BSE Digest v195 #213

From: kerry@freeside.fc.net (Kerry Harrison)

Date: Thu, 08 Jun 1995 00:00:00 +0000

BSE Digest                 Wednesday, 7 June 1995       Volume 195 : Number 213

Welcome to the BSE Digest, the place to discuss all the myriad aspects of
life Beyond the Stellar Empire with other denizens of the Greater Periphery.

In this issue:

+       FET Hedion Market
+       Re: BSE: FET Hedion Market
+       QSN Ambition
+       BSE: QSN Ambition -Reply
+       Re: BSE: QSN Ambition -Reply
+       Trade
+       Re: BSE: Cloaked Colonies Visible?
+       Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 #208
+       Re: BSE: Cloaked Colonies Visible?
+       DateLine:  EEM Eagle, Planet Fairway, Bluecrab System
+       Krieger Press
+       Re: BSE: New Who's Who-type l...
+       Fresh bug meat
+       New and stupid (or at least ignorant)
+       Wanted: 12,000 Condensed Metals
+       Sonic Blaster Tech Auction CANCELLED
+       MYR/FET
+       Fwd: 'Spur's Actions at Never...
+       Who's Who List
+       WCE Attack
+       BSE: RIP Destroy Highports
+       Re: BSE: Wanted: 12,000 Condensed Metals

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From: RFN2@aol.com
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 01:06:19 -0400
Subject: FET Hedion Market

FET hedion, while still selling 25000+ Euphoria at just *4/mu; is no longer
buying war goods...look for the market to start buying expansion products.
 I'll keep you advised.

Much thanks to all of you who visited!

BlackJack

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From: Christopher Allen <gtt-pd@consensus.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 23:12:13 -0700
Subject: Re: BSE: FET Hedion Market

At 10:06 PM 6/5/95, RFN2@aol.com wrote:
>FET hedion, while still selling 25000+ Euphoria at just *4/mu; is no longer
>buying war goods...look for the market to start buying expansion products.
> I'll keep you advised.

It would help if you would give System, Space Square, Planet or Moon, and
Colony Position Number.

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From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 03:43:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: QSN Ambition

The QSN High Command has received confirmation of the destruction of our
colony QSN Ambition.  We are sorry to see the loss of life at our colony
and promise vengence for those who lost their life.  The QSN were awed by
the might posessed by the FGZ and the WCE.  Such a battle fleet is of
historic porportions.  The enemy has finally shone its colors and now we
will fight.

We are allowing those members of the above two affliations to avoid
combat as strategic strikes against our enemies will now commence.  When
failure results from such agression, we will deal with those two
affliations in a fair manner.  This the Coilox has promised.  Your
leadership has lead you in the path of war.  You will be the ones who
suffer for it.  The QSN hopes to avoid unnecessary bloodshed, but we do
not know how to avoid those factions in your affliations that have lead
you down this path.  We will make every effort to do so.  When you tire
of the war, we will treat you in judicious manner.

Lord Anton Qutroh

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From: PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AL.WPAFB.AF.MIL
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 1995 08:21:39 -0400
Subject: BSE: QSN Ambition -Reply

Lord Anton Qutroh,

I repeat, all the QSN have to do to avoid war is to
agree to respect and abide by T3 sovereignty in the
Transhole.  You didn't answer this one before.  Will
you answer this time?

Lord Treyder

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From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 14:04:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: BSE: QSN Ambition -Reply

On Tue, 6 Jun 1995 PKRAUSKOPF@falcon.al.wpafb.af.mil wrote:

> Lord Anton Qutroh,
>
>     I repeat, all the QSN have to do to avoid war is to
> agree to respect and abide by T3 sovereignty in the
> Transhole.  You didn't answer this one before.  Will
> you answer this time?
>
> Lord Treyder
>

Lord Treyder,

Your affliation has attacked and destroyed QSN assets before presenting
your wishes to our affliation.  We respect the rights of affliations to
claim space and regulate it.  We also have some problems with some of the
claims of some of your members as it conflicts with previous agreements
with the respective member states.  Currently we do not have a problem
with claims the WCE and the SAM have made for your respective space.

Our problems with the third affliation could have been resolved more
peacefully, but the issue is complicated now.  The WCE and the FGZ have
now killed QSN citizens in a series of secret manuvers and peace has now
been made more complicated.  The QSN has not denied the right of any
government to govern its space, but we also have a right to have
disagreements with said governments.  We do not have problems with the
THC basic right to divide up the Transhole, but we now have problems with
your affliation and the FGZ.  If you feel violence is the path you want
to take to resolve your disagreements, then we will exercise our right to
use violence to resolve our disagreements.  If the WCE have the desire to
end this conflict, then please contact the Maalox and discuss it with
him.  Until then, you have started a war and we will deal with it as we
feel we must.

