BSE Digest v195 #210 From: kerry@freeside.fc.net (Kerry Harrison) Date: Sun, 04 Jun 1995 00:00:00 +0000 BSE Digest Saturday, 3 June 1995 Volume 195 : Number 210 Welcome to the BSE Digest, the place to discuss all the myriad aspects of life Beyond the Stellar Empire with other denizens of the Greater Periphery. In this issue: + Mark + Re: BSE Digest V195 #208 + Re: BSE: Who shot first? + Re: BSE: Condensed Fissionables + Re: BSE Digest V195 #208 (Pickup Codes) + Creeping Damage + Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 #208 + Re: BSE: Who shot first? + Re: BSE: Question + Re: BSE: DTR et all + Re: BSE: QSN OOC Statement + Re: BSE: Who shot first? + Re: BSE: Who shot first? + Re: BSE: Condensed Fissionables + Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 #208 (Pickup Codes) + Re: BSE: Thanks...alot! + Re: BSE: Condensed Fissionables + Tracking Down IND Atlantis + Re: BSE: Tracking Down IND Atlantis + Re: BSE: Condensed Fissionables + Re: BSE: Condensed Fissionables + Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 ... + Trade (fwd) See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the bse-list or bse-digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "JASON GOFF" <JGOF4P1@S1.csc.peachnet.edu> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:20:29 EST Subject: Mark Hey, Mark, don't get that ship blown up before you finish payin me for it. You shoulda talked to me before you did that; puttin a agent in a colony is a definite no no. Don Guido ------------------------------ From: RTGames@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 10:59:16 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE Digest V195 #208 Just a coupla notes .... 1. TRN positions cannot be placed on anyone's enemy lists .... 2. With regard to the colony pickup authorizations ... I have said it before, and I 'll say it again ....Interfence either exists or it doesn't. We will not interfere. Period. This includes on-the-spot pickup code changes. If you think the code is compromised, change it. If the colony is GM run, call us and we will change it. In the case of Samms, the player involved was paying attention and disaster was averted. We are not here to prevent your affiliation from being adversely affected by the actions of other players ... we just process turns and occassionally have a good idea or two .... On a related note, in addition to banning pickups from certain rings, we are also looking at ways to expand Pickup Authorizations so they are unlimited <rather than just 3>. Thad ------------------------------ From: NoaKrieger@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:21:13 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Who shot first? [OOC] TO: Jack and Richard, Hey, guys, its a GAME!!! Calm down, take a deep breath and grab a beer or two. I know it can get personal, ask Wayne Alexander about the times I lost my cool when trying to run the IMPs, but you have to calm down. There is a simple yardstick you can use to tell if this crap is starting to get to you: If you send more messages out of character than in character, your in the danger zone. When you don't even BOTHER to send IC messages and don't start a message with [OOC] up front, then you've red-lined it, my friends. Now, I know you are both good roleplayers. It's time to relax and try to get back in character. The "real world" is a big enough pain at times; don't let BSE become the real world for you. Take Care. Jim G. ------------------------------ From: Alan Hatcher <ZU02380@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU> Date: Fri, 02 Jun 95 10:18:58 CDT Subject: Re: BSE: Condensed Fissionables On Fri, 2 Jun 1995 05:28:26 -0400 Charles Meredith said: >> Anyway, is anyone out there going to be selling Cond. Fiss. cheap? I'd >>pay about *10 stellars per for large quantities if anyone wants to put them >>on their market for sale. > > Oh yeah, so would I and I have a plentiful supply. Most of the FISS >pricing I've seen is in the *10 area. I sell FISS for *8. I plan on >selling Cond-FISS for *32. I don't know about anyone else; but to me that >is a very fair selling price. I'm not sure which Universe you're trading in, buy only fools and suckers would pay *8 per for Fiss. on an open market. There are plenty of colonys selling the stuff for 1 or 2 stellars per, so *10 per for condensed is a good price to convince starcaptains to even consider bothering to try to ship the stuff around. Alan ------------------------------ From: NoaKrieger@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:29:43 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE Digest V195 #208 (Pickup Codes) [OOC] Hey Thad, What about the Market Restrictions List? While you guys are looking at ways to increase access, would you please evaluate ways of restricting access other than adding them to your enemies list? I'm such a peaceful man, it pains me to have to do that.