BSE Digest v195 #237 From: kerry@freeside.fc.net (Kerry Harrison) Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 00:00:00 +0000 BSE Digest Tuesday, 27 June 1995 Volume 195 : Number 237 Welcome to the BSE Digest, the place to discuss all the myriad aspects of life Beyond the Stellar Empire with other denizens of the Greater Periphery. In this issue: + Re: BSE:IMP Copyright Law + Neil Moved Email to Aloha.com + Re: BSE: Patent Office + Re: BSE: Who Has IND ship? + Re: BSE: Patent Office + Re: BSE: Who Has IND ship? + Re: BSE: RIP Announcement + Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 #234 + combat system + RE: BSE: Various Things + Re: BSE:Origins + Re: BSE: IMP shooting IND + Re: BSE: Yerties + IND Cannon fodder + Missing market reports + Imperial Laws + io.com usage + Re: BSE: RIP Announcement + BSE: IND Cannon fodder -Reply + Re: BSE: IND Cannon fodder -Reply + Re: BSE: IND Cannon fodder + Re: BSE: io.com usage + Re: BSE: IND Cannon fodder + Re: BSE Digest V195 #234 + Re: BSE Digest V195 #235 + Re: BSE: io.com usage + RE: BSE: Various Things See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the bse-list or bse-digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tandmb@sierra.net (Tony & Marcia Baldacci) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 01:31:00 -0700 Subject: Re: BSE:IMP Copyright Law >To Kazereckii war is work and play. One may relate to that statement. ENS Kring, FGZ ** Famous Last Words #20: "Who's the b*tch with the spiders???" ** ------------------------------ From: nbradley@aloha.com Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 00:10:43 +0000 Subject: Neil Moved Email to Aloha.com The "King" is now where he is supposed to be. You can contact me here at this EMAIL address now (or at the old AOL one), but this is preferred. ------------------------------ From: SBach11@aol.com Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 06:41:40 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Patent Office >SINCE PIRATES DONT FOLLOW IMP LAW, HOW DO YOU GET >THEM NOT TO COPY >TECH.EVERYONE IS ALREADY TRYING TO OFF THE PIRATES >SO ATTACKING THEM IS NOT >MUCH OF A THREAT RIP scouts honor...what else do ya need? <g> ------------------------------ From: SBach11@aol.com Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 06:41:43 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Who Has IND ship? >YEAH,BUT EVEN THE TOUGHEST PIRATE CREW WOULD >HANG THE CAPTAIN BY HIS JOLLY >ROGERS IF HE TOOK THEM ON AN OBVIOUS SUICIDE >MISSION Thats what all the rum is for.... ------------------------------ From: scragg@infi.net (Joe Eckhout) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 09:28:22 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Patent Office >SINCE PIRATES DONT FOLLOW IMP LAW, HOW DO YOU GET THEM NOT TO COPY >TECH.EVERYONE IS ALREADY TRYING TO OFF THE PIRATES SO ATTACKING THEM IS NOT >MUCH OF A THREAT > > Gee we won't copy any tech, I promise. <NOT!!> ------------------------------ From: scragg@infi.net (Joe Eckhout) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 09:31:00 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Who Has IND ship? >YEAH,BUT EVEN THE TOUGHEST PIRATE CREW WOULD HANG THE CAPTAIN BY HIS JOLLY >ROGERS IF HE TOOK THEM ON AN OBVIOUS SUICIDE MISSION > > Actually all my ships are equiped with the standard MK3 escape pods. You set the computers to automatic and man the pods. Wargalleys make one hell of a cool explosion. Cap'n Scragg P.S. Turn your caps lock off. It's not polite to write in all caps. ------------------------------ From: scragg@infi.net (Joe Eckhout) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 09:35:01 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: RIP Announcement >Neil, > >Jensen & the RIP House of Norge are history then? > >Steve > > You betchya. Lord G. took Jensen out personally at the meeting. Poor guy didn't even see it comming but then I guess thats nothing new. Cap'n Scragg ------------------------------ From: NoaKrieger@aol.com Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 09:51:22 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Re: BSE Digest V195 #234 In a message dated 95-06-26 23:58:12 EDT, you write: >Will "Fog of War" be present so that say an IMP ship might accidently >target >another IMP ship? [OOC] I would assume (hope) that we are playing in a timeframe far enough in the future to prohibit this type of incident. Senors, computer systems, etc. should be accurate and quick enough to determine friend from foe in a space combat situation. However, I could see a problem in the real life scenario you describe extrapolated into the game, i.e. orbital fire support for a ground party. If the new combat system is also going to address ground combat, there should be some provision for ships in orbit to support a ground party in attacking a position, e.g. colony. This process could be similiar to what occurs today, however, if the attacking ground party is "near" the targeted position, there should be a chance that "friendly fire" could occur. Jim G. ------------------------------ From: PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AL.WPAFB.AF.MIL Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 11:00:54 -0400 Subject: combat system One thing I assume will change (but I want to make sure about it) is that colonies will no longer be a guaranteed hit for ships. This is probably the single-most ridiculous characteristic I've ever seen in a battle program. phil k ------------------------------ From: ahatcher@ns.secis.com (Alan Hatcher) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 95 09:54:29 PDT Subject: RE: BSE: Various Things >To all: > >I have to say that I am dumbfounded regarding the deafening silence we have >recieved from our posts about the Solar Array. Since only the IMP, EEM, GTT, >DTR (their not on the net by the way) and WCE have responded to request for >input, I guess the rest of the game doesn't care what happens to the stargates. >I know I am being grumpy here but we would REALLY like to engage in a discussion >with EVERYONE about how to manage the solar array. (I promise if you contact me *** Note: The following is the personal opinion of the AFT Research Czar *** *** and should not be taken for the feelings of the AFT as a whole.*** I say shut all the damn things down and forget they ever existed. They're nothing but large non-moving targets which are impractical to defend and so easily damaged that they are very rarely a profitable means of travel. Turn the array off and offer tours through the system where it is since I'm sure it makes for an interesting display, especially if you string it with a few million miles of blinking Christmas lights. Sincerely, Thomas Payne AFT Research Czar ------------------------------ From: ahatcher@ns.secis.com (Alan Hatcher) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 95 10:10:23 PDT Subject: Re: BSE:Origins >I won't be going to Origins, so whoever does... stop by the ABM booth >and flip off Fat-boy for me (be sure to tell him it's from me). Some >rotten fruit tossed in his general direction would be nice also. <g> > >Steve No, no, no....the competiton will be to see who can flick the most boogers on his goofy hat he always wears. Geez, Steve, keep up with current events why don't ya? Alan ------------------------------ From: ahatcher@ns.secis.com (Alan Hatcher) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 95 10:23:15 PDT Subject: Re: BSE: IMP shooting IND >> OOC : Just as an aside, I live in Huntsville, Hey, I was skipping through a backlog of messages and only caught the quoted part of the above message? Who sent it originally? I live in Birmingham, AL and would'nt mind making the drive up to Huntsville to meet you since I have a lot of relatives I visit up there any way. Alan Hatcher (205) 678 - 2526 (Amazed that another BSE player lives in Alabama) ------------------------------ From: Kevin Curnutt <kcurnutt@metronet.com> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 12:07:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Yerties On Mon, 26 Jun 1995 LUDENDORF@delphi.com wrote: > Theres's much more. I can post the original blurbs and info sheet on the > Community, if enough of y'all new guys want it... but I would prefer not to > inflict that on the old timers (in the game) here. Steve, Sure, I'd be interested in more info on the Community. You can send it directly to me if you don't want to post it to the list. Kevin ------------------------------ From: ronk@triassic-142.Eng.Sun.COM (Ron Kleinman) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 10:39:59 -0700 Subject: IND Cannon fodder From: scragg@infi.net (Joe Eckhout) Date: Mon, 26 Jun 1995 14:13:29 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Who Has IND ship? >Where Joe is wrong is his assumption that "he", the player, >exists as an entity in the game and that it is thus justifiable for many >disparate individuals to >commit suicide to support "his" aims, though >just TUs >before they may have been new crew fresh out of an EEM crew >training complex. > >Be seeing you, > >Brad Braun >> >>BUZZZZZZZ! Wrong AGAIN Brad. Your the only one making assumptions here. My >>main character is Cap'n Scragg, a RIP Pirate that happens to have several >>ships and colonies at his disposal in the RIP. Some of Cap'n Scraggs assets >>are IND, kill one of them and Cap'n Scragg will not be happy and will >>probably seek retribution. <OOC> Joe, The problem here is that your retribution requires the ongoing mass suicide of newly hatched IND pirate personnel. Since pirates are known to be (ahem) rather self-serving scum, this seems inexplicible within the context of the game. Your strategy is therefore disturbing to those of us who see it as outside the range of IC possibilities. Can you provide a rational for HOW Capt Scragg hopes to make good on his dastardly threats, rather than on WHY he might issue them? Thanx, Ronk P.S. No offense intended (other than to Cap'n Scragg of course). ------------------------------ From: Geoff Hanna <71552.3003@compuserve.com> Date: 27 Jun 95 13:56:57 EDT Subject: Missing market reports Rick: "Could you get such a program to work with aol?" So far you are the only one who seems interested so it looks like it won't be happening regardless of how it