BSE Digest v195 #215

From: kerry@freeside.fc.net (Kerry Harrison)

Date: Fri, 09 Jun 1995 00:00:00 +0000

BSE Digest                  Friday, 9 June 1995        Volume 195 : Number 215

Welcome to the BSE Digest, the place to discuss all the myriad aspects of
life Beyond the Stellar Empire with other denizens of the Greater Periphery.

In this issue:

+       Time offline, FYI
+       Bug Offers
+       Re: #1(2) BSE Digest V195 #214
+       Re: #1(2) BSE Digest V195 #214
+       Colony printout suggestion
+       OOC to FGZ/QSN
+       BSE: Colony printout suggestion -Reply
+       QSN-FGZ War
+       Re: BSE: Colony printout suggestion -Reply
+       Re: BSE: Re: #1(2) BSE Digest V195 #214
+       Re: BSE: Colony printout suggestion -Reply
+       Re: BSE: Re: #1(2) BSE Digest V195 #214
+       Pick up codes
+       Re: BSE: Who's Who List
+       BSE: Bug Offers
+       IND Dark Nova
+       People vs. Fat-Boy
+       Re: BSE: Research
+       Sovereignty

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From: tandmb@sierra.net (Tony & Marcia Baldacci)
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 23:43:45 +0000
Subject: Time offline, FYI

To everyone:

Just for your info, I have our local annual Renaissance festival to do this
weekend; so I'll be offline & out of touch from Friday early afternoon
until late Sunday evening sometime. Hopefully nothing earth-shattering will
arise, but...(g)

Tony Baldacci

** Famous Last Words #24: "Whaddaya mean, a pentagram has FIVE sides?"  **

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From: Geoff Hanna <71552.3003@compuserve.com>
Date: 08 Jun 95 03:56:44 EDT
Subject: Bug Offers

Whilst Astonishment is rampant, behold with awe and wonder the
silver courser. To exceed boundaries, to swell constraints,
of possessiveness! Being of amazement!

Most humble of pardons requested from all listening!

I have personally inspected my small, new command, and have found
that it is not actually small. One who has experienced so little
is easily surprised. Perhaps all ships are equally immense?

This causes a quandary of sorts. Could there be others who require
the movement of cargo in what one such as I would consider to
be large quantities? Say, somewhere slightly in excess of 11000
Mu's at a time?

I make my humble ability to transport available to all who are
in need and will not shoot at me. If it pleases, contact me via
a direct connection (private bandwidth) to arrange for same.

My third nestling brother also has an excess which may prove of
use to others.

20,000 Mets/NonMets
         3,000 Fissionables
         6,000 Permanent Struct. Units

I believe my nestling wishes to exchange these excess items for
stellars, 3/Mu for the Fiss, 2/Mu for Mets, 6/Mu for the PSU.
Please advise if these may be of use to any or all. I shall
endeavor the attempt to transport any purchased items, saving
those who are interested from the tedious task of moving the items
themselves. I will need directions to your destination, as someone
removed all of the maps from the glove box of my vessel.

Purchasers who wish to shoot at me need not reply.

Your humble Bug,
H'zk Khan'e'Zur
KZK Eighth Eye of the Goddess

Oh - I hope that I have not offended! 'Bug' is the proper term
used by the TallPaleOnes and others not of Kazerack, is it not?

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From: Jackmyster@aol.com
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 08:09:54 -0400
Subject: Re: #1(2) BSE Digest V195 #214

Actually Richard, that is not true. It has been perpitrated by Tom Jackson
for quite some time now...Just like we are not "Turnips", just like our
basespeed advantage is not mentioned, but we certainly have it. I suggest you
do more "checking" into your profiles before you start loosing your
creditabilty. (IF there any left?)

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From: Jackmyster@aol.com
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 08:09:58 -0400
Subject: Re: #1(2) BSE Digest V195 #214

Bullsh*t. I've been thru the area, I would have blown up any QSN ships...Tell
me, when does the "truth" start coming out? After we squeeze your head?

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From: ac217@detroit.freenet.org (Chip Charnley)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 08:32:28 -0400
Subject: Colony printout suggestion

I have been struggling since I re-started BSE with the colony printout
frequency vs a 'turn-by-turn' printout. There are definitely good things
about it but it's too rigid for my tastes and has caused me to lose
production and other things that didn't need to happen for the length of
time it did. Therefore I'd like to propose that RTG modify the colony
printout program and order input program to allow the following 'triggers'
to colony prinouts:

Print if colony production failed
Print if prodcution queue is empty
Print if Research Project completes
Print if item X exceeds qty Y
Print if item X falls below qty Y

I'd also like to see the maximum time between colony printouts allowed
increased to 8-12 weeks. I've been seeing printouts on a colony every 4
weeks for absolutely no reason at all and paying $6.00 for it is galling. In
addition, I freely admit that extending this time would allow me to run
another position or two (probably colonies) and still stay within my BSE
budget. I currently have on spot where I would like to start a new colony
where none currently exist and a second that may prove to need one.