<g> I know you guys are busy and I believe I speak for more than just myself when I say we appreciate it. Regards, Jim G. ------------------------------ From: VirHorizon@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 11:50:34 -0400 Subject: Creeping Damage Here's a thought. More complicated but maybe more reasonable. Maybe repairbots can repair hulls without replaceing them. Suppose the repairbot "patches" the damaged hulls with a protective sealant/foam. The sealant is liquid that hardens on contact. It decays after a few weeks and the creeping damage returns. The repairbot has a limited supply of the liquid that must be refilled at a colony. One repairbot might be able to repair several hulls and then is out of liquid. The repairbot would still be able to repair internal damage normally. When a damaged hull is "patched", it would act as a undamaged hull in calculating the creeping damage. example: 50%damage+ 5%(10% of 50 )creeping damage=55%total damage 50%damage - 30%patched =20% 2%(10% of 20)creeping damage + 50%damage = 52%total damage The hull is not actually repaired to new, it only is only temporarily prevented from creeping damage. The ship would still need to go to a colony to effect real repairs. Just a thought. David B. ------------------------------ From: tandmb@sierra.net (Tony & Marcia Baldacci) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:38:42 +0000 Subject: Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 #208 >On a related note, in addition to banning pickups from certain rings, we are >also looking at ways to expand Pickup Authorizations so they are unlimited ><rather than just 3>. Oh, Thad - by the way you might want to look at the chart of pickup exclusion codes in the rules (version 5) - I think you got some duplication in there. Page 14, I think. Tony B. ** Famous Last Words #24: "Whaddaya mean, a pentagram has FIVE sides?" ** ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 09:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Who shot first? On Fri, 2 Jun 1995 Jackmyster@aol.com wrote: > > Prey tell, Richard....Just what *exactly* am I wrong about? > Jack, You mentioned that I should remember history and about the FGZ Scout getting blown up. You implyed that the QSN had done so. I corrected you on that fact. Instead of just accepting it, you had to bring up 101 different points. Maybe that is why I didn't try to respond to your complaints. For everyone I correct, you will just bring up more. The whining is never ending. I try not to independently bring up new problems from the past to critcize the FGZ as it is not helpful for the situation. I recommend that you do the same. As I have said before, if you were really concerned with peace vs winning the BSE list beauty pageant, you would write private email with productive proposals as to what can work. Richard ------------------------------ From: Kevin Curnutt <kcurnutt@metronet.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 13:49:03 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Question On Wed, 31 May 1995, Tony & Marcia Baldacci wrote: > Just so I have some idea, would anyone mind explaining to me their version > of what's currently going on between WCE/FGZ/QSN, etc.? You must be joking, Tony. <g> Kevin ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@freeside.fc.net> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:57:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BSE: DTR et all On 2 Jun 1995, David Isaac wrote: > I've been instructed to appologize to the DTR and would like to comply but > am unsure just what I should be appologizing for. Can anyone explain to me why > the AFT has been posted in DTR space so that I can respond appropriately? And > while we're at it can anyone explain why I personally have been banned from all > TCA space? > I've asked this before but didn't get any response. If the concerned parties > will open a dialog I promise to recall Sister Mary and the Iron Maiden. David, You'll most likely need to take this up directly with the DTR PD - Carl Olson, who's not online, you can reach him at 203-295-8146. Kerry ------------------------------ From: Kevin Curnutt <kcurnutt@metronet.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 16:01:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BSE: QSN OOC Statement On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Richard William Chiang wrote: > Kevin, > > I see your point completely. I am not sure where the QSN has not > recognized WCE soverignty over the upper transhole. I did talk to Phil > one time about some Latexia system that he had a problem with. I told > him that we could resolve that issue favorably in the WCE's favor. I am > sure there are other issues and they can go on forever. There has to be > a point where the past is the past. If the soverignty issue is the > biggy, then I think things should work out fine as the QSN has no big > territorial aspirations in the TH. Now, if we are forced to go to war, > we sure as hell are going to take whatever we can get for our troubles. > I hope something can be worked out too. > > Richard Richard, When you say, "the QSN as no big territorial aspirations in the TH," do you mean that the QSN have *absolutely no* territorial aspirations in the Transhole, or do you mean that the QSN only has the intention of claiming a *few* systems in the Transhole? I'm not trying to be nit picky, I'm just trying to clarify things, because your answer would probably have a bearing on the WCE/THC position on the QSN. If the QSN wants to claim systems in the Transhole, but not in WCE space, I don't think that would be acceptable to the WCE either. It sure wouldn't be acceptable to my characters. Having said all of that, though, understand I'm in no way authorized to speak for either the WCE or the THC. Hell, I don't even have a character in the WCE Secretariat. <g> I'm just a lowly member trying to resolve things peacefully. Kevin ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:19:26 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Who shot first? Ahhh. The voice of reason. Thanks Jim! Bests- Jack ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:39:58 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Who shot first? <You implyed that the QSN had done so. I corrected you on that fact.