Re: AG: heavy weapons

From: lepag001@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Garrett R Le-Page)

Date: Thu, 22 Jun 1995 00:00:00 +0000

"T. Woods" <twoods@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> writes:

>On 21 Jun 1995, David G. Saville wrote:

(talks about starting new Heavy weapons)

>	I think if these weapons come out ALOT of characters are going to
>do this, at least to see how these weapons work.  Once these weapons
>become established there will be some changing of strategies, though it
>will take time to see how successful these weapons are.  Look at martial
>arts?  It was a great idea, but I don't know of many (and almost no
>decent) characters that use martial art attacks as their main attack
>form.

Bumble will switch to a H. Flail, that is for sure.

Fed Drappel does Kick almost exclusively on adventures.  Vs. Sugar Kane
or V. Voo, he does about as much or more damage against monsters including
Large Stink Beetles, Horned Centipedes, Elder Shamans, etc.

>> 2)  Intelligent Parry:  You dont need to be a Paz to be very

>	Speaking of which, how's Vrock doing? :)  I do think that the
>game SHOULD be balanced.  That if you have a weakness (like do d/r) then
>certain character designs/creatures will tear through you.  To be really
>good at fighting you need to be good at all aspects of fighting (d/r, dp.
>wsps, stats, ect). I agree though that right now the characters that use
>the really big weapons are pathetic.  They can't hit their opponents and
>even if they do don't drop them that easily.  The only hope is for one of
>these characters to get a head shot and daze their opponent (don't try this
>against too many dwarves though, just don't work :-).
>

You are talking about high power levels.

>> 3)  Take your chances as you are since it will be rare to run
>> into these wpns.  There already exists certain designs that
>> eat another for lunch.  Many choose to accept this in order to
>> excell in other areas.
>>

>	I think that these weapons will come into play more at the higher
>power levels.  1) It takes that long to get the necessary strength to use
>these weapons.  2) The stats of the really high power level characters
>are high enough that they CAN use these heavy weapons and STILL have good
>non-strength stats.  Example, say a 3000 power level character who has
>spent alot of e.p. on stats has average of 30 for stats.  I don't think
>this is unrealistic.  I know of alot of 1700+ characters who's stats
>averaged would be in the mid 20's.  But a 40,25,25,25 averaged is less
>then 30 per stat.  I don't think it would be too hard for this type of
>design to be BOTH fast and accurate with his/her weapon and do ALOT of
>damage.  Maybe these types of weapons favor races with good stats even
>more?  Those races that can (fairly) easily get their strength this high
>would be at a big disadvantage because they'd be slow and couldn't hit.
>But the races (like humans) which could raise they're stats too decent
>levels in everything and yet still specialize in strength could be ALOT
> tougher.  Though it would take alot longer for them to be able to use
>these weapons because they have to raise all their stats to a decent level.

I'll say.  Bumble will never have a good stam.  In two turns she will be
25.24.16.17 at 800 power.  Her Str, Dex and Cun still cost under 36 EP.

>>      In short, I feel the high str designs suffer under the
>> current system and the super heavies are needed for game balance.
>> I cant remember the last time Paz felt threatened by anyone
>> (pc's) using large wpns.
>>

>type.  Also alot of the fast type of characters prefer medium/short
>range.  Several of these big weapons are at a disadvantage at medium
>range, and they're all at a disadvantage at short (a range ALOT of quick
>fighters prefer).  If these heavies couldn't hit with they're weapon
>before at optimal range, what about a non-optimal range?  Maybe you
>should add in heavier armor?  At least that way these heavies would take
>longer to drop (better PF) and would get more opportunites to swing.

Hey, I've been hit at medium range with a punch dagger.  Anything is
possible.

Garrett

References

AG: heavy weapons
"T. Woods" <twoods@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>
Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:00:00 +0000
Re: AG: heavy weapons
dsaville@unm.edu (David G. Saville)
Wed, 21 Jun 1995 00:00:00 +0000
Re: AG: heavy weapons
"T. Woods" <twoods@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>
Thu, 22 Jun 1995 00:00:00 +0000