Chip Charnley

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From: Michael.Keane@maf.nasa.gov
Date: 08 Jun 95 07:47:55 -0600
Subject: OOC to FGZ/QSN

On Wed, 7 Jun 1995 Richard Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu> sent:

>On Sun, 4 Jun 1995 Jackmyster@aol.com wrote:
>

<snip>

>>
>> As for a "second" attack against the Limond stargate...Don't think so. The
>> Ataman would have heard about it...and he has not.
>>
>
>Incorrect.  The Limond stargate has now been attacked three times.  It
>has been attacked twice by the FGZ as far as we can tell.  The first time
>was a while back ago.  The second time was late last year.  The third was
>the one recently.

OOC to Jack and Richard - Okay guys; take a deep breath,  count to ten, and go
get a beer.  You are both right (and both wrong).  There *were* two FGZ attacks
on the Limond stargate - the second was two weeks after the first and both were
over two years ago.  I did it with my first baseship.  I can probably dig up the
turns if you want exact dates and details.  Now that a war has actually started,
can we *please* stop all the mud-slinging about the past (I'm looking forward to
the IC mud-slinging about the current and future(?) battles).  Later.    Mike K.

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From: PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 1995 08:54:32 -0400
Subject: BSE: Colony printout suggestion -Reply

Chip,

I whole-heartedly agree with the conditional print
commands.  I would like to add another one, though:

PRINT IF # COLONY ORDERS =30

This would help prevent my being charged $12 for
31 orders.

I spoke with Pete about extending the Frequency
rate.  His point is that they would lose a lot of money
by doing this.  Personally, I think that most players
would do as you stated, and simply increase the
number of positions they play.  I know for a fact that
this is what I would do (there's always about ten times
the number of things I want to do than money I have to
do it).  However, we need to convince RTG that they
wouldn't lose money on the deal.

Pete and Thad:  How about trying this out on a
temporary basis.  Perhaps you could start by
extending the max from 4 to 5 weeks, along with some
or all of the conditional printout options mentioned.
Try it for a couple months, and if it works out, perhaps
extend it a bit more.  If it doesn't work out, then you
can return it back to 4 weeks.

On a historical basis, there are far fewer colonies
today than there was before the conversion to BSE II.
When that (and the 4-week maximum) came on-line,
suddenly many specific-purpose colonies became
untenable, and they were dropped in droves (I think
that Mike P said they transferred about 500 colonies
from the old system ot the new).

Finally, are there any plans there at RTG to enable us
to receive our turns via your BBS?  This could save
you guys a lot of money, especially for the political
print-outs and battle reports.

Phil K.

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From: PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Date: Thu, 08 Jun 1995 09:04:32 -0400
Subject: QSN-FGZ War

FOE Being:

The Qumans still don't intend to attack the FGZ.  In
their infinite wisdom, they've decided to get their
revenge by attacking the WCE.  Gues they couldn't
hack Neverwhere...

Horst Treyder

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From: "Hendrick,Bill;=9462771" <BHENDRICK@kean.ucs.mun.ca>
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 10:56:18 +0200 (IST)
Subject: Re: BSE: Colony printout suggestion -Reply

> Pete and Thad:  How about trying this out on a
> temporary basis.  Perhaps you could start by
> extending the max from 4 to 5 weeks, along with some
> or all of the conditional printout options mentioned.
> Try it for a couple months, and if it works out, perhaps
> extend it a bit more.  If it doesn't work out, then you
> can return it back to 4 weeks.
>

The trial would probably have to more than a couple months.  I think
people will be a little wary about spending *'s to get another colony or
ship if they feel they might not be able to afford the $'s in couple
months if the rule changes back.

Bill

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From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 09:25:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: BSE: Re: #1(2) BSE Digest V195 #214

On Thu, 8 Jun 1995 Jackmyster@aol.com wrote:

> <By previous FGZ profiles, it was impossible for them to
> claim a system which they did not own a colony in and we disputed their claim
> to the system.>
>
> Actually Richard, that is not true. It has been perpitrated by Tom Jackson
> for quite some time now...Just like we are not "Turnips", just like our
> basespeed advantage is not mentioned, but we certainly have it. I suggest you
> do more "checking" into your profiles before you start loosing your
> creditabilty. (IF there any left?)