Lord Anton Qutroh

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From: "ROGER K. MARKLE II" <76422.3260@compuserve.com>
Date: 06 Jun 95 17:52:42 EDT
Subject: Trade

Periphery Investment Corp. is currently looking for a supply of Light basic
modules
#89 ,stellars or trade items available. Interested parties can contact PIC on
private
channels or public announcement. Question how do colonies limit access to
restricted markets and is it possible to have no pick up code.

CEO of PIC Captain Red Rider (AFT)

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From: btb4@lehigh.edu (B T Braun)
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 1995 17:58:57 EDT
Subject: Re: BSE: Cloaked Colonies Visible?

Steve,

At least one USS colony is showing up that shouldn't.

Be seeing you,

Brad Braun
btb4@lehigh.edu
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USS: Sheepwrights to the stars since 186.

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From: btb4@lehigh.edu (B T Braun)
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 1995 18:19:17 EDT
Subject: Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 #208

Thad,

I would suggest (given the current broad definition of a PU code) considering
either (or both):  A list of excluded items (not just rings), or a third type
of code that would allow anyone in it's possession to pickup an unlimited
number of a limited number of items (say a list of 5, 10, 20 items - whatever).

The trouble, of course, is that "total security" makes a code useless, the
less secure, the more useful.  In the "old system", you could be pretty free
with the code (i.e., make good use of this game mechanic) secure in the
knowledge that you couldn't be ripped off.  This is not, I think, a bad thing.
The fact that everyone seems to aknowledge the tactic in question as
"cheating" would place prevention of it well withing the GM's realm.

As to the notion that "interference either exists or it doesn't" - I'd have to
say "hogwash."  In fact rules changes ARE "interference", I'd even call
processing turns "interference," certainly preventing cheating is interference.
Predictable, judicious, reliable, and fair "interference" is what a GM does
all day.  My universe is, evidently, comprised of far more shades than is your
own.

Be seeing you,

Brad Braun
btb4@lehigh.edu
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USS: Sheepwrights to the stars since 186.

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From: btb4@lehigh.edu (B T Braun)
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 1995 19:01:37 EDT
Subject: Re: BSE: Cloaked Colonies Visible?

I think (hope) this problem has finally been resolved.  It was not game-wide.

Be seeing you,

Brad Braun
btb4@lehigh.edu
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USS: Sheepwrights to the stars since 186.

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From: NoaKrieger@aol.com
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 19:50:08 -0400
Subject: DateLine:  EEM Eagle, Planet Fairway, Bluecrab System

- --- News Report from EEM Eagle Yr 195 / Wk 25 ---

Great celebrations heralded the arrival of Lord Dr. Noa Krieger's wife and
family at EEM Eagle today.  The Lady Gail Krieger and their childern, two
boys, Jas (pronounced "Jase") age 12 and Alx (pronounced "Alex", nickname
"AJ") age 6 and a girl, Kris, age 8, landed in a private yacht to a welcoming
crowd of over 20,000 citizens.  After a few months as Governor of EEM Eagle,
Dr. Krieger and Lady Krieger determined, via commlink, that the colony will
be the new permanent home for this branch of the extensive Krieger family
tree.

Confirming reports that "Lady Gail", as she is already becoming
affectionately known, has acted as a respected advisor to Dr Krieger in the
past,  the Governor has appointed her as Lieutenant Governor of EEM Eagle,
responsible for a large portion of the management of the colony.  This
appointment was met by unanimous approval by all.  Asked by a reporter how he
felt about finally being reunited with his family, Dr. Krieger replied,
"Absolutely fantastic!  This is a day that I've waited for, for a long time.
 However, I guess I may have to cut back on my poker a bit!"  The "poker"
that Dr. Krieger refers to, is a game that is rapidly becoming almost
legendary, it is attended by some of the leaders of the most powerful groups
in space.  Some of the reports that stem from what goes on during the game
border on the fantastic, however, one cannot help but to wonder how much the
"game" of business is often played during the "game" of poker.

This is Samuel Twain, reporting from EEM Eagle......

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From: BeezerCom@aol.com
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 20:26:28 -0400
Subject: Krieger Press

An Open Letter to the Krieger Press:

You muckraking slime!  Your article on page 6 of Volume 14, No. 2 is nothing
but a pack of lies!  I demand a retraction immediately!

Sincerely,
Captain Tyrone Beezer
WCE Disemboweler (92)

p.s. to my customers:  Your deeds are in the mail.  Guaranteed!

