BSE Digest v195 #223 From: kerry@freeside.fc.net (Kerry Harrison) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 1995 00:00:00 +0000 BSE Digest Thursday, 15 June 1995 Volume 195 : Number 223 Welcome to the BSE Digest, the place to discuss all the myriad aspects of life Beyond the Stellar Empire with other denizens of the Greater Periphery. In this issue: + Re: BSE: DARK NOVA / Imp. Law #24 + Re: BSE: Web Browsers + Re: BSE: Items for the Homepage + BSE: New Update to GTT Profile 26.195 + The Mighty Mice + Re: BSE: The Mighty Mice + BSE: QSN PortRude + BSE: Variant Historical BSE + Re: BSE: New Update to GTT Profile 26.195 + Re: #1(2) BSE Digest V195 #222 + UK-BSE maps available on web + BSE: New Update to GTT Profile 26.195 -Reply + Re: Space battle at Hammerfest + Re: BSE: Variant Historical BSE + Re: BSE: Re: #1(2) BSE Digest V195 #222 + unsubscribe bse.list + BSE:Colony Turns + Re: BSE: WCE Charges Against He-whose-n + [none] + Buying Fissionables See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the bse-list or bse-digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kevin Curnutt <kcurnutt@metronet.com> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 13:10:01 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BSE: DARK NOVA / Imp. Law #24 On Tue, 13 Jun 1995, Russ Boggs wrote: > I wonder what the Emperor Jasil thinks about it? > > --MacBeth > (aka Russ Boggs) Russ, I heard Jasil was deposed in favor of the House of Rolling Thunder and Emperor Pete. <g> Kevin ------------------------------ From: NoaKrieger@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 21:24:53 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Web Browsers NetScape mostly, sometimes Mosaic ------------------------------ From: RFN2@aol.com Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 22:22:35 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Items for the Homepage Well; I can't say that I know much about homepages or templates....but if ya'll are patient I'm sure I could have some fun stumbling through it all. Count me in; Rob Neal ------------------------------ From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 23:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: BSE: New Update to GTT Profile 26.195 > been seen as the power behind the throne. However, GTT has recently > been frustrated by recent IMP rules and regulations that seem to be There are no recent IMP rules and regulations. The newest one is almost a year old. "pleasure slaves". > an attempt to keep the GTT from direct contact with the Emperor. Thus bull! > of the Empire. This potential instability not only may cause harm to > the Emperor, but also threatens profitability. This is of significant > concern to the GTT. Profit! the real truth. > Historically allied with the SSL, the GTT has good relations with > most affiliations. Among GTT recent allies were two warring factions; > the QSN and WCE. A good relationship with both put GTT in a poor > position between. In addition, the WCE had support by treaty of IMP > against the QSN--so when IMP came a calling, the GTT for the first > time had to turn them down. This has lead to GTT's new policy to > expand it's stabilizing influence outside of the Periphery and into > both the Trans-Hole and Trans-Canally regions. Chris, No such "treaty" support existed, nor did Wayne or I call on the GTT for help. We remained neutral in the conflict. If you're gonna put my affil. in your profile, then please use the facts, not made up stuff. Steve ------------------------------ From: "Hendrick,Bill;=9462771" <BHENDRICK@kean.ucs.mun.ca> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 01:08:01 +0200 (IST) Subject: The Mighty Mice The Mighty Mice are currently looking for head coach for the team. A past winning record is important, but since we are just starting out we may not be able to afford the best. Please send resumes to this office. Der Laul Acting GM ------------------------------ From: "Hendrick,Bill;=9462771" <BHENDRICK@kean.ucs.mun.ca> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 01:15:30 +0200 (IST) Subject: Re: BSE: The Mighty Mice Almost forgot to mention. We are also holding cheerleading tryouts. Der Laul Acting GM ------------------------------ From: StephMarte@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 01:55:02 -0400 Subject: BSE: QSN PortRude >As the Vodqyn Family originally settled PortRude, and as >the author of the Treaty of Co-Prosperity between the