Jack, if you can get beyond the petty personal attacks, shall I post the
relevant portions of the profile I have.  The profile I have does indeed
have the basespeed advantage.  As for the turnip comment, please take
that in character as it was posted as such.  The profile does not call
you turnips either.  That is my character's own special nickname for the
FGZ.  Don't get too upset, you have a whole bunch for the QSN.  If your
profile is different from the one I got from the company who will not be
mentioned then it is convienant.  During one of our conversations, you
seemed to be quoting out of the profile I have.  In reality, I don't
really want to argue about profile restrictions or the non exsistence of
the above as they are no longer appropiate.  Let us just say, the QSN
does not recognize claims of the FGZ on some systems you have claimed.
Isn't that simple enough?

Richard

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From: chazz@cais.cais.com (Charles Meredith)
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 16:50:31 -0400
Subject: Re: BSE: Colony printout suggestion -Reply

>Pete and Thad:  How about trying this out on a
>temporary basis.  Perhaps you could start by
>extending the max from 4 to 5 weeks, along with some
>or all of the conditional printout options mentioned.
>Try it for a couple months, and if it works out, perhaps
>extend it a bit more.  If it doesn't work out, then you
>can return it back to 4 weeks.

This would not help me much.  I would have to see enough savings to
start another position.  I would not mind starting a fledgling colony of two
if I could reduce the cost of my current colonies....

PS,
        QSN, this is NOT an invitation....

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From: Kevin Curnutt <kcurnutt@metronet.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 17:19:42 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: BSE: Re: #1(2) BSE Digest V195 #214

On Thu, 8 Jun 1995, Richard William Chiang wrote:

> On Thu, 8 Jun 1995 Jackmyster@aol.com wrote:
>
> > <By previous FGZ profiles, it was impossible for them to
> > claim a system which they did not own a colony in and we disputed their claim
> > to the system.>
> >
> seemed to be quoting out of the profile I have.  In reality, I don't
> really want to argue about profile restrictions or the non exsistence of
> the above as they are no longer appropiate.  Let us just say, the QSN
> does not recognize claims of the FGZ on some systems you have claimed.
> Isn't that simple enough?
>
> Richard

Richard,

Weren't *you* the one that brought up profiles, and the supposed
limitations therein?

Kevin

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From: "ROGER K. MARKLE II" <76422.3260@compuserve.com>
Date: 08 Jun 95 19:23:32 EDT
Subject: Pick up codes

In answer to Kevin Curnutt:
	I do want to use a pick up code, but under new rules security
does not exist. If it is as simple as not telling anyone the code why is
RTG allowing limits to the code. PA's currently limit pickups. Could it be
that anyone can now crack the code and take whatever they want. Otherwise
why change the current system, it works. I think a better system would work
more like the combat triggers. Allow (1) everyone  (2) affiliation number
(3) individual position everything else can be done using PA's.

A Paraniod Confused Colony Goveror

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From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@freeside.fc.net>
Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 21:41:31 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: BSE: Who's Who List

On Tue, 6 Jun 1995, Wayne Alexander wrote:

> I think it would be a good idea if those sending Who's Who info to
> Kerry if they would include the character name of their senior and/or
> political position.  It would enhance the roleplaying and I like to
> know who I'm dealing with, so to speak.

Actually I'm just collecting political positions/titles and affiliation
membership for the list.

Kerry

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From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 1995 00:23:48 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: BSE: Bug Offers

>          6,000 Permanent Struct. Units
>
> I believe my nestling wishes to exchange these excess items for
> stellars, 3/Mu for the Fiss, 2/Mu for Mets, 6/Mu for the PSU.

Geoff,

PSU's are non-movable, and therefore non-saleable.  Other non-moving
items are: environmental domes & research.  Save yourself the MR slots.

Steve

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From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 1995 00:24:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: IND Dark Nova

If any here on the list owns the ship IND Dark Nova (1694) or knows
who does own it, the owner of the ship has 1 week to contact me
and justify why I shouldn't target him.

