BSE Digest v195 #216 From: kerry@freeside.fc.net (Kerry Harrison) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 1995 00:00:00 +0000 BSE Digest Friday, 9 June 1995 Volume 195 : Number 216 Welcome to the BSE Digest, the place to discuss all the myriad aspects of life Beyond the Stellar Empire with other denizens of the Greater Periphery. In this issue: + Bug stuff + FGZ vs. Fat Boy + BSE Digest V195 #214 + WCE Charges Against He-whose-name-can't-be-spoken + Who's Who + BSE: Illegal Items (fwd) + Colony turn frequency + Re: BSE: Colony turn frequency + Re: BSE: WCE Charges Against He-whose-name-can't-be-spoken + Re: BSE: Pick up codes + Re: BSE: New and stupid (or at least ignorant) + Re: BSE: Research + Re: BSE: Research + Re: BSE: Colony turn frequency + Re: BSE: New Who's Who-type l... + Re: BSE: WCE Charges Against He-whose-name-can't-be-spoken + Re: BSE: IND Dark Nova + Re: BSE: New and stupid (or at least ignorant) + Re: BSE: WCE Charges Against He-whose-name-can't-be-spoken + Re: BSE: Who's Who + Re: BSE: Who's Who See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the bse-list or bse-digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Geoff Hanna <71552.3003@compuserve.com> Date: 09 Jun 95 03:34:41 EDT Subject: Bug stuff One is attempting to self-build translator to be suited of betterness to those of blessed Kazerack. Please to be of sympathetics towards this one of humbling awhilst have continued to test of the needing unit? - ----------------- Cascades of happiness, of swelleth and to be within me, for the acceptedness of many messages and to discussing of selling items. To remain is none of the selling items. All have and been sold. Ah but, one retaining of the abilityness to hurl skyward at the 11,000 MU and riding within the straining silver Eye. If one has desired of cargo movingness and be at the Periphery, responding? Import! Of the starting and destination must knowing be, shooting is of avoiding, places of shootingness are find-me-not-there. - ----------------- Please of advisedness of has functioned the translator? To this one seeming of correctness to be it. Your humblest to Bug, H'zk Khan'e'Zur KZK Eighth Eye of the Goddess ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 08:41:34 -0400 Subject: FGZ vs. Fat Boy (Even the FGZ have several charges to lay against He Whose Name Cannot Be Spoken) Retired Judge Roy Bean offers to be the prosicutor for the FGZ: Ummm, Your Honor. The Flagrtiz have several charges which we would like to lay against this....this....the Defeinant. However, I think the Ataman is more concerned with the more important matters. The Flargitz charge Fat Boy with "messing up" our system, to make it more difficult to enter...even for FGZ! Our "wormhole" is a natural, (he laughs as he looks at Fat Boy) NOT mechanical, therefore...we can't do anything about it. (yet) Fat Boy also suddenly decided to stop allowing the Q-Snit to move. This means that thousands of Flagritz, as well as humans have died...from wars etc, when they could have been moved by the the Snit. Lastly...Your Honor, this...person...destroyed thousand of processed mus prior to the Ataman taking control of NeverWhere ovbiously trying to decrease the size of the colony...Heaven only knows how many lives he killed when he decreased the size of the colony from a 8...which as you see here it certainly was...down to a class 6 when Den of Earth took over. Oh, and the FGZ would like to lay one last charge. For interfering in the realtions between the SAM, FGZ, and WCE....by delibrately trying to start wars between the above mentioned races. ------------------------------ From: "Richard A. Loutzenheiser" <76311.2317@compuserve.com> Date: 09 Jun 95 09:57:26 EDT Subject: BSE Digest V195 #214 - -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: BSE Digest V195 #214 Date: 08-Jun-95 at 03:54 From: Richard A. Loutzenheiser, 76311,2317 TO: INTERNET:owner-bse-digestc.net,INTERNET:owner-bse-digestc.net >the KZK did not declare war upon the SAM, OOC-Go ahead and play your little somantic games. You can rewrite history any way you want to, but that fact still will remain that the SAM never threatened the KZK or planned actions against them until they decided to interfere in our war with the PGJ. BTW, we refuse to engage in a phoney war here on the forum so don't be surprised when we don't reply to most, if not all, of any war of words that may be started. We will see you all on the field of battle. ------------------------------ From: PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AL.WPAFB.AF.MIL Date: Fri, 09 Jun 1995 09:48:08 -0400 Subject: WCE Charges Against He-whose-name-can't-be-spoken The WCE spokesman in this matter will be Jame Retief, since he has probably been violated far more than anyone. Horst ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@freeside.fc.net> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:06:39 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Who's Who Who's Who in BSE (and on the bse-list/bse-digest) Player=================Email