ATLANTISv2 atl-players-digest #83

From: csd@microplex.com (Christian Daudt)

Date: Tue, 06 Jun 1995 00:00:00 +0000

I thought I was going to get thousands of responses asking me
to keep this digest (maybe I just wanted to massage my ego ;-))
But I received enough responses, so I'll keep the digest going.
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From: tim.hruby@his.com (Tim Hruby)
Date: Mon, 05 Jun 1995 15:41:08
Subject: Re: More Fake Spells

> You thought you got away with just a few, well you're wrong, coz we have
> devised a whole lot more. Get a load of this!

Please stop spamming the whole list with the stuff.  The list already gets
enough traffic that is of marginal use at best, and is generally nothing more
than a waste of time for all but the one or two factions it is actually
directed at.

Still, most of us have to keep reading it in case there is an important
announcement from Geoff, or someone is trying to get in touch with us.

I can't stop you or anyone else if you decide to persist, but you will go
into my kill file (I've already done this for the Halleluahgobble people),
and then I won't be able to see anything useful you post, any questions you
ask, or even get any mail you may personally send to me.  So don't be
surprised in the future if I (and many others like me) don't respond to
your missives.

Disclaimer:  This is not a flame, it's just a request and warning, though
perhaps not as polite as I could have written it if I had devoted more time
and thought.  If I had wanted to flame you, believe me, you would have felt
the heat of harsh and scathing words.
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Date: Mon, 5 Jun 95 19:54:35 EDT
From: schissel@math.cornell.edu (Eric Schissel - grad - Barbasch)
Subject: ATLANTIS v2: would like to see a sample first-orders

i thought i followed the sample orders format given in the rules that
i had, but the computer didn't understand a word i said.  would anyone
please send me, if they still have a copy, the order list they sent on
their very first turn in this or a prior game? (i understand, if not.)
my address is, for now, schissel@math.cornell.edu.
i have the order list i sent in and can type it in - it's too early
to be confidential :) for me, at least.
-eric schissel.
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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 09:20:21 +0200
From: Ole Guttorm Jensen <guttorm@kom.auc.dk>
Subject: Wands of Fire

Behold, fellow citizens of Atlantis!

Have you not always wished you could cast spells like a mage?
Of cause you have, and now The Teutonic Knights can grant you this wish!

This turn we sell a ... Wand of Fire!
This fabulous device can cast the spell Fireflash and has an UNLIMITED number
charges!

This truely magnificient gadget can me YOURS for a meager 500 silver!
Dont wait, buy it before your neighbour og your enemy!

If interested contact:

guttorm@kom.auc.dk

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From: targon!andre@relay.nl.net (Andre van Dalen)
Subject: Atlantis: Healing skill
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 95 12:33:33 DST

In the rules it sais that the healing skill allows one to heal up to 5
men. Does this mean 1 man per healing level,?

Does it make sense to study healing further than level 1? Geoff?
--
The mail|      Andre van Dalen
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hits!.@&|      adalen.via@sni.de Fax: ++31 3473 65212  Mijlweg 7, 4131 PJ
--more--|nerv: adalen.via                              Vianen, The Netherlands
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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 06:44:10 -0500 (CDT)
From: Bill Christ <bchrist@wins0.win.org>
Subject: atlantis:  owner of unit 3902

Would the owner of unit 3902 located in Methven forrest (80,54), please
contact me.  I am a lone traveler wishing to pass through your realm.

Thanks,
DoLittle
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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 13:49:22 +0200
From: Ole Guttorm Jensen <guttorm@kom.auc.dk>
Subject: Mind Reading

With the spell Mind Reading one can determine the faction allegiance of all
units one can see, BUT does that prevent stealthy thieves of conduction
their illegal activities like THIEVERY and ASSASSINATION?
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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 12:31:09 +0100
From: Tony Sheldon <cs0u308d@liverpool.ac.uk>
Subject: Atlantis Allies/Friends

Does anyone out there know how to stop being ally/frined with another
faction? Do you set them as Neutral?

Please mail me to let me know. Thank You.

Tony Sheldon
(cs0u308d@liverpool.ac.uk)
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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 16:47:13 +0200
From: eloy@piano.icm.uam.es
Subject: To units 943 944 946 942 1932 3238 ....

Please don't kill me. I'm a trade faction without silver.
You would ask before and kill after, is't it?

Please, please , don't kill me.

I'm crying as a baby.....