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From: TimEnright@aol.com
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 20:36:07 -0400
Subject: Re: BSE: New Who's Who-type l...

for the BSE who's who list:

Tim Enright
timenright@aol.com
WCE

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From: Geoff Hanna <71552.3003@compuserve.com>
Date: 06 Jun 95 22:20:26 EDT
Subject: Fresh bug meat

Of newness to empty vacuum am I, to aim the silver behemoth of going
fastness amongst the tears of the Goddess I will be, Khan'e'Zur, last
of the most recent Blessed Ones, to course with foreknowledge am I
desirous of and to avoid of the unenlightened...

Cheap Queen-blasphemed &%&@# gizmo!

Excuse me, I mean I am Khan'eZur, newly de-crysalized and appointed to
command of the KZK trader Eighth Eye of the Goddess. I wish to ply the
Periphery for the glory and profit of my Queen. I am uncertain of the
ports that will welcome me, and even more wary of those that will not
welcome me.

Please respond with the names and coordinates of colonies that will
accept a KZK trading vessel. Market reports would be even more
appreciated.

If you or your affiliation does not welcome KZK, please be so kind as
to warn me in advance instead of simply shooting me when my vessel appears
by mistake.

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From: Geoff Hanna <71552.3003@compuserve.com>
Date: 06 Jun 95 22:38:10 EDT
Subject: New and stupid (or at least ignorant)

To any kind soul who would be willing to have pity on a poorly informed
newly hatched bug:

I have no maps. None. I want to go places! Really! I do! But I doubt
the efficacy of commands like Jump Somewhere, Anywhere.

Help!

Geoff

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From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@freeside.fc.net>
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 21:58:39 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Wanted: 12,000 Condensed Metals

Like the subject states, my hive has a need for 12,000 Condensed Metals - can
pay stellars or manufactured goods (cyberminds, sonic blasters, spider tanks)
for the material - will provide transport.

H'zk Anachia

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From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@freeside.fc.net>
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 22:45:29 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Sonic Blaster Tech Auction CANCELLED

Sorry, something else a might bit more important has come up that I need
to attend to first, the auction may or may not be resumed afterwards.

Kerry

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From: RFN2@aol.com
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 23:45:01 -0400
Subject: MYR/FET

No problem, M'Lady.

BlackJack

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From: RFN2@aol.com
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 23:44:25 -0400
Subject: Fwd: 'Spur's Actions at Never...

Many of you have asked for an IC response to the Never Here situation,  Den
of Earth asked first so I sent this to him last Sun.  Now I send it out to
ya'll.  Rob
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Forwarded message:
Subj:    'Spur's Actions at Never Here
Date:    95-06-05 00:27:03 EDT
From:    RFN2
To:      Jackmyster
CC:      RFN2

Den of Earth:

Upon reviewing everything we have on the ship's actions, its captain (from
past experiences to psycho-profiles) I am certain of the following:

LCDR. Igor Dragonnesky was born and raised at the colony Kiss and did very
well as he rose through the starcaptain ranks over the last few years.
 Unfortunately; like your FGZ-P, he did not always act with the highest
respect for this office or his superiors in general.  He was one of three
Ultra-Pro-FET/IMP/Human starcaptains in the FET ranks.  He was responsible
for scouting the colony defenses, he was attacked by a ground party calling
itself "Self Defense"; and his response was to set up his own GP (with his
younger brother in charge).  This GP was the FET KLF; and it's instructions
were to attack any "aggressor" that threatened the ship as it left the
colony.  The ship was destroyed (without inflicting ANY damage upon the
colony) as it left the colony.  The KLF, acting out it's instructions from
Igor Dragonnesky, was also destroyed when it attacked the colony (the KLF did
destroy two Ground Bombers which were defending the colony).

Somethings that I believe:  Igor was trying to prove that the colony was
acting/or perpetuating an IMP postable offense -yet, he didn't have time to
prove it.  I think his goal was to keep supplying the KLF, and when the
colony was IMP posted, he would attack.  Also, it is the strong opinion of
this office that the other two starcaptains mentioned above will strongly
examine their current sentiments regarding their ultra conservative beliefs.
 That the rest of the FET will stay neutral in their actions; as long as the
colony is not IMP posted.  And finally; it is my own opinion that Igor acted
in a way that suited himself.  He did what he wanted to do......I remember
him fighting the SSL during the last war, his ship ablaze in the sky above me
as he defended Clove, on the vidscreen in front of me he smiled with an SSL
cigar clenched in his teeth as he gave his best even while receiveing the
same from the SSL......... and in some way I wish that there were more like
him.