Address=========================Affiliation=== Wayne Alexander wayne.alexander@mercopus.com EEM Christopher Allen gtt-pd@consensus.com GTT Jason Arnold ja409@freenet.scri.fsu.edu FGZ Tony Baldacci tandmb@sierra.net FGZ Neil Bradley riplord@aol.com RIP Russ Boggs rboggs@isisph.com IND Mike Cofran cojran@ucsub.colorado.edu AFT Kevin Curnutt kcurnutt@metronet.com WCE Jim Elliott jce@icon.net FET Paul Ellis caz@primenet.com AFT Tim Enright timenright@aol.com WCE Jack Ferguson jackmyster@aol.com FGZ Jim Gagliardi noakrieger@aol.com EEM Jason Goff jgof4p1@s1.csc.peachnet.edu SSL George Hammond gstarrh@umich.edu USS Geoff Hanna 71552.3003@compuserve.com KZK Alan Hatcher ahatcher@ns.secis.com AFT Kerry Harrison kerry@fc.net KZK Bill Hendrick bhendrick@kean.ucs.mun.ca MYR Peter Henry henry4633@aol.com QSN Dave Isaac 76170.2705@compuserve.com AFT Josh Knapp tandmb@sierra.net WCE Phil Krauskopf pkrauskopf@falcon.al.wpafb.af.mil WCE Carl Linquist 73240.2556@compuserve.com USS Jim Louderback rogue616@aol.com FET Richard Loutzenheiser 76311.2317@compuserve.com SAM Steve Marte stephmarte@aol.com WCE Steve Mathews ludendorf@delphi.com ISP Charles Meredith chazz@cais.cais.com WCE Steve Messer sbach11@aol.com IND Rob Neal rfn2@aol.com FET Paul Postak fk490@cleveland.freenet.edu USS Derek Smith derek_smith.lotus@crd.lotus.com SMS Patrick Tyrrell tyrrell@netcom.com ICN Keith Verret keithver@aol.com ICN Political Positions==============================Player=================== AFT Chief Journeyman (525) Paul Ellis AFT Negotiator (933) Dave Isaac AFT Sergeant at Arms (1349) Mike Cofran AFT Research Czar (683) Alan Hatcher EEM Chief Executive Officer (1962) Wayne Alexander PD EEM Director of Engineering and Research (2838) Jim Gagliardi FET Executive Vice President (4420) Rob Neal PD FET Special Interest Coordinator (?) Jim Louderback FGZ Ataman (2450) Jack Ferguson PD FGZ Chancellor Privy (n/a) Jason Arnold GTT Chairman & CEO (180) Christopher Allen PD ISP Periphery Director (398) Steve Mathews PD KZK Central Command (3420) Kerry Harrison PD QSN Warlox (?) Peter Henry RIP Lord (2447) Neil Bradley PD SAM Minister for Barbarian Affairs (n/a) Richard Loutzenheiser SMS Information Coordinator (4011) Derek Smith SSL Godfather (299) Jason Goff PD USS Associate Periphery Director (1824) Paul Postak USS Information Coordinator (3531) George Hammond USS Periphery Director (4624) Carl Linquist PD WCE General Secretary (923) Phil Krauskopf PD WCE Secretary For War (721) Steve Marte If you wish to be listed please the following information to the kerry@fc.net (do not post it to bse-list@fc.net as this will cause unnecessary clutter): your name, email address, affiliation membership, and political position (& number) if applicable. ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 11:07:27 -0500 (CDT) Subject: BSE: Illegal Items (fwd) <sent to wrong list> - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 09 Jun 1995 00:24:58 -0400 (EDT) From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com To: bse-list@io.com Subject: BSE: Illegal Items > Date: Sun, 30 Apr 1995 22:08:00 -0400 > From: PEllisCaz@aol.com > Subject: BSE: Illegal Items > To IMP, WCE, and Members of the TCA: > > What items are considered illegal in each of your systems? > > Kaz > AFT Trading Post Sorry, Forgot all about answering this.... just found it in an old directory. Steve IMP ILLEGAL list (dated 192-12) Whitecloud Cortalon Black Lotus Kinshi Araldo (only if Kinshi is also in possession) Methfren MSD Cevene (project underway re-examining this. May be removed if found to be safe. Expect results any week now) Protosphere Work Slaves Pleasure Slaves IMP restricted list (not necessarily illegal, but usage may be) Neurotoxin Vermite Fizzie Shells Plague Shells S-nuke Vimpeller (postable if brought into a colony) ISP prohibitions: Geneb: No Entry period, no ifs, ands, or buts. Immediate death penalty. This includes IMP ships without ISP permission. Belter/Lefter: No landing permitted (ship or GP). see above. ISS Directives (193-42 update) Baghdad/Rike: temporary ban on further colonization (being considered for removal of ban) Barque/Ilmar: off-limits to all except "qualified scientific groups". Barque/Qumpus: temporary ban on further colonization (may be rescinded) Bluecrab/Fairway: temporary ban on further colonization Boktar/Oggg: no colonization, exploration, etc..... baby is starting to wake up Boktar/ the aliens: no colonization.... as if ya could, with that spin rate. Capella/Capella: No new outposts or colonies. Existing colonies may build additional outposts. Capella/Utopia: ditto Capella/Dogleg: ditto Drell: As of 192-2, all further colony & outpost construction by anyone except Qumans is prohibited. Forus/Snore: temp. ban on further colonization. Justin/Kalvert: ditto Newbian/Teran-Zei: ditto Northcape/Hammerfest: ditto (except for Celtians) Rampant/Orlus: illegal to remove any Femole (critical to planet ecology) Spikan/Kolars: Permanent ban on further colonization. Stormgate/Stormgate-4: temp ban on further colonization. Primitive native race known as Mer must be avoided to prevent racial shock. Trian/Spaghetti: temp. ban on further colonization Viscon/Listrom's Hole: ditto Wisepran/Aesops: Plague world under quarantine. No further colonization. I'll review these temp. bans when I get a chance, and probably revoke many. Steve ------------------------------ From: jstanton.qualcomm.com@qualcomm.com (John J. Stanton) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 09:24:33 -0700 Subject: Colony turn frequency RTG/Thad, I would like to echo the request of Chip on allowing the maximum frequency of weeks between turns to increase to 12. If this change was made, I would be able to run more positions. John ------------------------------ From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 10:04:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Colony turn frequency On Fri, 9 Jun 1995, John J. Stanton wrote: > RTG/Thad, > > I would like to echo the request of Chip on allowing the maximum frequency > of weeks between turns to increase to 12. If this change was made, I would > be able to run more positions. > > John > I want to voice support for the 12 week printout also as well as conditional colony printout (with the appropiate turn charges) that someone (sorry I can't remember who) suggested. It will make colonies more flexible. In return for moving the printout to 12 weeks, I would recommend that you disallow GM run colonies for existing affliations. Either they get someone to run them under a new more generous printout rule or have them sold off. The affliation would be able to transfer them to an ally temporarily if they want to keep them. For those they do not want, have a nice STC auction and give them the stellars. RTG gets more turn fees and the affliations become more broad based. Richard ------------------------------ From: NoaKrieger@aol.com Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 14:42:39 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: WCE Charges Against He-whose-name-can't-be-spoken In a message dated 95-06-09 10:07:04 EDT, you write: >The WCE spokesman in this matter will be Jame >Retief, since he has probably been violated far more >than anyone. I heard there have been times that he enjoyed being "violated". 8^) ------------------------------ From: Kevin Curnutt <kcurnutt@metronet.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 13:59:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Pick up codes On 8 Jun 1995, ROGER K. MARKLE II wrote: > In answer to Kevin Curnutt: > I do want to use a pick up code, but under new rules security > does not exist. If it is as simple as not telling anyone the code why is > RTG allowing limits to the code. PA's currently limit pickups. Could it be > that anyone can now crack the code and take whatever they want. Otherwise > why change the current system, it works. I think a better system would work > more like the combat triggers. Allow (1) everyone (2) affiliation number > (3) individual position everything else can be done using PA's. RTG is allowing limits to the code, I think, so that if you want to allow people access to some things but not other things, you can. As for cracking the code, I think it's nearly impossible. You've still got a 1 in 9999 chance. <g> Kevin ------------------------------ From: btb4@lehigh.edu (B T Braun) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 1995 15:15:08 EDT Subject: Re: BSE: New and stupid (or at least ignorant) Geoff, Don't you have a PD? That's typically left to your affiliation.... Be seeing you, Brad Braun btb4@lehigh.edu ///////////////////*********************************************\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ USS: Sheepwrights to the stars since 186. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------ From: btb4@lehigh.edu (B T Braun) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 1995 15:36:33 EDT Subject: Re: BSE: Research Dave (& Richard), I suppose Richard's approach is the flip side to the "fission" notion. The problem, however, is that a massive research colony will waste much of it's "excess" production (due to the 25% efficiency limit). Be seeing you, Brad Braun btb4@lehigh.edu ///////////////////*********************************************\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ USS: Sheepwrights to the stars since 186. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------ From: btb4@lehigh.edu (B T Braun) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 1995 15:27:41 EDT Subject: Re: BSE: Research Dave, After several talks with Thad & others about similar topics, the message is pretty clear: It isn't part of the design for huge colonies to become specialized, rather they are expected to "bud" off smaller colonies that they'll support. Think in terms of time requirements: Assume that it'll take 6 months for a class 5 project to come to fruition (it may take longer). Figure the production requirements to produce that many points with at least 70-80% production devoted to research. Figure out the size colony needed. That's probably the size a research colony should be. Another way to look at it is that the time requirements will probably not be better than 10K points/month (maybe worse at the top half of the curve), so a 200-300 factory range colony is more than adequate for most research. Be seeing you, Brad Braun btb4@lehigh.edu ///////////////////*********************************************\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ USS: Sheepwrights to the stars since 186. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------ From: Law2Be@aol.com Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 15:51:44 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Colony turn frequency I also would like to see longer turn periods allowed, like 12, even if just on class 1-4 colonies. Then I could run, and build up a few smaller colonies for new players to take over, in addition to my larger colonies which need constant attention. Of course, some of my larger colonies run well enough, I would like to see 8 week intervals on one or two of them as well. Rick Burningham ------------------------------ From: Law2Be@aol.com Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 15:48:57 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: New Who's Who-type l... Rick Burningham SMS Coloniz/Research coordinator(955) Law2Be@aol.com ------------------------------ From: btb4@lehigh.edu (B T Braun) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 1995 15:56:43 EDT Subject: Re: BSE: WCE Charges Against He-whose-name-can't-be-spoken > The WCE spokesman in this matter will be Jame >Retief, since he has probably been violated far more >than anyone. Horst ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >^^^^^^^^^^^ > Damn! Some guys have ALL the luck! Be seeing you, Brad Braun btb4@lehigh.edu ///////////////////*********************************************\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ USS: Sheepwrights to the stars since 186. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------ From: rboggs@isisph.com (Russ Boggs) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 13:05:20 -0800 Subject: Re: BSE: IND Dark Nova >No the ship hasn't broken any laws (that I know about yet), it's simply >orbiting Quellon, where IMP Samms is, and after the unsuccessful IND >attempt last time, i'm more than a little suspicious of another IND >ship appearing this soon afterwards. In one week, if I hear no reason >to convince me otherwise, Samm's will add all IND to it's space enemy >list. Wait a minute. The mighty Imperials are so frightened by one tiny IND ship that they are going to begin attacking the entire IND affiliation? Wow. The IND's are a pretty hot pirate organization if they can spread that much terror with just one or two attacks. I'm proud to be a member of such an elite affiliation! (They don't have much in the way of special abilities, though. I'll have to talk to Thad/Pete about that. We have to do something to remain competitive.) Usually you seem to be a pretty good role-player. What will von Ludendorf's explanation of targeting ALL the IND ships in the game? (I did notice that Steve signed the message.) - --Russ ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@freeside.fc.net> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 15:12:14 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BSE: New and stupid (or at least ignorant) On Fri, 9 Jun 1995, B T Braun wrote: > Don't you have a PD? That's typically left to your affiliation.... Yes he has a PD. Kerry ------------------------------ From: rboggs@isisph.com (Russ Boggs) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 13:18:28 -0800 Subject: Re: BSE: WCE Charges Against He-whose-name-can't-be-spoken > The WCE spokesman in this matter will be Jame >Retief, since he has probably been violated far more >than anyone. Horst Yeah, but he wasn't WCE in those days. How about MacBeth or, better still, Charles Xavier? ------------------------------ From: rboggs@isisph.com (Russ Boggs) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 13:18:32 -0800 Subject: Re: BSE: Who's Who >Who's Who in BSE (and on the bse-list/bse-digest) > >Player=================Email Address=========================Affiliation=== >Tony Baldacci tandmb@sierra.net FGZ >Josh Knapp tandmb@sierra.net WCE Kerry, They have the same EMail address? - -Russ ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@freeside.fc.net> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 15:21:28 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Who's Who On Fri, 9 Jun 1995, Russ Boggs wrote: > >Who's Who in BSE (and on the bse-list/bse-digest) > > > >Player=================Email Address=========================Affiliation=== > >Tony Baldacci tandmb@sierra.net FGZ > >Josh Knapp tandmb@sierra.net WCE > > Kerry, > They have the same EMail address? > -Russ Yep, Josh is Tony's stepson if I remember correctly. 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