BSE Digest v195 #211 From: kerry@freeside.fc.net (Kerry Harrison) Date: Sun, 04 Jun 1995 00:00:00 +0000 BSE Digest Sunday, 4 June 1995 Volume 195 : Number 211 Welcome to the BSE Digest, the place to discuss all the myriad aspects of life Beyond the Stellar Empire with other denizens of the Greater Periphery. In this issue: + Limond Stargate Destroyed + Re: BSE: Limond Stargate Destroyed + Re: BSE: Limond Stargate Dest... + Re: BSE: Limond Stargate Dest... + Re: BSE: Limond Stargate Dest... + New Who's Who-type listing + Sonic Blaster Master Tech Tape Auction + Re: BSE: Limond Stargate Destroyed + QSN and PFM + Re: BSE: Limond Stargate Destroyed -Reply + Re: BSE: New Who's Who-type l... + Re: BSE: Limond Stargate Dest... + Entertainment modules. + Re: BSE Digest V195 #210 + Re: BSE: New Who's Who-type listing + Re: BSE: QSN and PFM + Clutter control + Re: BSE: QSN and PFM + Re: BSE: Limond Stargate Destroyed + Re: BSE: Clutter control + Re: BSE: Clutter control + Re: BSE: QSN and PFM -Reply + Re: BSE: New Who's Who-type listing -Reply See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the bse-list or bse-digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 19:01:03 -0400 Subject: Limond Stargate Destroyed An interesting event occured last week. IND Paris, a MoW attacked and destroyed the already damaged FGZ stargate in Limond and then comitted suicide by attacking IND Allipon. Obviously this was the work of the Quoomans as they are the only ones who would benefit from this...and then covered their actions by having the ship totally destroyed. Why would the Quoomans benefit? Because they can now "try" to build a stargate in Limond. I am therefore now requesting that the Grand Vizier "shut down" power to the Limond system. If the Quoomans do more "stupid" things, I will also request the power to Drell's stargate be shut down. Much Honor Lord Den of Earth ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 17:15:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Limond Stargate Destroyed On Sat, 3 Jun 1995 Jackmyster@aol.com wrote: > > An interesting event occured last week. > > IND Paris, a MoW attacked and destroyed the already damaged FGZ stargate in > Limond and then comitted suicide by attacking IND Allipon. > Thank you for the information Den of Earth. Are you sure you didn't attack the stargate yourself. Our investigation on the stargate turned up evidence that photon guns had been responsible for initial damage to the gate. Were you just finishing the job? Or just looking for something to cause more problems for the QSN? We are now trying to conclude our investigation on FGZ hiring of the RIP and IND players to destroy stargates throughout the Periphery in an attempt to disguise their desire to destroy the ones in the Transhole. Lord Anton Qutroh ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 20:50:27 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Limond Stargate Dest... <Our investigation on the stargate turned up evidence that photon guns had been responsible for initial damage to the gate.> No sh*t! You mean you actually wasted time trying to find something out that evveryone else already knows?! The FGZ attacked our own stargate years ago 'ol yellow one... (Notice how the issue is never addressed?) Are the Quoomans so poor they can't even pay attention now? Nomad4 ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 18:06:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Limond Stargate Dest... On Sat, 3 Jun 1995 Jackmyster@aol.com wrote: > <Our investigation on the stargate turned up evidence that photon guns had > been responsible for initial damage to the gate.> > > No sh*t! > > You mean you actually wasted time trying to find something out that evveryone > else already knows?! The FGZ attacked our own stargate years ago 'ol yellow > one... > In fact our investigation turned up evidence of two attacks. One of them more recent. Lord Anton Qutroh OOC I prefer to get in game evidence that my character could know about vs. using OOC gossip as evidence. It's called roleplaying ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 1995 18:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Limond Stargate Dest... On Sat, 3 Jun 1995 Jackmyster@aol.com wrote: > (Notice how the issue is never addressed?) Are the Quoomans so poor they > can't even pay attention now? > OOC. Upon investigation, no QSN player was involved in the attack either as IND or otherwise. We appreciate the FGZ for destroying the stargate for us though. Bad mistake. ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@freeside.fc.net> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 02:01:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: New Who's Who-type listing Okay, here's the scoop: Instead of maintaining the Who's Who listing of BSE email addresses as I have been, I'm changing the way it's done - if you want to be listed on the list send me your email address, real name, affiliation membership & political position if applicable and I'll include you in the new list - if you don't provide this information then you won't be listed, simple. Kerry ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@freeside.fc.net> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 02:15:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Sonic Blaster Master Tech