No the ship hasn't broken any laws (that I know about yet), it's simply
orbiting Quellon, where IMP Samms is, and after the unsuccessful IND
attempt last time, i'm more than a little suspicious of another IND
ship appearing this soon afterwards.  In one week, if I hear no reason
to convince me otherwise, Samm's will add all IND to it's space enemy
list.  Since it's the only colony on the planet, and since it's the ICN HQ,
and since it has no market, I see no reason for IND ships to suddenly
appear there.  Also effective next week, all IND will be added to the
ground enemy list of those few IMP colonies that still allowed them
to land.  I consider this public notification of these intents.

If someone is legitimate IND, and has legitimate business, he'ld
best contact me first, and i'll make arrangements to ensure the
safety of the position.

Steve

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From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 1995 00:24:34 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: People vs. Fat-Boy

This is Joe Bob Briggs for UPI News service reporting live from the
courthouse here at IND Allipon, where the trial of the galaxy is about to
commence: The People vs Fat-boy.  The Alliponian courts have chosen
Judge Wompner, one of the more honest Alliponian judges, to preside.
Judge Wompner is known to be a stickler for legal technicalities, but this
is no ordinary trial, and it involves the laws of many different races.
We can see that the defense team is preparing themselves, while the
various prosecutors of numerous races are talking, via their interpreters.
<OOC: Jason Goff will play the Judge, when he returns.  I'm winging it with
info he provided in the interim>.  Alliponian security forces have been hard
pressed to contain the angry mobs from storming the courthouse and
tearing fat-boy limb from limb. The Judge has ruled that the media will be
allowed to be present for the trial.

<baliff> All rise.  The 5th Criminal Court of Allipon is now in session, the
Right Honorable Judge Wompner presiding. Be seated.

<Judge> Mike Popolizio, Periphery Director of the company known as ABM.
For trial purposes, you will henceforth be known as "fat-boy".  Fat Boy, you
are hereby charged with the following crimes..... hmmm... this list will
require several hours of reading.  Since this trial involves many different
races, and many different laws and customs of those races, this court
hereby rules that each races prosecutor shall read it's own charges,
individually.  Prosecutor for the Stellar Empire, what are your government's
charges?

<IMP attorney> The Stellar Empire hereby charges fat-boy with crimes
against humanity.  He is charged with the murder of thousands, when
he magically killed them off from human colonies, after a colony became
inactive.  He is charged with the theft of thousands <actual numbers
appear on the bottom of your TV screen> of mu's of items, when he stole
them from human colonies after they became inactive.  He is charged with
abuse of his company's power and abilities, of usorous business practices,
of violation of the Fair Trade Act, the theft of billions of stellars by
creating an economy which only removed money without re-introducing it, of the

massacre of entire civilizations <list scrolls at bottom of TV screen>. He is
charged with slavery in his treatment of the individuals known as Liz &
Marti.  He is charged with the burglary of the TRN ship Nightstalker,
attempted flight to avoid prosecution, and resisting arrest.  Jack Everritt
is charged as his accomplice in these crimes.

<Judge> Otto Bongwater, councilor for the defense, how do your clients
plead?

<<anyone wanna jump in and prosecute for their own affil., go ahead.
One thing, in doing the judge, Jason said he's gonna be a jerk to all sides>>

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From: Law2Be@aol.com
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 1995 03:06:11 -0400
Subject: Re: BSE: Research

It's not easy, but all the research specialties are possible to run as
advetised.  I have a colony that can generate 64,000+ mus of Pulac/week,
(although I only produce about 1,000 week now).  I do generate in excess of
30,000 week in other ores, and may do so in Pulac, Fiss, FF, etc. in the near
future.   It is possible, and I'm far from being the only one.  Research
colonies are potent resources for an affiliation, and perhaps RTG was just
making it difficult because they are so valuable.  In addition, since it
takes huge amounts of resources, it effectivly reduces the excess of other
items flooding the marketplace.

I personally think it will work, and am quite glad Pete and Thad took on this
major project to make the game better.

Rick Burningham

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From: wayne.alexander@mercopus.com (Wayne Alexander)
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 95 00:27:00 -0500
Subject: Sovereignty

Minister Qutroh,

According to my standard dictionary:

"Sovereignty: 1. Supremacy of authority or rule as exercised by a
sovereign or a sovereign state."

According to Blacks Law Dictionary (Rev. 4th Ed.):

"Sovereign Power or Sovereign Prerogative: That power in a state
to which none other is superior or equal,"

Sovereignty is never given, it is the claim you lay to that which you
have taken...and can keep.

So, what does this mean in the overall context of the current situation?

When you live in Rome you do as the Romans do, or the Romans kick your
butt.

It just can't get any less complex than that.

Dax Krieger
Retired Star Admiral guy

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