SMS >and the QSN, let me refresh what has become history, >sometimes re-written. >PortRude was originally founded by the QSN & my family >in the year 191 as memory serves me under direct provisions >in the above Treaty. The Quman side included gifts of ships >and the promise to defend the Porkamo Stargate to enable >free trade between Porkamo Base and the Periphery. In >exchange, the SMS granted land and support for the building >of PortRude past what my family shipped in from Drell. These >provisions of course globally included on both sides mutual defence. >Ninyard Vodqyn Mr. Vodqyn, Thank you for letting me know the circumstances of PortRude's construction. Perhaps you can answer another question. After the 50 ship QSN attack on WCE Soul Cage in 194, why are the Qumans suddenly so shocked at our attack on PortRude? Turn the situation around. If a WCE fleet struck into the heart of the Drell System and also had a base in the Drell System - would you continue to let it exist? Sincerely, Sir Arthur Curry WCE Secretary For War ------------------------------ From: StephMarte@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 01:52:15 -0400 Subject: BSE: Variant Historical BSE Kerry, Wow! Interesting idea. Put me down for one ship. <Hmm... didn't I say that about regular BSE about 6 months ago.><g> I wonder what would happen if the KTR and ERN won the war? It would upset history, wouldn't it? Just for the record, there were no Imperials in 095. The United Earth Republic military wing was referred to as the RSN, Republic Space Navy. As a direct result of the war in 095 Lord Justin declared himself Emperor in 106. >Affiliations in the game will be IMP, EEM, SSL, USS, SMS, >& GTT (all with somewhat different special abilities then what >they have in the current game). Alien races will be the KTR >(Kutarians), ERN (Erinyes), & MIR (Mirraaf). The USS didn't exist. The USS came into being from a merger of the QFP and WCE in 183. Might just want to replace USS with the old Quasar Food Production (QFP). The only other company mentioned in the History during these times was the WCE. Here are a few excerpts from the history about the times: 076.06 A second mission to New Harmony led by Cdr Rourke O'Brien is met by an attack from three alien space craft. The aliens inflict light damage on three of O'Brien's vessels, while the corvettes succeed in destroying two alien war galleys. Later it is learned these three ships belong to the Kutarians (KTR), an alien race of reptilian superwarriors. 079. Investigating wild rumors of mineral riches in New Harmony, the IND Romanov enters orbit of Gerafergf and witnesses a fleet of KTR craft launching a ground assault on a Mirraaf city. Lt. Ramadan and the Romanov return to Earth claiming New Harmony is rich in pulac and thorlium. 081. The surveyors GTT Dragonne & GTT Zortek are the first vessels to enter the Eridanus System. Upon entering the orbit of Kutark the GTT ships unknowingly enter KTR space. Both starships are fired upon by KTR Sapphire. The Zortek is destroyed while the Dragonne successfully flees. 082. The House of Lords appoints Lord Gression, govenor of WIL Syntax,ambassador to the Kutark, and Lord Silinus Silk of WCE Tranquility as emissary to the Mirraaf. 083. Lord Silk reports to the House of Lords the MIR resemble an inverted turnip, live on high gravity worlds, and are more intelligent than humans - but do not posses jump tech. According to Lord Silk teh KTR have been feeding on the MIR for centuries. The MIR request the United Earth either protect them from the KTR or sell them jump tech. 083. The development of the destroyer class warship by the EEM. 084. Lord Gression negotiates a peace treaty with the KTR. Upon returning to Earth, Gression informs the HOL the KTR are a race of reptilian superwarriors roughly twice the size of a man. Gression states the KTR mercenaries appear invincible, but notes their space technology is behind that of the UE. After serious debate, the UE Parliment stands by their decision to stay out of alien affairs. 086. EEM Director Turgenev covertly sells jump engines to the MIR in return for pulsar beam tech. 086. The MIR evacuate Gerafergf and move to Angrbods, a hi-G world in the Vela System. 091. A KTR fleet of frigates (4-12-5) enters the orbit of Morgana in the Ymjri System and bombards GTT Lucifer's Way. The surprise attack kills over 1000 colonists. A second raid, on QFP Tate, also in Ymjri, leaves the UE stunned. 