Tape Auction Okay, it's time for another one of those fun KZK auctions: this time it's for a master tech tape of old but reliable Sonic Blaster space combat weapon. Info on the Sonic Blaster: Item #103 Mass: 20 MU's Build Mix: 20 metals/nonmetals, 1 fissionable Accuracy: +10 Damage: 30 to 40 MU's per hit Info on the Auction: This time the auction will be via private bid. The bidders will be issued a bidder number and this number will be assigned a rank based on the value of the bid. The idenity of the bidder or the content of the bid will not be made public during the bidding process. The auction will end on June 10th at Midnight Central. What we're interested in: The KZK are mostly interested in the following: exotic items, colonies, stellars, manufactured goods, rare ores, common ores. K'zk Kasrith-kazereckii ------------------------------ From: ja409@freenet.scri.fsu.edu (Jason Arnold) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 04:20:29 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Limond Stargate Destroyed >Thank you for the information Den of Earth. Are you sure you didn't >attack the stargate yourself. Our investigation on the stargate turned >up evidence that photon guns had been responsible for initial damage to >the gate. Were you just finishing the job? Or just looking for >something to cause more problems for the QSN? We are now trying to >conclude our investigation on FGZ hiring of the RIP and IND players to >destroy stargates throughout the Periphery in an attempt to disguise >their desire to destroy the ones in the Transhole. > >Lord Anton Qutroh > > Lord Qutroh, D*mn! Foiled again by the cold, calculating mind of the QSN Minister of Propaganda. Oh yes, we confess...the FGZ destroyed their OWN Stargate in a system with a heavy QSN presence. Now let them try to build a Stargate....hey wait a minute!! <g> In the same statement you also came to the conclusion that we also were behind attacks on Periphery Stargates. Dear, oh dear how could we have been so naive....anyone with half a brain could've seen through our shallow ploy. <chuckle> Did you think that perhaps we are the only group who has a problem with the QSN? Please Anton this isn't going to turn into another FGZ are responsible for everything including the Lindbergh kidnapping (obscure but usable Old Earth reference) is it? By the way, VERY good evasion skills on your part.....don't answer the accusation while throwing suspicion on the party who had their Stargate destroyed!! Haven't seen "flying" like that since my academy days. I have my work cut out for me<g> Wotan Tembu, FGZ Chancellor Privy OOC: Howdy! I'm going to be much more active now...so please don't anyone take my IC character comments personally. I promise I'll do the same.....usually<g> Good gaming! Jason ------------------------------ From: pkrauskopf@FALCON.AL.WPAFB.AF.MIL Date: Sun, 04 Jun 1995 07:43:50 -0400 Subject: QSN and PFM My office has just received word that both the Quman and the Pennockian governments have decided not to accept a negotiated settlement to the current situation on Tought Ugo. Neither government feels the WCE should have any rights in deciding who may set up colonies in theTranshole. In other words, both governments have decided to spit in the face of the T3 by mocking T3 sovereignty over the Transhole. Effective immediately, all QSN and PFM positions are hereby banned from the Upper Transhole. The onyl exception to this is that the QSN clan located on Minhkey may remain there, and may travel within Latexia-64. Once the Minhkey clan registers ship with the WCE government, they will be allowed normal access to the Upper Transhole. All other QSN, and all PFM positions are totally and utterly banned, and will be shot on sight. If either government wishes to Pursue negotiations again, they may contact this office directly. Lord Secretary Treyder ------------------------------ From: pkrauskopf@FALCON.AL.WPAFB.AF.MIL Date: Sun, 04 Jun 1995 08:09:31 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Limond Stargate Destroyed -Reply It doesn't matter WHO destroyed the stargate. I believe that Lord Jacine has stated that no other stargates will be allowed in Limond. Treyder ------------------------------ From: Rogue616@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 09:48:54 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: New Who's Who-type l... Who's Who list. rogue616. Jim Louderback. FET. Special Interest Coordinator. ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 10:23:00 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Limond Stargate Dest... Why..."Yes" Lord Horst.... I do believe Jacine did mention that... Much Honor Lord Den of Earth ------------------------------ From: "JASON GOFF" <JGOF4P1@S1.csc.peachnet.edu> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 12:52:13 EST Subject: Entertainment modules. I told someone ( I forgot who) that EM's don't take luxury goods to build. I was wrong. Here's all the facts--Entertainment modules are 200 MU's and take 200 MU's of metals and 30 luxury goods to build. The SSL is doing a referendum to decide whether we want to turn the tech into a master tape. There's already a waiting list for the license if we do. Later, Jason Goff 11 Avalon way Riverdale, GA 30274 404-478-0945 JGOF4P1@S1.CSC.PEACHNET.EDU ------------------------------ From: MTamen@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 13:39:42 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE Digest V195 #210 Godfather, How was I suppose to know that the QSN would go off on me? Nothing in their rules or laws state I can't drop an agent or GP. "The QSN have a policy..."