> Only if the Quoomans respond to "pissheads" often... <The whining is never ending> Whining? Geez, who keeps crying about loosing ships Richard? < As I have said before, if you were really concerned with peace> No my friend...your wrong...I no longer worry about "peace"...That time has passed... ------------------------------ From: Law2Be@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:40:52 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Condensed Fissionables Somehow I missed the reference to condensed Fiss. What page/section was that? Thanx, Rick ------------------------------ From: ac217@detroit.freenet.org (Chip Charnley) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:59:15 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 #208 (Pickup Codes) >[OOC] > I know you guys are busy and I believe I >speak for more than just myself when I say we appreciate it. > >Regards, > >Jim G. > > Absotively, posilutely! Chip ------------------------------ From: PROTHORAX@aol.com Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 19:04:47 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Thanks...alot! ooc: Yes! A GP party after my bug heart?! <g> Sell the info! later david ------------------------------ From: Christopher Allen <gtt-pd@consensus.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 17:35:38 -0700 Subject: Re: BSE: Condensed Fissionables At 1:53 AM 6/2/95, Alan Hatcher wrote: > I was reading through the rule book again last night and noticed >something that gave me a start at first: Condensed Fissionables. Now I know >this can be seen simply as purifying the Fissionables down to higher >concentrations, but I sure wouldn't want to actually "condense" fissionables >too much, or at least not at my colony. :) > Anyway, is anyone out there going to be selling Cond. Fiss. cheap? I'd >pay about *10 stellars per for large quantities if anyone wants to put them >on their market for sale. I noticed them on in the new rules also, and will be sending in an order at GTT Gaspree to give it a try sometime this weekend. There will be 30,000 on the market at 10 stellars per mu. We also have 30,000 condensed metals/non-metals and 30,000 condensed fossil fuels at 5 stellars per mu. GTT Gaspree is working on having 30K mu's of all common non-military items and 3K mu's of common military items available at all times -- we are almost up to date in production and are awaiting to update with new market orders. All unresticted items from Appendix J are 5 stellars per mu, more if it requires special metals (i.e. items requiring jacium, pulac crystals, collidium, fibrillium, etc. will cost 2 times our buy price for the cost of special metal -- we have local source of thorlium and korondite so items requiring those are only 2 times our sell price per metal required in the item.) We have 30K mu buy orders for Jacium, Pulac, Collidium, and Fibrillium -- buy prices haven't settled yet -- give me a shout if you have a better idea on pricing these items. Of course, we also have a limited number of our unique Assault Tanks (a shuttle capable tank that can carry troops!) and Pulsar Tanks (our latest tech item -- the best tank per mu!) available. We will make more available to affiliations that plan to use them for defensive purposes, however, we may restrict large numbers of these special tanks to historically non-aggressive affiliations and races. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ .. Marshall Whispers, Chairman & CEO aka Christopher Allen .. .. Galactic Transport & Trade 4104-24th Street #391 .. .. GTT HQ, GTT Colony Gaspree (#1656) San Francisco, CA 94114-3615 .. .. Petroom (#2713) in Newbian System (#2) home 415/647-6401 .. .. <GTT-PD@consensus.com> No calls after 9pm or before 9am Pacific! .. ------------------------------ From: Christopher Allen <gtt-pd@consensus.com> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 23:08:29 -0700 Subject: Tracking Down IND Atlantis Some useful info for those trying to track down IND Atlantis (#4735), I've been reviewing Newbian Stellar Array data, and old colony printouts, I have the following information: Week 4 - Sighted at Fosos (sp.sq.2647) in Swarm System (#20) Sold 1100 Korondite at GTT Sodom on Fosos Sold 800 Fibrillium at GTT Sodom on Fosos Bought 30 Assault Tanks at GTT Sodom on Fosos Bought 10 Ground Fighters at GTT Sodeom Fosos Bough 1 GPI at GTT Sodom on Fosos Week 8 - Entered Newbian System (#2) at sp.sq. 1050 Jumped out of Newbian System (#2) from sp.sq. 2647 Sighted at Fosos (sp.sq.2647) in Swarm System (#20) Sold 1958 Araldo Potions at GTT Sodom on Fosos Purchased 9 Farms Week 10 - Sighted at Fosos (sp.sq.2647) in Swarm System (#20) Sold 1958 Araldo Potions at GTT Sodom on Fosos Purchased 9 Farms Week 12 - Sighted at Fosos (sp.sq.2647) in Swarm System (#20) Purchased 158 Condensed Metals Entered Newbian System (#2) at sp.sq. 2647 Week 14 - Jumped out of Newbian System (#2) from sp.sq. 2647 Sighted at Fosos (sp.sq.2647) in Swarm System (#20) Sold 1837 Araldo Potions at GTT Sodom on Fosos Purchased 3 Assault Tanks, 110 Ground Bombers at GTT Sodom Week 16 - Bought 500 Missile Lanchers at GTT Sodom on Fosos Bought 518 Missles at GTT Sodom on Fosos Bought 200 Space Fighters at GTT Sodom on Fosos Bought 500 Battle Computers Bought 1392 Condensed Metals (Note that the above were using multiple orders, so I assume he was using Hiports to transfer to IND Ogygia's Hiport) IND Ogygia attacks GTT Motley Crew, GTT Sodom supports ship Entered Newbian System (#2) at sp.sq. 2647 Week 18 - Jumped out of Newbian System (#2) from sp.sq. 1050 Week 19 - IND Ogygia attacks GTT Motley Crew, GTT Sodom supports ship A few interesting notes on IND Atlantis: * IND Atlantis had easy access to Araldo Potion as he repeatedly sold it at Sodom when he could have sold Fibrillium or Korondite as he did in the beginning much more profitably. * IND Atlantis was never actually scanned by GTT Sodom or GTT Gaspree or any ship in orbit of Fosos or Newbian, thus it might be a cloaked ship. * IND Atlantis probably has someplace regular in the Newbian System that he interacts with, but not GTT Gaspree and unlikely on the planet Newbian. * IND Atlantis probably regularly goes to some planet at sp.sq. 1050 -- no other ship in a year of Stellar Array scans has jumped in/out from that point. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ .. Marshall Whispers, Chairman & CEO aka Christopher Allen .. .. Galactic Transport & Trade 4104-24th Street #391 .. .. GTT HQ, GTT Colony Gaspree (#1656) San Francisco, CA 94114-3615 .. .. Petroom (#2713) in Newbian System (#2) home 415/647-6401 .. .. <GTT-PD@consensus.com> No calls after 9pm or before 9am Pacific! .. ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@freeside.fc.net> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 02:56:43 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Tracking Down IND Atlantis On Fri, 2 Jun 1995, Christopher Allen wrote: > * IND Atlantis probably regularly goes to some planet at sp.sq. 1050 -- no > other ship in a year of Stellar Array scans has jumped in/out from that > point. The only known planet in the CP at SQ 1050 is E-E-Z in Scorpion System (15), which looks to be a worthless 3 x 6 chunk of rock - which would make it a likely place to cache stuff at. Kerry ------------------------------ From: Alan Hatcher <ZU02380@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU> Date: Sat, 03 Jun 95 04:21:58 CDT Subject: Re: BSE: Condensed Fissionables On Fri, 2 Jun 1995 18:40:52 -0400 <Law2Be@aol.com> said: >Somehow I missed the reference to condensed Fiss. What page/section was >that? > >Thanx, > Rick It's in the colony section, along with the rules with the other condensed ores. Alan ------------------------------ From: Law2Be@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 07:28:27 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Condensed Fissionables Thats what I get for thinking I knew what the rules were going to say. I blew right by that section because I deal with cond ores all the time, and did not know anything was in the works to change. Thanx for pointing it out for me. Rick ------------------------------ From: PROTHORAX@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 10:47:00 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 ... ooc: I have seen in the past TRN position being used to gather information for a enemy?! Then attack your position! I suggest allowing the nuking of TRN positions or limiting TRN positions actions. later david ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@freeside.fc.net> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 15:01:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Trade (fwd) <sent to wrong address> - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 03 Jun 95 14:37:33 EDT From: ROGER K. MARKLE II <76422.3260@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:owner-bse-digest@fc.net" <owner-bse-digest@fc.net> Subject: Trade Market report for Thrips 4195 at Forus 7 sp sq 2434 Yellowworld buy# price item sell# price 17837 8 cond. metals#170 0 0 0 0 cond. fossil fuel#171 4039 1 0 0 crew#63 250 20 2000 15 ecm#9 0 0 20 3000 farms#28 0 0 0 0 fissionables#45 2000 2 1000 20 grassjuice#67 0 0 1000 15 heaven herb#68 0 0 0 0 korondite#55 700 30 384 200 light basic module#89 0 0 8000 5 thorlium ore#49 0 0 by Lord Zama Primary 4531 at Scorpion 15 sp sq 437 Ahktung 25000 5 colonists#1 0 0 0 0 cond.metals#170 2000 5 4000 5 fissionables#45 0 0 1000 5 grassjuice#67 0 0 1000 15 heaven herb#68 0 0 200 100 light basic modules#89 0 0 2544 25 luxury goods#61 0 0 5000 6 pulac crystals#47 0 0 5 1200 rec-deck#175 0 0 5400 15 strion#62 0 0 by Minister James North ------------------------------ End of BSE Digest V195 #210 *************************** BSE Digest - All items Copyright (c) 1995, by their respective authors, permission is granted to redistribute as long as proper credit is given. 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