091. Prime Minister Turgenev declares Martial Law. With the support of Parliment, Turgenev announces the creation of the Republic Space Navy (RSN). At the request of the HOL, Capt. Rourke O'Brien takes charge of the fleet. 092-94 In the initial phases of the war the KTR capture UE colonies in the Pyxis and Vela Systems. The KTR are supported by alien mercenaries, the feline Erinyes (ERN) of ERN New Anchorage in the Cetus System. The ERN are carnivorous and rumors concerning the grisely fate of human captives shock the United Earth Republic. ------------------------------ From: Christopher Allen <gtt-pd@consensus.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 00:34:50 -0700 Subject: Re: BSE: New Update to GTT Profile 26.195 At 8:13 PM 6/14/95, LUDENDORF@delphi.com wrote: >> been seen as the power behind the throne. However, GTT has recently >> been frustrated by recent IMP rules and regulations that seem to be > >There are no recent IMP rules and regulations. The newest one is almost >a year old. "pleasure slaves". > >> an attempt to keep the GTT from direct contact with the Emperor. Thus > >bull! > >> of the Empire. This potential instability not only may cause harm to >> the Emperor, but also threatens profitability. This is of significant >> concern to the GTT. > >Profit! the real truth. > >> Historically allied with the SSL, the GTT has good relations with >> most affiliations. Among GTT recent allies were two warring factions; >> the QSN and WCE. A good relationship with both put GTT in a poor >> position between. In addition, the WCE had support by treaty of IMP >> against the QSN--so when IMP came a calling, the GTT for the first >> time had to turn them down. This has lead to GTT's new policy to >> expand it's stabilizing influence outside of the Periphery and into >> both the Trans-Hole and Trans-Canally regions. > >No such "treaty" support existed, nor did Wayne or I call on the >GTT for help. We remained neutral in the conflict. If you're gonna >put my affil. in your profile, then please use the facts, not made >up stuff. [OOC] I re-wrote the history part of that profile last fall and it was posted on this list and via ftp last January. The part regarding the emperor was largely based on my personal experience with those who shall remain nameless -- they had taken away items and technologies from GTT colonies, did not allow our 'historic' relationship with the empire to really mean anything in game terms. Thus feeling disadvanged compared to alien affiliations in recruiting new players, I started GTT on the course that it is on now. This is in no way a reflection on you out-of-character or in-character -- instead, it was the only way I could express in an "in-character" way GTT's problem with having in it's original profile the "advantage" of being "the power behind the throne" of the Empire largely mean nothing to those who shall remain nameless, and still remain largely useless today. There is no way in game terms that GTT can use it's millions of stellars and large production capacity to directly influence the Emperor -- we have to do everything through IMP officials such as you, and you are not empowered (nor incentivized) to really do much to help us more than any other chartered company. Thus the "in-character" frustration expressed in the profile. Regarding the "IMP came a calling" -- this was the way that it was reported to me by the previous PD regarding the last WCE/QSN shindig under pre-RTG management, not the current one in which you are remaining neutral. Didn't you request access to the GTT hull account from the previous PD, and wasn't it refused by him? But the history needs re-working anyway ;-) I just wish you had said something about it in January when I first released the revised profile to the list, or one of the times that I sent it to new players also via the list. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ .. Marshall Whispers, Chairman & CEO aka Christopher Allen .. .. Galactic Transport & Trade 4104-24th Street #391 .. .. GTT HQ, GTT Colony Gaspree (#1656) San Francisco, CA 94114-3615 .. .. Petroom (#2713) in Newbian System (#2) home 415/647-6401 .. .. <GTT-PD@consensus.com> No calls after 9pm or before 9am Pacific! .. ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 07:32:56 -0400 Subject: Re: #1(2) BSE Digest V195 #222 Shouldn't this last Digest be called the GTT Digest? Geez....<g> Bests- J. P.S. Kerry, one more post of a non-BSE subject, and we're going to remove your name from the list!