ATLANTISv2 atl-players-digest #94

From: csd@microplex.com (Christian Daudt)

Date: Mon, 03 Jul 1995 00:00:00 +0000

This is kept by me (csd@microplex.com)
If there are any problems, please tell me 'cause I normally
don't have enough time to read them.
If you want previous versions, they are available via WWW at
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From: Lewis Haddow <9235367@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
Date:          Mon, 3 Jul 1995 14:05:52 +0000
Subject:        atl: (6,21) explorer

Who is the owner of the unit
Explorer (2430), viking
in Dezhou (6,21), swamp?
And why can't people reveal their factions a bit more often,
especially wandering travellers?  You might get yourself hurt ;)
LH

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From: Lewis Haddow <9235367@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
Date:          Mon, 3 Jul 1995 14:21:37 +0000
Subject:       teaching

Does the order
TEACH 99,100,NEW 1
work as expected?

LH
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From: Lewis Haddow <9235367@arran.sms.ed.ac.uk>
Date:          Mon, 3 Jul 1995 14:04:07 +0000
Subject:       atl: (6,21) explorer

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From: "J.P. Harvey" <u3jph@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Newbie questions
Date: Mon,  3 Jul 1995 14:49:21 +0100 (BST)

> I know this is stupid but i've been trying for about three turns now and I
> can't name a unit or faction and I can't descibe it either. Could somebody
> please email me and tell me how. And please tell me where in the orders I
> put them and so-on.
>
> Thanks
> Garage pound dogs(GPD)
> see-ya
>
> GPD
> ffp@magic.ca
>

#ATLANTIS <your faction number>

UNIT 9999
	NAME FACTION "We've got a name now"
	NAME UNIT "First Unit"
	DESCRIBE UNIT "The first of many'

UNIT 9998
	NAME UNIT "Second Unit"
	DESCRIBE UNIT "Getting the hang of it now..."

etc...

#END

hope this helps...

Jon.

Email Address  : u3jph@csc.liv.ac.uk
World Wide Web : http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/users/u3jph/index.html
Atlantis WWW   : http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/users/u3jph/Atlantis/index.html

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From: "J.P. Harvey" <u3jph@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: questions
Date: Mon,  3 Jul 1995 14:56:32 +0100 (BST)

The Feature Film Project (ffp@magic.ca) wrote:
>
> 1)I'm a newbie and I have a war/magic faction, I was wondering how you tax
> and if it's a good way to get silver?

Yes it is. Your unit issues the order TAX when not in a guarded hex (guarding
units are identified as such and are placed at the top of the list of units inthat region.

>
> 2)If your riding a horse from AC north then north east, you know that north
> is a city because it says on the ac report. but how do you know what's in
> north east?

You get told when you arrive there.

>
> 3)does any body have a www page that has a map of Atlantis?
> see-ya

Atlantis is very big, and hasn't been mapped completely! There were some maps
on the web, but people like to keep their informatin secret and i believe
theyhave removed them...

Jon.

Email Address  : u3jph@csc.liv.ac.uk
World Wide Web : http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/users/u3jph/index.html
Atlantis WWW   : http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/users/u3jph/Atlantis/index.html

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From: "J.P. Harvey" <u3jph@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: turn checker
Date: Mon,  3 Jul 1995 14:50:46 +0100 (BST)

> Does anybody use the"Roy@acasun.eckerd.edu" turn checker? if so could you
> please help me. I've got my turn check back 2 and both times i didn't
> understand the reply. It said"**A #Atlantis was expected" What does this
> mean? please help!
>
> Thanks
> Garage pound dogs(GPD)
> see-ya
>
> GPD
> ffp@magic.ca
>
>
start your orders with the first line

#ATLANTIS <your faction number>

end it with the line

#END

Jon.

Email Address  : u3jph@csc.liv.ac.uk
World Wide Web : http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/users/u3jph/index.html
Atlantis WWW   : http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/users/u3jph/Atlantis/index.html

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From: "J.P. Harvey" <u3jph@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Newbie questions(II)
Date: Mon,  3 Jul 1995 15:10:31 +0100 (BST)

The Feature Film Project (ffp@magic.ca) wrote:
>
> 1) How many allys can you have?

Infinite.