GM&M

Units 1821 2845 2846 2847

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From: "D.J. McGaw" <u3djm@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Faction Type Change
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:12:28 +0100 (BST)
From: "D.J. McGaw" <u3djm@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Faction Type Change
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:12:28 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Faction Type Change
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:12:28 +0100 (BST)
From: "D.J. McGaw" <u3djm@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Faction Type Change
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:12:28 +0100 (BST)
From: "D.J. McGaw" <u3djm@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Faction Type Change
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:12:28 +0100 (BST)
From: "D.J. McGaw" <u3djm@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Faction Type Change
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:12:28 +0100 (BST)
From: "D.J. McGaw" <u3djm@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Faction Type Change
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:12:28 +0100 (BST)
From: "D.J. McGaw" <u3djm@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Faction Type Change
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:12:28 +0100 (BST)
From: "D.J. McGaw" <u3djm@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Faction Type Change
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:12:28 +0100 (BST)
From: "D.J. McGaw" <u3djm@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Faction Type Change
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:12:28 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Faction Type Change
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:12:28 +0100 (BST)
From: "D.J. McGaw" <u3djm@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Faction Type Change
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:12:28 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Faction Type Change
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:12:28 +0100 (BST)

Hello all.

I've just done a restart and I wanna change my faction type NOW for turn 1.

How do I do it? There doesn't seem to be anything in the rules about faction type changing so this is a bit new to me!

Regards

Dave
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From: leete@slack.med.upenn.edu (Tom Leete)
Posted-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 95 13:26:26 EDT
Subject: unit 1120
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 95 13:26:26 EDT

I know, another boring "contact me" message...

Will the owner of unit 1120 in hex 6,9 please contact
Mr. Lunchnick with regards to this hex.  I think we can do
some nice business.

Lance Lunchnick and the Litigators (277)

leete@slack.med.upenn.edu

Disclaimers:
1)  Prolonged exposure to VDT emissions can lead to antisocial
behavior.
2)  Meaning of message may have settled during shipping.
3)  "No, we can't just trust his judgement, that's why we have
courts of appeal" - Alan Dershowitz

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From: "D.J. McGaw" <u3djm@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Atlantis City Demands
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:16:50 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Atlantis City Demands
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:16:50 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Atlantis City Demands
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:16:50 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Atlantis City Demands
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:16:50 +0100 (BST)
From: "D.J. McGaw" <u3djm@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Atlantis City Demands
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:16:50 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Atlantis City Demands
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:16:50 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Atlantis City Demands
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:16:50 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Atlantis City Demands
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:16:50 +0100 (BST)
From: "D.J. McGaw" <u3djm@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Atlantis City Demands
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:16:50 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Atlantis City Demands
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:16:50 +0100 (BST)
From: "D.J. McGaw" <u3djm@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Atlantis City Demands
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:16:50 +0100 (BST)
From: "D.J. McGaw" <u3djm@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Atlantis City Demands
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:16:50 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Atlantis City Demands
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:16:50 +0100 (BST)
From: "D.J. McGaw" <u3djm@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Atlantis City Demands
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:16:50 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Atlantis City Demands
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:16:50 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Atlantis City Demands
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:16:50 +0100 (BST)
From: "D.J. McGaw" <u3djm@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Atlantis City Demands
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:16:50 +0100 (BST)
From: "D.J. McGaw" <u3djm@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Atlantis City Demands
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:16:50 +0100 (BST)

Is there anyone out there in AC wanting to buy leaders this turn?

If you are planning on buying any leaders, can you mail me and let me know
howmany. From this I willl mail back the list and let you know the demand as it stands. From this you may want to modify your request, or just give up.

Alternatively, you can send me what you think the demand is and I'll compare
it with the notes I have.

I DO NOT want names or faction numbers, just something like :

AC 3 LDR

I will tally all the responses and mail back the total I get. It won't be
gospel, but a rough estimate for you, and maybe other newbie factions, to get holdof a suitable number.

One point, I don't want to know about HEL. Someone has worked out that it is
around 8 to 1, to 11 to 1 depending upon each turn's request.

Regards

Dave

u3djm@csc.liv.ac.uk
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From: leete@slack.med.upenn.edu (Tom Leete)
Posted-Date: Tue, 6 Jun 95 13:44:07 EDT
Subject: Re: Atlantis - The trial of Tiny.
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 95 13:44:07 EDT

I have to find fault with the logic presented about the
only reason for developing stealth is that you have something
to hide.  Frankly, I think every mage is smart to develop a little
stealth, and here's why:
	There are two ways to defend yourself from being ripped
off in this game - develop high obs so you can see all of the
thieves, or develop some stealth so that the theives can't
see you.  Mages are particularly vulnerable to predation by
theives and thugs because they need all of their money to
develop magic, and spending the amount of cash to develop
a leader to a level of obs higher than what the city guard
has is a real drain.  Developing stealth, on the other hand,
gives you some protection at even a low level, while allowing
a mage to study his trade without fear of being victimized by
some thief or killed by some jealous warlord.
	So let the trial of Tiny begin.  See if he's stolen
anything.  So far we have a single accusatory voice and many
character witnesses defending the accused.  The legal opinion of
Mr. Lunchnick's Litigators is that stealth is not a crime, but
libel is.  We'll see you in court.

