning the facts. As for sneaky underhanded things, I >am also tired of people accusing us such actions, when QSN growth is >based on good game play. Tom and Co. did a great job with the QSN and >some people have a hard time admitting it. > >Richard > > Richard, FWIW, I have been out of BSE so long that I don't know or care what went on during that time period except for ONE thing. The QSN attacked the WCE over a problem that, as far as I have been able to ascertain, was caused by they reaction of an alien race(AIS) to what it veiwed as the enslavement of some of it's race (QSN Securitybots) in a manner that NO ONE knew they could accomplish outside of the confines of the planet Far Swinette. Instead of resolving the issue peacably, the QSN decided to react in force against the WCE who were acting as the transport for this (supposedly) diplomatic mission of the AIS. I fully admit that there may be holes the size of Mack Trucks in this but that is the best I have been able to prove occured. As a result, the WCE lost a major colony and there was never a significant peace treaty put in place after the QSN fleet was destroyed. On top of that the QSN publicly indicated an intent to invade the FGZ home system. That was viewed as a declaration of war. This act was viewed as potentially destabilizing the Transhole and was an act against a group that was fast becoming an ally. Once the Transhole Council was formed, any attack/declaration against any member of the Council was viewed as an attack/declaration on all. That fact was made public knowledge. If the QSN did not believe it or draw the right conclusions, the WCE does not take the blame. All the above being said, I would truly like to see this confrontation settled peacefully without further bloodshed. If you want to try to accomplish this, please send me something privately IC on what you think it would take. Keep in mind that the WCE still views itself on the losing side of the ledger when it comes to assets taken/destroyed. Since the other members of the THC have not really sustained much in physical losses, I think they can be dealt with. It is the QSN/WCE resolution that I think will prove troublesome. Chip Charnley ------------------------------ From: ronk@triassic-142.Eng.Sun.COM (Ron Kleinman) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 16:09:54 -0700 Subject: Re: BSE: Blockading Fleet >>From: PROTHORAX@aol.com >>Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 11:35:59 -0400 >>Subject: BSE: Bloackading Fleet What follows is an account of yet another unprovoked and vicious attack upon an unarmed QSN trade ship (sigh). Soon the first fresh winds of autumn will blow, and rid us all of these space gnats. . . . >> Never have the WaSP been so close to the WCE or FGZ ships?! Their ship size >>and new weapons were far superior to WaSP low tech weapons and small ship >>size?! The Wasp being humble?!!? Either something quite nasty and misleading is going on here, or the Wasps are simply continuing the strategy of grovelling at their allies feet, hoping for additional leavings from the FGZ / WCE table. <XLATOR's NOTE: That BZZZ stuff you hear during much of Wasp communication apparently isn't simple space static. It's the sound of the equivalent of hundreds of Wasp stomachs being rubbed submissively on the floor of their small, lo-tech command ship.> . . . >> The projector fires as many other allied weapens land all over >>the ship riping holes and imploding all over the QSN ship. "Aaah, a >>nonbeliver is turned into something usefull, space dust!" >> The captatains order a tagging to be placed under each command window of >>WaSP ships. The drones do a space walk and place a tag under the command >>windows. Thank you ProThyroid thing! This tag will be very useful to us in determining which WASP ships participated in this latest atrocity, when the time comes for the QSN to finally unleash its own dogs of war. BTW, can this tag be picked up on a normal scan? Inquiringly, Nicholas Van Rijn MerchantPerson QSN Blue Whale ------------------------------ From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 20:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Battle at ICN Samms I thought long and hard about how to write this up using my Briggs char., and while it could easily be done IC, too much would have to be left out which would be critical to understanding the underlying reasons behind the attack. So instead, i'll do this OOC: On 195-20, an IND ship being run anonymous, landed at Samms, and attempted to use the old p/u code with the hopes of raping the colony ground defenses, and use them to take the colony. Before someone asks, no the players wasn't Joe E. or Mike K. This was someone else. Someone I once respected till