>
> 2) I studied nature 1 (30) and my report said nothing. And it said my
> research area is forest, how do I learn spells?
> good luck

You can now issue the order :

RESEARCH FOREST

This will cost you $100 and get you your first spell.

Jon.

Email Address  : u3jph@csc.liv.ac.uk
World Wide Web : http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/users/u3jph/index.html
Atlantis WWW   : http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/users/u3jph/Atlantis/index.html

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From: "J.P. Harvey" <u3jph@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Re:  questions
Date: Mon,  3 Jul 1995 15:33:13 +0100 (BST)

If Only I had read the whole list before replying individually, all my uselessspam could have been avoided! I like this method - much less spam and
quicker.I've learnt my lesson and will try this method in future :)

sorry!

Jon.

>
> This is a combination reply to four messages of newbie questions from the
> same player.  I have renumbered the questions but otherwise left the
> original text alone.  Before I post some answers, I want to strongly urge
> everyone to carefully read the latest rules before posting your questions
> to the list.  Many, though not all, answers can be found that way, and it
> is both quicker for you as well as easier on bandwidth.  There is also
> a good deal of information available on the WWW.  A good starting URL is
> included in one of the answers below.
>
>>1)I'm a newbie and I have a war/magic faction, I was wondering how you tax
>>and if it's a good way to get silver?
>
> You tax by using the TAX order.  Units issuing this order must be
> combat-ready, which is defined in the rules as having combat skill >= 1, or
> having crossbow or longbow skill >= 1 and having the appropriate kind of
> bows.
>
> Taxation is a fairly effective way of getting silver.  Other options are
> WORKing, SELLing something, or getting another faction to GIVE silver to
> one of your units.
>
>>2)If your riding a horse from AC north then north east, you know that north
>>is a city because it says on the ac report. but how do you know what's in
>>north east?
>
> You don't until you get there, unless someone who knows tells you.  I would
> think that this is pretty obvious.
>
>>3)does any body have a www page that has a map of Atlantis?
>
> There are several WWW pages that have information on them, including maps
> and newbie tips.  I recommend starting with the following URL:
> http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/users/u3jph/Atlantis/index.html
> This page contains links to many of the other Atlantis 2 web pages, as well
> as much useful information in its own right.
>
>>4) How many allys can you have?
>
> There rules do not impose a limit.
>
>>5) I studied nature 1 (30) and my report said nothing. And it said my
>>research area is forest, how do I learn spells?
>
> This covered fairly clearly in the rules.  To acquire spells, first your
> mage must study one or more foundation skills.  If the mage has the
> foundation skill levels necessary for a particular new spell, then a
research
> area will be listed for that mage.  The mage may either RESEARCH that
> research area, or another mage may give him the appropriate spell.
>
>>6) I have a question that I might know but i'm not sure about. In my orders
I
>>buy 8 high elves, but when my orders get sent back to me I only get 1 elf, and
>>I have enough silver. Is this because to many people tried to buy elves that
>>turn?
>
> Yes.  The demand for high elves and leaders is very great in Atlantis City,
> and pretty high in most of the gate cities.
>
>>7) What happens if you form a unit but you forget or don't have enough siver
>>to buy people?
>>Yes this did happen to me and I didn't get a report on that unit, but I
still
>>found out what the number was by the error on the report. Do I buy people
for
>>it this turn or is the unit gone? HELP me i'm a newbie!
>
> Any unit with no men is removed.  All items that the empty unit is carrying
> are given to another unit of that faction in the same region.  If there is
> no other such unit, then I think the items are lost.  Unused unit numbers
are
> recycled, so you will have to FORM another new unit this turn.
>
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> John Bollinger
> jobollin@indiana.edu
> Melvin's Marauders (105)
>
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Date: Mon, 03 Jul 1995 11:45:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: BMOORE@UTKVX.UTCC.UTK.EDU
Subject: Atlantis Turn???

Hi all,
Is it just me, or has anybody else not received their turn?  I havn't
gotten a copy of the Times either.  I know the latest times is out, because
it's posted on the Web.

Is it just me?
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From: tim.hruby@his.com
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 95 12:07:02
Subject: Two factions, One player?