would work. If it does, the program will be a seperate executable, either Windows or DOS depending on how many of the people who want it have Windows. It would not work directly on AOL, but would make text files that you could upload to AOL like any other text file. The main advantages of the program would be in data input and output. It could speed market report entry by organizing it and assigning Item descriptions for you (you would enter an Item number and the program would apply the appropriate description). It could also remember the last market report you entered for each of your colonies, so you could make changes to specific items rather than typing the whole thing in every time. The output would be standardized, making it easier for everybody to read, and even better, import into their own databases. Geoff ------------------------------ From: Geoff Hanna <71552.3003@compuserve.com> Date: 27 Jun 95 13:56:56 EDT Subject: Imperial Laws Adm. Ludendorf: Please to pardon! Of to addressing ISS PD, but not of possessing of contactability in info as of who ISS PD be? CPT1402 listing of only IMP, and you, not of factioning IMP differentnesses. This one of to have reading Imperial Laws. And possibilitied to see listingnesses of Places of Quarantine? Whilst also and in additionality, of Illegal Substances? This one wishing of to be Good Bug, and to following laws of TallPaleOnes, yet and not to know of same and how to be? Your Bug, D'zk Khan'e'Zur KZK Eighth Eye of the Goddess ------------------------------ From: Geoff Hanna <71552.3003@compuserve.com> Date: 27 Jun 95 13:56:59 EDT Subject: io.com usage "I've only got so much time to spend on the bloody thing - if y'all want more content them help create some." Did I accidentally hit a nerve? I like the page Kerry, really. Truly. Have you gone off of the decaf again? <g> "WinCIM VT100 telnet emulation leaves one hell of a lot to be desired..." No kidding. I can't even send a dependable carriage return. There's an option to toggle between <cr> and <cr/lf> but it doesn't work right using either setting. Thanks for the info. In many years of professional IS work I've never even once had a project that utilized the Net. Yesterday was my first time on it. Geoff p.s. If this is non-BSE List related and spam, apologies to all. I think a discussion of Net BSE resources does belong here, but am not sure. Am done now in any case. ------------------------------ From: RIPLord@aol.com Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:02:11 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: RIP Announcement Yes. Jensen was executed by Lord Griessen Himself. ------------------------------ From: PKRAUSKOPF@FALCON.AL.WPAFB.AF.MIL Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:00:17 -0400 Subject: BSE: IND Cannon fodder -Reply >> Your strategy is therefore disturbing to those of us >> who see it as outside the range of IC possibilities. You mean sorta like Qumans taking over the PGJ<g>? ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@freeside.fc.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 13:26:55 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BSE: IND Cannon fodder -Reply On Tue, 27 Jun 1995 PKRAUSKOPF@falcon.al.wpafb.af.mil wrote: > You mean sorta like Qumans taking over the > PGJ<g>? The Qumans are not taking over the PGJ - if anybody takes them over it'll either be the SAM or the KZK. Kerry ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@freeside.fc.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 13:30:20 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BSE: IND Cannon fodder On Tue, 27 Jun 1995, Ron Kleinman wrote: > Your strategy is therefore disturbing to those of us who see it as outside > the range of IC possibilities. Can you provide a rational for HOW Capt Scragg > hopes to make good on his dastardly threats, rather than on WHY he might issue > them? Gee, Ron, I can think of several IC justifications for getting an IND ship to attack a colony's hiport and even a few methods for the attack to have a high chance of survival on the part of the crew. Kerry ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@freeside.fc.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 13:34:26 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BSE: io.com usage On 27 Jun 1995, Geoff Hanna wrote: > Did I accidentally hit a nerve? I like the page Kerry, really. Truly. > Have you gone off of the decaf again? <g> Har har, I don't drink any form of coffee, and no you didn't hit a nerve I was already in a rotten mood from something that happened earlier. > No kidding. I can't even send a dependable carriage return. There's an option to > toggle between <cr> and <cr/lf> but it doesn't work right using either setting. I've seen CIS's emulation require a CTRL-C, CTRL-M, and CTRL-Z at various times to get a linefeed. > p.s. If this is non-BSE List related and spam, apologies to all. I think a discussion > of Net BSE resources does belong here, but am not sure. Am done now in any case. It's relitively BSE related. Kerry ------------------------------ From: scragg@infi.net (Joe Eckhout) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 