<gg> ------------------------------ From: Bent C Dalager <bcd@pvv.unit.no> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 13:48:41 +0200 (MET DST) Subject: UK-BSE maps available on web Some of you might be interested in this. It might even inspire someone to do something similiar (or better) for your new US-BSE homepages. I have just finished putting hypertext versions of the UK-BSE system maps of the Capellan and Darkfold peripheries on the net. They can be accessed through the SMS homepage at http://www.pvv.unit.no/~bcd/BSEstuff/BSE.html or directly at http://www.pvv.unit.no/~bcd/BSEstuff/CPmap.html The CPmap page contains a 40k imagemap you may want to skip loading if your link is bad. The page supports text browsers, so there shouldn't be much of a problem. Doesn't look or feel so chic without the imagemap though ... I am very interested in what kind of access times you get and how long it takes from you finish downloading the imagemap to it gets displayed (this seems to hog down the web-browser), so if you check it out, could you please mail me on the below address and tell me what you think. Thanks. Also, please note that there are a handful of systems I do not have the system maps for, these will display empty systems or incomplete maps. Cheers, Bent D - --- Bent Dalager, Ign. Techn. University of Trondheim, Norway. bcd@pvv.unit.no Become an ignorant technocrat you too !!! DISCLAIMER: I disclaim. <a href="http://www.pvv.unit.no/~bcd/meg.html">My WWW homepage</a> ------------------------------ From: PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AL.WPAFB.AF.MIL Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 08:10:40 -0400 Subject: BSE: New Update to GTT Profile 26.195 -Reply If any such treaty existed, I am not aware of it. The only IMP-WCE treaty that existed at the time allowed the WCE to place colonies in Imperial Space, and the IMP to place colonies in WCE space. Even this treaty had expired. Phil K. ------------------------------ From: Michael.Keane@maf.nasa.gov Date: 15 Jun 95 08:08:08 -0600 Subject: Re: Space battle at Hammerfest On 13 Jun 1995 LUDENDORF@delphi.com (Steve Mathews) sent: >Read your own profile demon, the only manhours available at a FOE colony >are from "slaves". Celtians in chains, forced at gunpoint to build a colony >are still slaves, whatever you chose to call them, but they will shortly be >freed. > >Graf von Monts > >> Typically brave Imperial leader, cowering in the main section while his ship >> is attacked and derelicted, his crew is killed, and he must be rescued by >> others. > >You can't derelict a ship so long as there are crew alive... and there were. > >> Fight better and talk less. > >Practice what ya preach... to date, you've lost every battle. > von Monts, Wrong as usual. Stop listening to all the IMPy propaganda and open your eyes. FOE allies are no different that IMP allies, they recognize power and try to benefit from it (okay, FOE allies are smarter, but your allies scream better when interrogated). Who doesn't controls Undersea Base? Who admitted to having to send crew to a derelicted ship? Who has tied up a significant percentage of their warships over a low value world in a fringe system? Who can't control pirates and IND in their home systems? I give you a hint: it ain't FOE. M'Dol FVF (Foelian Volunteer Forces) (OOC Steve, my colonists have produced man-hours since I join the FOE. I don't know if this was true before RTG took over or not. Retribution had 80 colonist and *no* slaves or demons, live with it. My battle report showed that the ISP Braunschweig was derelicted. So either Flinn is a coward or he is dead, pretending the DN was not derelicted means RTG lied to me or screwed up. Your choice, but my FOE characters consider him killed by the Celtians. Later, Mike K.) ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@freeside.fc.net> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 11:27:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Variant Historical BSE On Thu, 15 Jun 1995 StephMarte@aol.com wrote: > Wow! Interesting idea. Yep, that's what I'm thinking. > Put me down for one ship. <Hmm... didn't I say that about > regular BSE about 6 months ago.