I found this disturbing information in my turn report:

In hex (8,14):
- 1st Frontier Guards (4934), Order Of The Gash (741), 5 tribal elves;
  We guard this area now!, jegt@algonet.se.
- Captain Mereredh (4935), Order Of The Gash (741), leader; We rule
  this area now! Do not tax or produce! jegt@algonet.se.
- Master Nandolond (3549), Faction (577), avoiding, leader, horse; A
  man in a dark cloak, questions? mail: jegt@algonet.se.

I checked the players.txt file, and indeed both of these factions respond to
the same email address.

[1] Isn't this considered cheating?  It is in most pbm games I've played.

[2] Rather ballsy of jegt to go around advertising this fact to the world,
don't you think?

Maybe there's a reasonable explanation, and I'd like to hear it if there is.

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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 18:19:52 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Jonas Tehler <jegt@algonet.se>
Subject: Re: Two factions, One player?

On Mon, 3 Jul 1995 tim.hruby@his.com wrote:

>
> I found this disturbing information in my turn report:
>
> In hex (8,14):
> - 1st Frontier Guards (4934), Order Of The Gash (741), 5 tribal elves;
>   We guard this area now!, jegt@algonet.se.
> - Captain Mereredh (4935), Order Of The Gash (741), leader; We rule
>   this area now! Do not tax or produce! jegt@algonet.se.
> - Master Nandolond (3549), Faction (577), avoiding, leader, horse; A
>   man in a dark cloak, questions? mail: jegt@algonet.se.
>
> I checked the players.txt file, and indeed both of these factions respond to
> the same email address.
>
> [1] Isn't this considered cheating?  It is in most pbm games I've played.
>
> [2] Rather ballsy of jegt to go around advertising this fact to the world,
> don't you think?
>
> Maybe there's a reasonable explanation, and I'd like to hear it if there is.
>

There is a reasonable explanation! The player of faction 741
(bca_94@rbk.sollentuna.se) can't use his internetaccount during the
summer (it is at his school) so he is using my account until august.
That's why my adress is everywhere.

I explained this to Geoff some weeks ago.

It isn't one player with two factions, it's two players with one
internetaccount...

/ Jonas Tehler
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From: "J.P. Harvey" <u3jph@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: My Massive...
Date: Mon,  3 Jul 1995 17:41:30 +0100 (BST)

Dear All (particularly new players)

I have received many emails of late on this topic, and thought I would make
public the answer, to placate your questions...

>
>     To: House Baushee of DOMINION (217)
>     From: Denis' Faction (800)
>
>
> I saw your unit Viper's Minions (2215) with more than 100 high elves. I can
> see only such ways of getting money in Atlantis City as claiming,
entertaining
> and working.

Yes, they are. I chose working. There is also stealing, but no-one ever does
that...

> Each of them and all together do not allow to buy and to
> maintance such number of people.

> Could you expalin me how you have got such result, please.

I started in the second ever turn of the game. At that point you could easily
buy 25 HEL in a turn if you claimed all your money. That is what I did. I
havebeen buying HEL ever since. The current purchase value of the troops in that
unit is 135*60= $8100

This unit is my personal bank vaultI give it all my income, and it pays my
expenses. With it working to support my activities, I studied long and hard to
reach Level 5 Observation. No-one can steal from me without possible magical
aid, and the unit is too big to assassinate. It is allied with the city guards,
and so is reasonably invulnerable.

The unit now earns $2000+ a month working in Atlantis City. Most of this is
maintainence, but there's about $700 spare to maintain my other units in the
city. I have a standing order to buy 200 HEL a month.

It usually has enough money to buy about 75 HEL, and currently actually gets
about 5 a round at this demand. These gradually generate more revenue to
enableme to buy more elves etc. My biggest ever real claim was when I had enough to
buy 104 HEL in one turn

> Besides, I noticed
> that some factions give to you their units. What for?

Some people have had to go away for 12 weeks for the summer holidays. I asked
allies and friends if rather than quitting, they would like to give me their
units in Atlantis City as a friendly gesture. Two of them agreed, on the basis
that I help them out with money and men when they re-start in October. I'll
dothat, and they'll know that in the meantime their time spent in Atlantis city
was of some use - it helped a friend.

I do not believe this is a rules breach any more than swapping troops around
in an allience is.