he resorted to this lowest form of cheating, to use info that he once had access to as a former IMP, till he dropped (under Cohoes). The battle was one sided; the IND ship surrendered as 2 companies of armored marines boarded the vessel, due to triggering the "all IND" on the ground enemy list. You see, this player didn't count on the fact that I would take control of Samms this week, so that it would be ready for the changeover on the 15th. Nor did he count on the fact that the p/u code had been changed. This player, although running anonymous, probably hoped to disband the ship immediately, so that I would never know who it was.... one problem with that, I had scanned the ship when it was TRN, and again the week it went IND... I knew who the player was. I will keep the name of the ship and player confidential, as I intend to do some special actions with the ship to see if I can I-C, link the ship to the player's other positions. I'm posting this for 2 reasons: [1] to emphasise that i'm not kidding about all IND being on the enemy lists of IMP colonies, & [2] I consider a person who uses confidential info that they had access to under 1 affil., who uses this info while in another affil. (especially when they create a new char., who would have no way of knowing the info), to be the lowest form of cheater. Steve ------------------------------ From: ac217@detroit.freenet.org (Chip Charnley) Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 20:04:06 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: FGZ/WCE/WSP Attack <snip> There has been no declaration >of war or official notice to the QSN. Excuse me but the QSN threatened the FGZ. The FGZ are part of the TransHole Council. THe QSN started this. No declaration on our side was needed. Shannon Retief <snip> > >Lord Anton Qutroh > >OOC. I am tired of the bullshit flying from your side. If you want to >fight, then we will fight. If you want peace, then stop bullshitting and >talk peace. OOC: Sorry Richard but the QSN are the ones that threatened to invade FGZ space (given what the FGZ did, invasion of thier homeworld and threatening genocide was an over-reaction that even exceeds the WCE profile!). The QSN are the ones that have encouraged others to attack WCE positions (Yes, I have personally talked to two such individuals who I trust quite implicitly both in and out of game) prior to any WCE attacks on QSN possessions but after the formation of the THC and the above-board support of the WCE for the FGZ and SAM. Personally I want peace. I hate war. It is wasteful and gets in the way of my exploration and research. However, the QSN have got to make the first move to call back the dogs of war AND NOT JUST YOU (as best *I* kinow, you are the only rational Quman currently holding rank!) and start the peace process. Until several on the WCE Secretariat see something useful coming from someone other than you, they aren't buying. All that being said, if the Tought Ugo deal with the SMS comes about, that WILL be considered a VERY positive sign and may well lead to the peace you say you want. Chip Charnley ------------------------------ From: PROTHORAX@aol.com Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 20:12:21 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Drones Greetings SMS human, Check the belly and if it's a urine color they are PGJ drones. I hope your not suggesting to harm the drones as this may bring bad luck and pestilence to your colony. A old queen bee (wifes) tale. JANUS PROTHORAX ------------------------------ From: PROTHORAX@aol.com Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 20:15:58 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: FGZ/WCE/WSP Attack QSN rittor(dog), The WaSP made a statement that 3 fleets were seen leaving the Balibus system! You were warned. As for bully, for 3+ years QSN you did what you wanted to us weak races in the transhole and we now say NO MORE RITTOR! The WaSP would rather die then take your boot in the face again! It seems the chains of slavery that you creatures once wore has faded from your memory. Have you forgotten what it is like to fight for your survival against supperior AFF? Then ask yourself creature how could you activitly seek to destroy groups who were weaker then you? Was it for sport? Or to test your new weopens of mass terror? JANUS PROTHORAX ------------------------------ End of BSE Digest V195 #203 *************************** BSE Digest - All items Copyright (c) 1995, by their respective authors, permission is granted to redistribute as long as proper credit is given. To subscribe to BSE Digest, send the command: + subscribe bse-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@fc.net". 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