BSE Digest v195 #231 From: kerry@freeside.fc.net (Kerry Harrison) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 1995 00:00:00 +0000 BSE Digest Thursday, 22 June 1995 Volume 195 : Number 231 Welcome to the BSE Digest, the place to discuss all the myriad aspects of life Beyond the Stellar Empire with other denizens of the Greater Periphery. In this issue: + WCE and cultural diversity + Re: BSE:Origins + Re: BSE: Buying Fissionables + Translator settins + BSE: Shawn T. + BSE:IMP Announcement + Re: BSE:Origins + Re: BSE: IMP shooting IND + BSE $$$ + Re: BSE: WCE and cultural diversity + BSE: Newbies + Re: BSE: IMP shooting IND + Battle at Hammerfest + Re: BSE: Cevene + BSE: Battle at Hammerfest + Re: BSE: Cevene + Re: BSE: IMP shooting IND + Re: BSE: IMP shooting IND + Re: BSE: BSE $$$ + Re: BSE: IMP shooting IND + IMP shooting IND See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the bse-list or bse-digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: ronk@triassic-142.Eng.Sun.COM (Ron Kleinman) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 17:54:59 -0700 Subject: WCE and cultural diversity >> ENS Ross is the first of his family to graduate the academy (but not >>the first to enter, big brother Jeremiah is currently in his 3rd repeat of >>the mandatory cultural diversity course). Dear Ensign Jebediah Ross, Considering the current xenophobic attitude of the WCE hierarchy towards the entire Quman race (they admit a fondness for collecting "Quman Pelts"), it is hard to believe that "Cultural Diversity" is a mandatory course requirement for aspiring WCE ensigns. Perhaps the course simply concentrates on identifying the respective differences between WCE women, pleasure slaves and pleasure sheep. In that case the struggles of your brother with this course would appear to be quite understandable. Welcome to the periphery. Too bad you picked the bad guys. "Quman Pelts" indeed! Humph. Sincerely, Nicholas Van Rijn MerchantPerson QSN Blue Whale ------------------------------ From: Henry4633@aol.com Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 21:19:26 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE:Origins Ha Let do some good game now and stop bull. Peter ------------------------------ From: ac217@detroit.freenet.org (Chip Charnley) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 21:49:08 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Buying Fissionables >Brad, > I do this stuff for a living. In fact, with a program this >complicated, an apparently simple act like changing a variable from a 2 byte >value ( max around 30K signed ) to a 4 byte variable ( max about 2 gig ) can >have all sorts of unplanned side effects, starting with how the number is >stored on the hard drive. If you pack the values for maximum efficiency, you >have to do some sort of translation from the old format to the new format >(you just made it at least 2 more bytes per record), and rework the >read/write to disk code. Also, if the code made any other assumptions about >the size of that var (and it is often done), those assumptions would now be >broken. And we have not gotten to all the related variables that would have >to be grown to accomodate the larger numbers possible. > > Dale Pennington > (Software Engineer). > Thanks Dale. Couldn't have said it better myself. Chip ------------------------------ From: Geoff Hanna <71552.3003@compuserve.com> Date: 21 Jun 95 23:17:42 EDT Subject: Translator settins Mssr. Guido: <fumbling with Translator Chip setting control> Is dis da one youse guys wanted? Dere's a whole pack a' dese tings, a guy could get dis-combobalated tryin' ta figger 'em all out! Oops! <accidentally flips control to new position> Ooh.. Yeeeah... baby baby baby... oh god! yes! Yes! YES! Oh god oh god oh god... <notices unexpected change in setting control position. Hurriedly flips it off> To be of strangeness is setting control position '69'. Of TallPaleOnes to understand? Naming of blessed Kazerack over and over? Possessing of purpose and of this dialect not of this one's knowingness. Perhap if one Bug to possess of more advanging age and then to being of understandedness? Your confused Bug, D'zk Khan'e'Zur KZK Eighth Eye of the Goddess ------------------------------ From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 23:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Subject: BSE: Shawn T. > FYI: If there had been any link between the IND Star Destroyer and FGZ > Sumar, the Ataman would have supported the IMPs attack of the colony... Clarification: There has been no attack on Sumar, nor is one planned. IC, the IMP doesn't know Sumar is involved...yet. I've still got a few more tricks to try... like subjecting the imprisoned crew to a mind scan by some Yerties. Steve ------------------------------ From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 23:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: BSE:IMP Announcement > ><Dr Birchard> Thank you Monsuir <OOC: no complaints about the > spelling, I don't speak frog> > > After all