(?) Well, I have a "policy" that every ship that I come across has to pay me 1 million stellars. Respectfully yours, Ens. Mark Tamen ------------------------------ From: jce@icon.net (Jim Elliott) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 13:19:26 -0500 Subject: Re: BSE: New Who's Who-type listing >Okay, here's the scoop: > >Instead of maintaining the Who's Who listing of BSE email addresses as I >have been, I'm changing the way it's done - if you want to be listed on >the list send me your email address, real name, affiliation membership & >political position if applicable and I'll include you in the new list - >if you don't provide this information then you won't be listed, simple. > >Kerry > > Here's my information Jim Elliott jce@icon.net FET Thanks... Jim See you later! Jim Elliott jce@icon.net P.O. Box 42 Mustang, OK 73064-0042 ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 12:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: QSN and PFM On Sun, 4 Jun 1995 pkrauskopf@falcon.al.wpafb.af.mil wrote: > My office has just received word that both the Quman and the > Pennockian governments have decided not to accept a negotiated > settlement to the current situation on Tought Ugo. Neither government > feels the WCE should have any rights in deciding who may set up > colonies in theTranshole. In other words, both governments have > decided to spit in the face of the T3 by mocking T3 sovereignty over the > Transhole. > > Effective immediately, all QSN and PFM positions are hereby banned > from the Upper Transhole. The onyl exception to this is that the QSN clan > located on Minhkey may remain there, and may travel within Latexia-64. > Once the Minhkey clan registers ship with the WCE government, they will > be allowed normal access to the Upper Transhole. All other QSN, and all > PFM positions are totally and utterly banned, and will be shot on sight. If > either government wishes to Pursue negotiations again, they may > contact this office directly. > > Lord Secretary Treyder > > Lord Treyder, We have decided not to accept a negotiated settlement of the situation over Tought Ugo. We did not cause the action. The WCE decided to force the issue by supporting an attack on our assets, without any prior negoiations or expression of desire about a problem with our colony there. Upon failing a military solution, you suddenly want to negoiate. We appreciate the SMS' desire to resolve the problem. We would like to also. But we do not believe in negoitating with a gun at our heads. While the temptation is there to negoitate as it is likely we will lose our colony there, we will not reward such flagrant agression. Our colony, PortRude, has been in WCE for some time now. While we understand the WCE's desire to regulate their space, we do not recognize the WCE's right to suddenly demand the withdrawal of a colony. The fact that they used force first vs talks with us has soured our opinion of WCE honor. We warn all over affliations that demands of immediate withdrawals of assets first using force and then diplomacy is wrong. While the gun is pointed in our direction currently, where will it be pointed next. As for the THC, we will treat them with the respect they deserve. If I remember correctly, you, Lord Treyder, do not speak for the council. If the council wishes to express their wishes, please have the appropiate parties contact us. The QSN is quickly tiring of blatant agression being waged under the guise of self-defense. Lord Anton Qutroh OOC. Why is that one QSN clan being excluded? ------------------------------ From: George Hammond <gstarrh@umich.edu> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 15:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Clutter control since Kerry has graciously consented to compiling the email address list, please send your information directly to him, and not back to bse-list. We don't all need copies of each person's message thanks, George Hammond aka Baltazar Hepto, USS Infomonger ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 12:28:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: QSN and PFM On Sun, 4 Jun 1995 pkrauskopf@falcon.al.wpafb.af.mil wrote: > settlement to the current situation on Tought Ugo. Neither government > feels the WCE should have any rights in deciding who may set up > colonies in theTranshole. In other words, both governments have > decided to spit in the face of the T3 by mocking T3 sovereignty over the > Transhole. > OOC There is a big difference between the right to who may set up a colony and suddenly deciding that an existing colony has no right to exist. If you had expressed some desire or problem in the first place, instead of resorting to violence first, this might have gone a whole lot better. PortRude has not been used as a base for hostile actions on any member of the TH and no such plans existed. Just because the WCE practices wholesale deception does not mean that others do also. ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 12:39:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Limond Stargate Destroyed On Sun, 4 Jun 1995, Jason Arnold wrote: > Lord Qutroh, > > D*mn! Foiled again by the cold, calculating mind of the QSN > Minister of Propaganda. Oh yes, we confess...the FGZ destroyed > their OWN Stargate in a system with a heavy QSN presence. Now let > them try to build a Stargate....hey wait a minute!! <g> > Woton Tembu, You have already attacked your own stargate twice. Why not a third time? Also for the logic behind it, we have long given up figuring what the Turnips are thinking. You could possibly be trying further to disguise your attempt to knock out stargates by saying look ours has been attacked also. > In the same statement you also came to the conclusion that > we also were behind attacks on Periphery Stargates. Dear, oh dear > how could we have been so naive....anyone with half a brain could've > seen through our shallow ploy. <chuckle> > > Did you think that perhaps we are the only group who has a > problem with the QSN? We have information that the FGZ have hired known RIP captains to attack us. Interesting enough, the same captains have also been known to attack stargates. Of course they could be working for someone else. > > Please Anton this isn't going to turn into another FGZ are responsible > for everything including the Lindbergh kidnapping (obscure but usable > Old Earth reference) is it? > No the FGZ are not responsible for everything. We have made very few accusations as for what the FGZ have done as you Turnips have not done too much. If you look back at our past correspondance, both public and private, you will find that the QSN make very few accusations, but spend most of its time responding to the whining coming from your illustrious leader. > By the way, VERY good evasion skills on your part.....don't answer the > accusation while throwing suspicion on the party who had their Stargate > destroyed!! Haven't seen "flying" like that since my academy days. I have > my work cut out for me<g> I appreciate the complement. It has been years since I have been flying. Please notice that we did answer the accusation. Our office had to verify our non-involvment with the action there. Please comment on whether any FGZ has engaged mercenaries (either IND or RIP) to destroy stargates in the Periphery? It is time for you to do some dancing. Before you give an off the cuff response, please check with your members first. You may find that the two step won't be enough for this one. Lord Anton Qutroh ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@freeside.fc.net> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 15:26:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Clutter control On Sun, 4 Jun 1995, George Hammond wrote: > since Kerry has graciously consented to compiling the email address list, > please send your information directly to him, and not back to bse-list. > We don't all need copies of each person's message > thanks, Yes, please send this information directly to me (kerry@fc.net) and don't post it to the list. Kerry ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@freeside.fc.net> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 17:29:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Clutter control On Sun, 4 Jun 1995, Kerry Harrison wrote: > Yes, please send this information directly to me (kerry@fc.net) and don't > post it to the list. Also, please include the position number of your political position if applicable. Kerry ------------------------------ From: pkrauskopf@FALCON.AL.WPAFB.AF.MIL Date: Sun, 04 Jun 1995 17:41:24 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: QSN and PFM -Reply Lord Qutoh, It is not so much the rejection, as it is the reason for the rejection. The QSN PD did not reject the settlement because there was an attack on the colony. The QSN PD rejected the settlement because he did not want anyone controlling colonization in the Transhole, according to Lord Croft. At no time did I say that I spoke for the T3. I spoke only for the WCE, and that is what I stated. The only time the word T3 was used was in saying that the QSN PD was not going to respect T3 sovereignty over the Transhole. Period. Any action or decision from the T3 will come through its spokesman, as was annonnced earlier. I now ask the Quman government, once and for all: Does it intend to recognize the sovereignty of the T3 over the Transhole region. Please do not evade this question. Answer it clearly and truthfully. Let the Greater Periphery judge you by your word. Lord Secretary Treyder ------------------------------ From: pkrauskopf@FALCON.AL.WPAFB.AF.MIL Date: Sun, 04 Jun 1995 17:51:09 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: New Who's Who-type listing -Reply Here's my info Phil Krauskopf 5662 Rosebury Drive Huber Heights, OH 45424-4350 pkrauskopf@falcon.al.wpafb.af.mil Horst Treyder, WCE General Secretary (PD) Governor, WCE HQ Odin's Eye ------------------------------ End of BSE Digest V195 #211 *************************** BSE Digest - All items Copyright (c) 1995, by their respective authors, permission is granted to redistribute as long as proper credit is given. To subscribe to BSE Digest, send the command: + subscribe bse-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@fc.net". 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