Mr. Lunchnick,
	Lance Lunchnick and the Litigators  (277)

Disclaimers:
1)  Mr. Lunchnick is in no way associated with the ABA (Atlantis
Bar Association), the ASS (Alcaholic Society of Slobs) or the
AMA (but we'd like to make contacts in the field of medical
malpractice, if anyone's out there listening...)
2)  This message is best if opened before 12/1/2012
3)  "We've got to get doctors out of this mind set that they're
the only ones who can make a decision about what is best for
the patient."  - Health Insurance lawyer commenting on the
proposed New Jersey law mandating that insurance cover a 48 hour
hospital stay after giving birth.

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From: "D.J. McGaw" <u3djm@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Re:  combat & stealth
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:00:17 +0100 (BST)
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:00:17 +0100 (BST)
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:00:17 +0100 (BST)
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:00:17 +0100 (BST)
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:00:17 +0100 (BST)
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:00:17 +0100 (BST)
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:00:17 +0100 (BST)
From: "D.J. McGaw" <u3djm@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Re:  combat & stealth
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:00:17 +0100 (BST)
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:00:17 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Re:  combat & stealth
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:00:17 +0100 (BST)
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:00:17 +0100 (BST)
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:00:17 +0100 (BST)
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:00:17 +0100 (BST)
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:00:17 +0100 (BST)
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 09:00:17 +0100 (BST)

>
>>if Unit A attacks unit B and B has ally C in
>>same hex, but C has stealth rank higher
>>than A's observation rank. Will A be able
>>to attack C during combat?
>
> If C does not have avoid combat set, then he will join the battle on B's
> side.  Stealth has no effect on the battlefield; if C joins the battle then
> he is just as subject to attack as B (and A).
>
>
> John Bollinger
>

Note though, that if C has higher Stealth than A has Obs, then in effect, A
will not know that he will be getting attacked from two sides. A cool way to
surprise someone -

Try hiding a unit of LDR's with a stealth of about 3 in a region with a
singleman. (Best if you choose an enemy's region) and just watch the fireworks when
they attack the sheep!!!

Regards

Dave
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Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 14:16:51 -0500
From: jobollin@iumsc4.chem.indiana.edu (John Bollinger)
Subject: Re:  Faction Type Change

>I've just done a restart and I wanna change my faction type NOW for turn 1.
>
>How do I do it? There doesn't seem to be anything in the rules about faction
>type changing so this is a bit new to me!

You should read the orders summary at the end of the rules.  You want the
FACTION order.  The syntax is "FACTION <type> [<type>]" or
"FACTION GENERIC".   Remember that every order must be issued by a unit.

ex.:
UNIT xxx
FACTION TRADE MAGIC

Hope this helps,
John Bollinger
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From: "D.J. McGaw" <u3djm@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Clarifications on the rules
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 08:52:49 +0100 (BST)
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 08:52:49 +0100 (BST)
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 08:52:49 +0100 (BST)
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 08:52:49 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Re: Clarifications on the rules
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 08:52:49 +0100 (BST)
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 08:52:49 +0100 (BST)
From: "D.J. McGaw" <u3djm@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Clarifications on the rules
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 08:52:49 +0100 (BST)
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 08:52:49 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Re: Clarifications on the rules
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 08:52:49 +0100 (BST)
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 08:52:49 +0100 (BST)
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 08:52:49 +0100 (BST)
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 08:52:49 +0100 (BST)
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 08:52:49 +0100 (BST)
Date: Tue,  6 Jun 1995 08:52:49 +0100 (BST)

>
> I have a couple of questions about how the rules operate in certain
> circumstances (Geoff?)
>
> For Horse mounted movement, a horse can carry 20 weight units, so I
> assume that a unit with one horse and two Elves can move at riding
> speed?
>

That's right! Put both elves in the same unit with a horse, and any movements
that unit makes can be at riding speed.

> If I have two units, one with one man, one with one man and a horse,
> and the two units are both leaving in the same direction, will both
> units move at riding speed, or only the one with the horse?
>

Just the horse owner!

> If both units move at riding speed, then suppose that I have 19 men
> in various units, and all want to move in the same direction, but
> amongst them there are only 9 horses, will the whole group be held
> to walking speed for the one extra man?  If the man stays put, and
> the other 18 characters (with 9 horses) moves out, will they all
> move at riding speed?
>

Point made previous! Only units with horses can move at riding speed.
In this case, you could put two men in 10 units, each with a horse, and that
would be fine!

> ---
>
> On another topic, if I set the GUARD flag on a unit, will the unit
> be prevented from Studying/Working/other month-long activities?
> Reading the rules, it doesn't seem like it should, but a player
> with a much lower faction number than mine told me that it would.
>

I'm a bit hazy on this one. I think it does prevent studying, but I'm not too
sure about working. Note though, that it only takes one man to guard the
region. If he is attacked (through an ADVANCE order), then any other units in the
region will assist him.

> Thanks for the help.  BTW, the turn report did come in today, just
> 9 or 10 hours later than usual.
>
> The Black Falcon
> of The BlackFeather Mariners (546)
>
>

Regards

Dave