those years working for Guizot and you still can't spell Monsieur. > I > guess it back to the academy for a refresher course for you <G>. Dick, Be glad I didn't use your old nemesis, (and Dr. Birchard's boss years ago), Lord Frieherr von der Goltz. The post would've been so thick with German language, you wouldn't have been able to read it. <g> Steve ------------------------------ From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com Date: Wed, 21 Jun 1995 23:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: BSE:Origins I won't be going to Origins, so whoever does... stop by the ABM booth and flip off Fat-boy for me (be sure to tell him it's from me). Some rotten fruit tossed in his general direction would be nice also. <g> Steve ------------------------------ From: SYoung3200@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 00:52:24 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: IMP shooting IND I as a very new player didnt realize that imp colonies dont have market places( no im not stupid,, just not done with the rules yet). ever heard of stopping by to see whats going on. why not inform new players occasionally that youll shoot them on site. if i had been fired on and then been told that imps shoot at all inds i would have told you all to go to hell (no disrespect intended) and gone on to a game that gives me a chance to learn before blowing me away. under imp law 24-if ind isnt an affiliation ,how do you target ind as a whole. i guess your philosophy is since one person cheated (re:samms) lets just kill of all the new players unless they join us and do what we say,that way we dont have to worry about them.and you people wonder why you dont get slews of new players .sounds like the same philosophy as those who stand trial on the list. shawn young ------------------------------ From: wayne.alexander@mercopus.com (Wayne Alexander) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 95 23:43:00 -0500 Subject: BSE $$$ Dear Mr. Bug, I had to ask Rlo (of all people) to help translate your missive, as his manservant, Myron, apparently understands KZK, having been a chew toy of a warrior, early on in his career. Everyone has equal access to gaining power. It's called communication and newbies who want to get ahead make connections, keep those lines of communication open (humans call it networking) and make themselves useful to their superiors. In time, if the above is done correctly the superiors promote you, ordain you, and look upon you with great favor. The "equal chances" are there if one decides to grasp them. A newbie will *NEVER* get ahead by sitting on the sidelines, ignoring contacts, and in general going unseen and unheard. If you want to get ahead then make yourself known, ask for assignments, successfully complete them and ask for more. Promise no more than you can deliver and deliver on your promises. Be willing to walk in the other guy's shoes and see the value in a reasonable compromise. Never assume you can go it alone, because that is exactly what you will be - alone. Never let them see you sweat. Brush after every meal. Pick up after yourself. Clean your room. Ooops, sorry, got carried away. That is how getting ahead is done in the human community. I do not presume to know how bugs do it, although I am told that it involves licking the Queen and pointing workers towards clover patches. But, I could be wrong. Lord Stu Krieger, EEM CEO (with help from Rlo & Co.) - --- . QMPro 1.53 . There's nothing like the personal touch of a hired goon. - ---- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | Mercury Opus BBS - St. Petersburg, Florida, USA - +1-813-321-0734 | | (Please do not send any attached or uuencoded files to this address.) | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: tandmb@sierra.net (Tony B.) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 00:40:26 -0700 Subject: Re: BSE: WCE and cultural diversity > Welcome to the periphery. Too bad you picked the bad guys. Umm - Nicky, "bad" is a relative term. I'm fairly sure that a lot of folks would define sentients (to use the term loosely) who continually change the facts around to try to win arguments as "bad" too. > "Quman Pelts" indeed! Humph. They're MUCH softer than toilet paper! (grin) ENS Kring ** Famous Last Words #20: "Who's the b*tch with the spiders???" ** ------------------------------ From: tandmb@sierra.net (Tony B.) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 00:51:06 -0700 Subject: BSE: Newbies Looking at the arguments (and whines) presented, I can only state that you MUST get in touch with your PD (or at least an established player or two) and keep them lines of communication open! I agree with Lord Krieger to a great extent. I also think a new player going IND is silly (at the very least). And poking your nose in somewhere before getting at least _some_ idea of what's going on is - well, kinda dumb...but then I've done several stupid things in my life myself. (To head off commentary from the pinheads; no, I don't consider going FGZ to be one of them. So there.) My two centistellars, anyway. ENS Kring ** Famous Last Words #20: "Who's the b*tch with the spiders???" ** ------------------------------ From: Law2Be@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 07:29:44 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: IMP shooting IND Steve, Are you saying that if an IND ship visits a planet to try prospecting, and only your IMP military base is on planet, that the colony will "protect" the PLANET by firing on an IND ship? I understand the need for action, but just because one does not posses an Imperial charter or Visa is not sufficient grounds for termination without due process. I am however, all for requiring that all IND ships be purchased/aquired in a manner that would be in keeping with a seperate character/persona, rather than someone just choosing to turn on/off thier transponder. Changing affs is a serious matter, be it from IMP to RIP, or QSN to IND. Having a character switch affs mid-turn must be prohibited. While there is a place for ANY player to have an IND position, it should be clear that such is a totally different character. I for one wish to use an IND position for exploration of space potentially hostile to Imperially chartered affs, and/or the SMS in particular. As such, I will commission such a vessel from an appropriate source, and it will live it's entire life as an INDie. It will be treated by my other characters as a hired position in the employ of the SMS, without being affiliated. I feel the proliferation of IND positions is out of control, but can be turned into something useful, and as such, should not be prohibited as in the past. Rick Burningham ------------------------------ From: Michael.Keane@maf.nasa.gov Date: 22 Jun 95 07:53:38 -0600 Subject: Battle at Hammerfest On Tue, 20 June 1995 LUDENDORF@delphi.com (S. Mathews) sent: >> No battle report yet (just got a couple of regular turns for week 23). >> Don't be too surprised, there isn't anything in the starport (or there >> shouldn't be when you get there). > >Mike, >No big thing... I guess they're trying to break their record. In the battle >where you attacked the ISP Kronprinz with your IND ship, it took them >15 days to send me a copy of the battle (first I heard of it was when you >posted the results), and the record is 16 days, from the same battle, >on the copy going to Wayne A. (EEM). > >Steve Steve, Having it come through the second slowest U.S. Post Office main branch in the country (New Orleans in '93, the last year for data) should give me a good shot at breaking Wayne's record. I'll post it as soon as it shows up (if you haven't posted it first). Later. Mike K. ps It wasn't my baseship (yeah, yeah, I know I can't prove it but you've been having problems with other IND, you might want to consider who else could have gotten a baseship.) ------------------------------ From: btb4@lehigh.edu (B T Braun) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 15:46:12 EDT Subject: Re: BSE: Cevene Dr. Birchard, Yeah, so what's it FEEL like, man? I mean, is it a good high, or what? ENS Lester, USS Psychotic Vista Be seeing you, Brad Braun btb4@lehigh.edu ///////////////////*********************************************\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ USS: Sheepwrights to the stars since 186. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------ From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: BSE: Battle at Hammerfest > ps It wasn't my baseship (yeah, yeah, I know I can't prove it but you've > been having problems with other IND, you might want to consider who > else could have gotten a baseship.) Mike, The week after it was destroyed, a message appeared on another players printout. The kind of message that RTG should have clipped off, as it was a message from the computer to the GM... "Positions killed on..." print. The BS was listed with your name attached to it. I've seen the same listing myself once before... when you built that first firebase (the one that targeted at "0%") and it was killed. IC, it wasn't FOE, but OOC it was yours. Steve ------------------------------ From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Cevene > Dr. Birchard, > > Yeah, so what's it FEEL like, man? I mean, is it a good high, or what? > > ENS Lester, USS Psychotic Vista Monseuir Lester, Feel? How you native English speakers say "touch"? What's it touch like? Pardonez mois, but I do not understand, monseuir. Dr. Birchard <g> ------------------------------ From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:26:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: BSE: IMP shooting IND > Are you saying that if an IND ship visits a planet to try prospecting, and > only your IMP military base is on planet, that the colony will "protect" the Rick, This is only happening at ICN Samms (Quellon, Capellan system). IND are not being shot at (in orbit) anywhere else (except for those on the IMP posted list). Now, I will not remove IND from the ground enemy list of IMP colonies as it has existed