> Of course, if it is not your commersial secret.

It doesn't need to be a secret because conditions in atlantis city currently
prevent any newer factions from following this course of action. There is at
least one other faction in Atlantis city, however, that is in a similar
situation, which I believe followed a similar policy.

Anywhere else this policy is un-needed, because you can gain income much more
easily by tax etc.

To those of you who have suggested I attack the city guards, I say this :

I would need an extra two mages with certain spells, plus 70 more HEL. All my
(untrained) unit would have to be trained to COM 3.

With this I could just win I believe. However, then the ravening hordes in
Atlantis city would unite and slaughter me for the tax money.

I am safer in Atlantis city if I'm not the guard at the door - I have a safe
base to send whatever troops I like out to anywhere in the Atlantis realm. I
can instantly deploy in a new city if I so choose. However, I'm a War/Magic
faction, soon to be pure Magic as the situation in Spakker calms down. So
invasionof an area is hard because I can't tax.

My mages are already beginning to make me a powerful player, but it is time,
in the end, along with friendship, that has given me what power I have. I am
indebted to the other members of the DOMINION, our alliance, who have trusted
meand each other enough to build our own little Empire.

My faction is nothing compared to the might of some war factions, but the
skills I can provide are invaluable to them. The world will soon be full of war
factions, the day of magic is coming, and I'll be there to greet its dawn!

I hope those of you just joining this game have benefitted from the above
somewhat. I'd just like to say that I don't sell elves ;-)

Lord Viper.

House Banshee (217) of the DOMINION.

Email Address  : u3jph@csc.liv.ac.uk
World Wide Web : http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/users/u3jph/index.html
Atlantis WWW   : http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/users/u3jph/Atlantis/index.html

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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 19:06:40 +0100
From: Tony Sheldon <cs0u308d@liverpool.ac.uk>
Subject: Kashmar Areas

Hello to all in the city of Kashmar!

Well, It took some doing but the city has fallen. To all the peeps who
stormed the city :

WHY DIDN'T YOU ASK FOR MY HELP????

I have a VERY powerful mage in this hex, and I could have helped you out in
some manner.

On to other matters, It is Winter in Orrebygd, so I'm not going anywhere.
All fellow travellers going southwards .... bring a horse.

Hello to all in hex 6,19, I'm just passing through, Oh fellow Scouts, so I'm
offski the next turn.

That's it!
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Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 14:57:42 -0400
From: Kevin Lincoln Kendig <kendig@engin.umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Atlantis Turn???

I haven't received my turn either...is there a problem?
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From: "D.J. McGaw" <u3djm@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Two factions, One player?
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 1995 19:21:47 +0100 (BST)

I know what you mean, one player with two factions! It seems like a cheat
and also that he may be cheating (I cannot vouch for him, whether he is
or not is his affair) but as many of the players have summertime vactions
now, other players usually take over the affairs of the faction of their
friends to avoid them dying off.

I am (hopefully) taking over a friends faction here in Liverpool, in a
few weeks, so if you see my name and email address on two factions, don;t
worry.

Tim Nutman is joining the bizzies here, and I will be working by the
University anyway, so factions 810 and 815 will be under my control in the
near future (810 is mine, 815 is Tim's - check 'em).

This may be what is happening here.

Regards as ever

Dave McGaw

tim.hruby@his.com wrote :
>
>
>
>
> I found this disturbing information in my turn report:
>
> In hex (8,14):
> - 1st Frontier Guards (4934), Order Of The Gash (741), 5 tribal elves;
>   We guard this area now!, jegt@algonet.se.
> - Captain Mereredh (4935), Order Of The Gash (741), leader; We rule
>   this area now! Do not tax or produce! jegt@algonet.se.
> - Master Nandolond (3549), Faction (577), avoiding, leader, horse; A
>   man in a dark cloak, questions? mail: jegt@algonet.se.
>
> I checked the players.txt file, and indeed both of these factions respond to
> the same email address.
>
> [1] Isn't this considered cheating?  It is in most pbm games I've played.
>
> [2] Rather ballsy of jegt to go around advertising this fact to the world,
> don't you think?
>
> Maybe there's a reasonable explanation, and I'd like to hear it if there is.
>
>