14:48:47 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: IND Cannon fodder > > The problem here is that your retribution requires the ongoing mass >suicide of newly hatched IND pirate personnel. Since pirates are known to >be (ahem) rather self-serving scum, this seems inexplicible within the context >of the game. > > Your strategy is therefore disturbing to those of us who see it as outside >the range of IC possibilities. Can you provide a rational for HOW Capt Scragg >hopes to make good on his dastardly threats, rather than on WHY he might issue >them? > > > Thanx, > > Ronk > > >P.S. No offense intended (other than to Cap'n Scragg of course). > > I can explain it, they are called escape pods. NO ONE in the years and years of BSE has invented one to save the life of a ships crew so I say they exist. It's stupid to assume a ship does not have a basic safety feature such as this. No one has actually invented one because no one cares about their crew. If no one has cared why should I start now? At least I'm not doing something stupid like sending poorly armed capitail warships in a humen wave (or maybe a Qmen wave?) after a colony or anything. Suicide attacks have been a part of BSE for a LONG time. It's always been the quickest and easiest way to scout a colonies defenses and take out it's highport. If you disagree with this tactic don't do it. If you want to keep it from happening to you figure out a way to prevent it within the game mechanics and rules (I can think of several ways). In the mean time stop crying about it. Joe P.S. No offense taken or intended. ------------------------------ From: David Isaac <76170.2705@compuserve.com> Date: 27 Jun 95 17:34:15 EDT Subject: Re: BSE Digest V195 #234 >>do you mean that destruction of the hiport is not certain (i.e., he'll only have a chance to hit it), or that... Brad, My understanding was that the cloaked ship would only have a chance to hit the hiport as his sensors are also affected. But I think that the points others have made are valid and bring the reality of Thads assertions into question. Only Thad can clear this up. Dave ------------------------------ From: David Isaac <76170.2705@compuserve.com> Date: 27 Jun 95 17:33:59 EDT Subject: Re: BSE Digest V195 #235 Actually my comment about a law to protect tech was an off the cuff response to someone (was it Brad?). I haven't actually thought much about it. Wayne and Steve's response has set me back some as I respect both of them and they seem to think the idea silly. So...Obviously I want to be able to protect my own research. At present I could probably manage to get the AFT to post someone who reverses something of ours and according to my interpretation of law 6, attack at will without breaking any Imperial laws. Is this true? And if so is this what we want? I was thinking that a patent file could be created on RTG's BBS where, after verification, Thad or Pete could add items and there respective owners at the owners request. This would establish who was the true owner of the tech in an unbiased format free from tampering. What we do from that point on isn't clear to me. I want to hear how Steve and Wayne intend to handle the problem of reverse engineering. Dave ------------------------------ From: ac217@detroit.freenet.org (Chip Charnley) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:44:29 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: io.com usage >p.s. If this is non-BSE List related and spam, apologies to all. I think a discussion > of Net BSE resources does belong here, but am not sure. Am done now in any case. > > Seems to me that we need a good listing of the free/cheap shareware software that is out there and were to get it. There is a free for home use version of Netscape as a web browser, there is a program called Ewan which is a very good telnet, there is hgopher if you want a direct gopher client instead of netscape, there is WS_FTP for a direct ftp client, and there is WS_PING. All of these are available on the net and run over WINSOCK (which is what you have once you have used netlauncher on CIS). For those that can get there own services provider that has PPP access, Trumpet Winsock is very easy to use and reasonably easy to configure. I use all of these and I will try to track down locations to botain all of them and post it here. Chip Charnley ------------------------------ From: ac217@detroit.freenet.org (Chip Charnley) Date: Tue, 27 Jun 1995 17:44:27 -0400 Subject: RE: BSE: Various Things Here! Here! I 100% agree! Jame Retief, WCE Research Secretary >*** Note: The preceding is the personal opinion of the WCE Research Secretary *** >*** and should not be taken for the feelings of the WCE as a whole. *** <snip> > I say shut all the damn things down and forget they ever existed. <snip> > > Sincerely, > > Thomas Payne > AFT Research Czar > > > > > ------------------------------ End of BSE Digest V195 #237 *************************** BSE Digest - All items Copyright (c) 1995, by their respective authors, permission is granted to redistribute as long as proper credit is given. 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