on most of 'em for years. > PLANET by firing on an IND ship? I understand the need for action, but just Not every IND will be killed. For example, the owner of the IND Dark Nova contacted me and explained his presence. His ship was added to Samm's defend list so that it wouldn't be fired on. That simple, identify and justify. But coming in unannounced is suicide. Steve ------------------------------ From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:27:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: BSE: IMP shooting IND Shawn, > I as a very new player didnt realize that imp colonies dont have market > places( no im not stupid,, just not done with the rules yet). ever heard of Just as with all colonies in the game, IMP colonies have a market if the colony governor chose to have one. Some IMP colonies that I own do not have markets because I chose for them not to have any. A select few are also closed military bases (IE & OOC: FT Hood is an open US Army base... you can literally as a civilian drive in and around it. Redstone Arsenal is a closed base, If you aren't military, don't have a set of orders for the base, and don't have at least a military "confidential" security clearance, you're not getting on the base.) > stopping by to see whats going on. why not inform new players occasionally > that youll shoot them on site. if i had been fired on and then been told that Simple, I made a public announcement here. Almost every affil. in the game is represented here. Most of the veteran players here are political leaders in their respective affil., or at least influential. Here's where communication comes in. You talk with your particular affil.'s leaders... they tell you stuff like Samm's targets IND, Tenhouser, Friday & Quantico are closed bases, Castle Amber & Independence will attack anyone who tries to force entry into their respective moonships (you can't land *IN* a snittian moonship without either the p/u code or an FFN.), and Market Garden will target anyone stupid enough to try and crash through it's planetary force field (what's left of the ship after the FF repels the ship). I also own IMP Jax. As a newbie, you've probably visited it. Were you "shot on site"? > why you dont get slews of new players .sounds like the same philosophy as Actually I have quite a few new players... thanks for inquiring. Steve <except for a little sarcasm in the last, no hostility intended> ------------------------------ From: Law2Be@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:54:44 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: BSE $$$ <flame on> Guys (especially Chip!), It is not necessary to quote an entire (long) message to remind people what you are talking about, especially when the message is directed to one person. We are all (I think) smart people here, so just a 1-5 line quote is more than enough for most of us to remember the message we read 5 minutes ago, or at most 2 days. If we really want to read the whole damn thing, WE'LL JUST BACK UP TO IT! As I've stated before, some of us are out in the boondocks, and limited to slow modems. It is an unnecessary waste of bandwidth, especially when you include the bloody BBS footer as well! In short, keep quoting to an absolute minimum PLEASE! Thank ya'll <flame off> Rick Burningham ------------------------------ From: Law2Be@aol.com Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 21:55:03 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: IMP shooting IND Steve, As the new guy, SYoung3200 pointed out, as well as others in a roundabout way, it is ILLEGAL for IMPs to target all IND! Yeppers, only Imperial posted positions and AFFILIATIONS can be posted. By definition, IND is NOT an aff! Posting of IND must-must-must-must be done on a by-position basis. It sucks, but you are innocent until proven guilty. If this was not the case, we could have started on IND Pittsburg years ago, but the IMPs (as well of our own sense of fair role-playing) forced us to PROVE it was RIP before conducting military operations. I feel for ya guy, but dems the breaks buddy, Rick ------------------------------ From: "Cap'n Scragg" <scragg@infi.net> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 22:20:07 +0000 Subject: IMP shooting IND If any of my IND ships get shot at by any colony I can guarantee that the offending affiliation is going to be undertaking a new highport construction program. I can build wargalleys all day, run them into orbits of planets with orders (special action) to target the highport of any colony that engages the ship. So if you ultra paranoids want to nuke IND ships be prepared to build new highports and replace tons of missiles. Oh, and I'll come back multiple times, war galleys are real cheap. Have a nice day ------------------------------ End of BSE Digest V195 #231 *************************** BSE Digest - All items Copyright (c) 1995, by their respective authors, permission is granted to redistribute as long as proper credit is given. 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