We humans do not look at honor with the same eyes that the Flagritz do; so
while it may be clear to you whether LCDR Igor Dragonnesky lived and died
honorably; it will take me a moment to seperate my emotions from the issue,
and then I'll decide.

With hopes that this will do:

Jack "BlackJack" Morgan

FET Periphery Director

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From: wayne.alexander@mercopus.com (Wayne Alexander)
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 95 23:41:00 -0500
Subject: Who's Who List

I think it would be a good idea if those sending Who's Who info to
Kerry if they would include the character name of their senior and/or
political position.  It would enhance the roleplaying and I like to
know who I'm dealing with, so to speak.

Thank you for your time.

Wayne

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From: Richard William Chiang <richc@uclink2.berkeley.edu>
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 22:20:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: WCE Attack

The Ministry of Propaganda released the following Press Bulletin:

QSN PortRude has suffered another attack.  This time forces of the WCE,
Deathhead Brigade, launched an attack on our colony.  We are gladdened to
see the WCE show its colors instead of using surrogates as before.

The Maalox has announced his displeasure at the backtalking the WCE has
used throughout this situation.  The Maalox was quoted saying, "Can't
those people get it straight.  Do they want war or peace?."

The Dreddlox who has primary responsibility for the Transhole was unhappy
to hear this latest development.  The WCE said they would come and
negoiate for PortRude.  At the same time, they launch another attack.
The SMS were lucky we did not sell as they would have bought a conquered
colony.  Until the WCE can get their story straight, the QSN will not
discuss peace.

Lord Anton Qutroh has this statement:

The QSN will strike a blow against oppressive governments who under the
guise of governance take away all rights of its people.  The point of
good government is to create a better place for those they govern where
rights are enhanced not restricted by their governance.  The QSN has had
property that we have owned for some time now striped away and attacked.
Where was the notice of any law being broken.  As far as we can see, the
only law in most of the Transhole is law of dominance (or more simply
what I want is what is correct).  If a government's only basis for
existence is self-preservation and enrichment by the use of force, then
only force will stop them.  The QSN warns all others to beware.  Do not
spend your energies building a life out there as it will only be taken
away when they find it valuable.

Lord Anton Qutroh
Minister of Propaganda

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From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com
Date: Wed, 07 Jun 1995 00:21:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: BSE: RIP Destroy Highports

Not that I care, since the RIP did me a favor by removing something that I
considered a security risk from Jax, and I don't intend to rebuild it either,

But what I found curious about the whole battle was that RTG allowed the
ship to attack multiple hiports before triggering the battle.  As I understand
the rules, it attacks one hiport, triggering battle. Colony fires, ship dies,
that simple.  Yet here it was allowed to attack "2" hiports first, without
triggering a battle with any of the 3 colonies on the planet (all target RIP)
or the ICN DN in orbit (run by a veteran player, not a newbie, fully
decked out and targetting RIP), or the USS warships in orbit (both
capital ships).  Assuming the ship entered orbit cloaked (most likely
way to avoid instant triggering of a battle), then it would be blind
as the cloak also blocks it's own sensors (no sensors, not able to
see what it's shooting at).  It drops the cloak, then the colonies &
ships see it.  RTG, is this another change?  Can a ship now clear
out multiple hiports before dying?  If so I have some ideas of my own
here.

Steve

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From: Christopher Allen <gtt-pd@consensus.com>
Date: Tue, 6 Jun 1995 23:37:41 -0700
Subject: Re: BSE: Wanted: 12,000 Condensed Metals

At 7:58 PM 6/6/95, Kerry Harrison wrote:
>Like the subject states, my hive has a need for 12,000 Condensed Metals - can
>pay stellars or manufactured goods (cyberminds, sonic blasters, spider tanks)
>for the material - will provide transport.

Gaspree currently has 32,000 MUs available now of Condensed Metals on it's
market at 5 stellars, as well as Condensed Fossil Fuels at 5 and Condensed
Fissionables at 10 (if the order went through -- never tried this one
before and my printout doesn't come back for a couple of weeks to know for
sure.) We also have 32,000 Korondite at 5 stellars and 32,000 Processed
Thorlium for sale at 25.

Gaspree has at least 3,000 MUs of all Appendix J common items at 5 stellars
per MU (slightly more if they require rare-metals to make), and most
non-combat items I have as much as 32,000 MUs. Some rarer items such as
Assault Tanks and Pulsar Tanks are on sale as well in small quantities.

I have buy orders for all of the rare metals except Korondite and Thorlium,
as well as a number of rare items.

I don't currently have buy orders for cyberminds, sonic blasters, and
spider tanks, but would be willing to put them on the buy list if you will
help me determine a price.

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