><g> Yes, I do remember you saying that. > I wonder what would happen if the KTR and ERN won the > war? It would upset history, wouldn't it? That's the plan, the KTR & ERN fought the proto-IMPs to a standstill and both the alien governments are currently (in this scenario) on an even power level with the IMPs - an interesting consence of this is that the IMPs don't control the Lyra system (the gateway to the CP). The MIR or loosely allied with the IMP but desire to remain neutral. > Just for the record, there were no Imperials in 095. The United > Earth Republic military wing was referred to as the RSN, > Republic Space Navy. As a direct result of the war in 095 > Lord Justin declared himself Emperor in 106. Since the UE didn't do so hot (Earth got seriously hit by terror weapons) and the IMP was founded a bit early in this variant then in "real" history. > The USS didn't exist. The USS came into being from > a merger of the QFP and WCE in 183. Might just want to > replace USS with the old Quasar Food Production (QFP). > The only other company mentioned in the History during > these times was the WCE. This USS is formed by a merger of QFP & WCE in the aftermath of the war. Kerry PS. It's a variant some things are the same, some are very different. <g> ------------------------------ From: kazerack@ix.netcom.com (Kerry Harrison ) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 12:34:08 -0700 Subject: Re: BSE: Re: #1(2) BSE Digest V195 #222 You wrote: >Shouldn't this last Digest be called the GTT Digest? >Geez....<g> It wasn't quite that bad. >P.S. Kerry, one more post of a non-BSE subject, and we're going to >remove your name from the list!<gg> Har har. Kerry ------------------------------ From: "T. Scholl" <ts5@mail.evansville.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 14:37:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: unsubscribe bse.list ------------------------------ From: "Richard A. Loutzenheiser" <76311.2317@compuserve.com> Date: 15 Jun 95 18:27:55 EDT Subject: BSE:Colony Turns I just wanted to say that I would really be in favour of getting a colony printout everytime I accumulated 30 orders. Also it would be interesting to get one if production halted for lack of an item or if the queue was empty. I think if printout frequency is to go up then we must expand the length of the queue. 10 items can be hard enough now. ------------------------------ From: rboggs@isisph.com (Russ Boggs) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 15:34:58 -0700 Subject: Re: BSE: WCE Charges Against He-whose-n >> Yeah, but he wasn't WCE in those days. How about MacBeth or, better still, >> Charles Xavier? > >Russ, > >It's important that RTG (in this case, Chas. Xavier) stay out of this totaly, >for business reasons, and other considerations. >Remember, who they're licensing this game from <g>. > >Steve Steve, Actually, I don't think that they are *licensing* anything. My understanding is that they bought the puppy. Now, on the other hand, I didn't expect C.X. to actually say anything. But I figured that if MacBeth was going to open his mouth, then CX deserved a chance. But the guilty plea makes it all a moot point. (sigh) - --Russ ------------------------------ From: George Hammond <gstarrh@umich.edu> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 21:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [none] help ------------------------------ From: StuKrieger@aol.com Date: Thu, 15 Jun 1995 22:26:46 -0400 Subject: Buying Fissionables Hypso wishes to acquire 100,000 mu of fissionables. Market program restrictions limit max. # to 30,000 mu, but will renew demand after first 30,000mu are purchased/acquired. I am looking for a long term vendor(s) for fissionables, processed or raw thorlium, and additional metals by way of RTS or Teleporter link to Hypso. I have the teleporters, so anyone in the Capellan system is welcome to contact me by whatever means suits them best to discuss a deal or deals. As a basis for calculation assume that Hypso has only 3,000 factories. Thank you for your assistance. Lord Stu Krieger, EEM CEO Governor, EEM Hypso (4802) aka Wayne J Alexander 506 W 122nd Av - Tampa, FL 33612-4107 Voice: (813)933-4759 (before midnight EST Mon-Fri & much later on wkends) Email: wayne.alexander@mercopus.com StuKrieger@aol.com ------------------------------ End of BSE Digest V195 #223 *************************** BSE Digest - All items Copyright (c) 1995, by their respective authors, permission is granted to redistribute as long as proper credit is given. To subscribe to BSE Digest, send the command: + subscribe bse-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@fc.net". 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