BSE Digest v195 #257 From: kerry@freeside.fc.net (Kerry Harrison) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 1995 00:00:00 +0000 BSE Digest Wednesday, 19 July 1995 Volume 195 : Number 257 Welcome to the BSE Digest, the place to discuss all the myriad aspects of life Beyond the Stellar Empire with other denizens of the Greater Periphery. In this issue: + Re: BSE: BSE On-Line Conference -Reply + BSE Conference + IND Posting + Correction to my last correction + Who's Who + Battlegates? + Re: BSE: New Opportunities + Re: BSE: BSE On-Line Conference + Re: BSE: New Opportunities + Re: BSE: IND Posting + Re: BSE: BSE On-Line Conference + Re: BSE: Skirmish in Podkay + Re: BSE: New Opportunities + Re: BSE: New Opportunities (fwd) + Re: BSE: Battlegates? + Re: BSE: Battlegates? + Re: BSE: Battlegates? + BSE: Battlegates + Re: BSE: BSE On-Line Conference + Re: BSE: Battlegates? + Re: BSE: Battlegates See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the bse-list and bse-digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: nbradley@aloha.com Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 09:38:21 +0000 Subject: Re: BSE: BSE On-Line Conference -Reply Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 13:46:19 -0400 To: bse-list@fc.net From: scragg@infi.net (Joe Eckhout) Subject: Re: BSE: BSE On-Line Conference -Reply Reply-to: bse-list@fc.net > ... (although I've heard rumors there's a virus on >some of their promo disks). > I have heard nothing about any virus's in the AOL disks. I will ask the powers that be. However, my gut feeling is that the rumors were started by AOL-hating people. Neil ------------------------------ From: nbradley@aloha.com Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 09:38:21 +0000 Subject: BSE Conference Pete/Thad , There seems to be a general agreement to have the BSE conference on AOL on Saturday, 29 July at 7:00pm Eastern. Is this acceptable to you? Neil Bradley ------------------------------ From: ronk@triassic-142.Eng.Sun.COM (Ron Kleinman) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 13:08:35 -0700 Subject: IND Posting Gentlepersons, It has been pointed out to me that I was warning IND captains away from a colony on a world to which I did not give the location. QSN Ilium Novum is located on Neptula in the Quoda system. Once my orders go through it will have IND posted. Civil damages will be paid to any innocent IND vessel which was given insufficent notice in this matter. BTW .. the initial colony report I received also indicates that the FGZ is already posted, which saved me one obvious order right there. Sincerely, Lord Nicholas Van Rijn QSN Ilium Novum ------------------------------ From: ronk@triassic-142.Eng.Sun.COM (Ron Kleinman) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 13:25:30 -0700 Subject: Correction to my last correction Gentlepersons, Please bear with this .. it is, I believe the last in the series. I have belatedly realized that there may be other colonies on Neptula which have ongoing dealings with IND shipping that my actions may have put in jeopardy by my IND posting. My problem is that in the suddenness of the promotion, some of the details (like the name and address of any other colonies / colony owners on the planet) appear to have been misplaced. Any help in supplying these will be most appreciated. <GAD .. there could be an IND colony there for all I know.> To any other colony owners I have inconvenienced (or worse) please take into account that I intend to be a good neighbor, once I get the hang of this. Sincerely, Lord Nicholas Van Rijn QSN Ilium Novum ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@freeside.fc.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 15:40:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Who's Who Who's Who in BSE (and on the bse-list/bse-digest) Player=================Email Address=========================Affiliation=== Wayne Alexander wayne.alexander@mercopus.com EEM Christopher Allen gtt-pd@consensus.com GTT Jason Arnold ja409@freenet.scri.fsu.edu FGZ David Baker virhorizon@aol.com WCE Tony Baldacci tandmb@sierra.net FGZ Neil Bradley nbradley@aloha.com RIP Brad Braun btb4@lehigh.edu USS Russ Boggs rboggs@isisph.com IND Rick Burningham law2be@aol.com SMS Chip Charnley ac217@detroit.freenet.org WCE Mike Cofran cojran@ucsub.colorado.edu AFT Kevin Curnutt kcurnutt@metronet.com WCE Joe Eckhout scragg@infi.net RIP Jim Elliott jce@icon.net FET Paul Ellis caz@primenet.com AFT Tim Enright timenright@aol.com WCE Jack Ferguson jackmyster@aol.com FGZ Jim Gagliardi noakrieger@aol.com EEM Jason Goff jgof4p1@s1.csc.peachnet.edu SSL George Hammond gstarrh@umich.edu USS Geoff Hanna 71552.3003@compuserve.com KZK Alan Hatcher ahatcher@ns.secis.com AFT Kerry Harrison kerry@fc.net KZK Bill Hendrick bhendrick@kean.ucs.mun.ca MYR Peter Henry henry4633@aol.com QSN Dave Isaac 76170.2705@compuserve.com AFT Ron Kleinman ronk@eng.sun.com QSN Josh Knapp tandmb@sierra.net WCE Phil Krauskopf pkrauskopf@falcon.al.wpafb.af.mil WCE Carl Linquist 73240.2556@compuserve.com USS Jim Louderback rogue616@aol.com FET Richard Loutzenheiser 76311.2317@compuserve.com SAM Steve Marte stephmarte@aol.com WCE Steve Mathews ludendorf@delphi.com ISP Charles Meredith chazz@cais.cais.com WCE Steve Messer sbach11@aol.com RIP Rob Neal rfn2@aol.com FET Bill Peltier grendel@mindspring.com USS Dale Pennington dalepenn@hiwaay.net WCE Paul Postak fk490@cleveland.freenet.edu USS Keith Rawson bobillings@aol.com RIP Kenneth Reeves kennreeves@aol.com KZK Tony Soccio asoccio@aol.com AFT Derek Smith torinom@aol.com SMS John Stanton jstanton@qualcomm.com SMS Patrick Tyrrell tyrrell@netcom.com ICN Keith Verret keithver@aol.com ICN Political Positions==============================Player=================== AFT Chief Journeyman (525) Paul Ellis AFT Negotiator (933) Dave Isaac AFT Sergeant at Arms (1349) Mike Cofran AFT Research Czar (683) Alan Hatcher EEM Chief Executive Officer (1962) Wayne Alexander PD EEM Director of Engineering and Research (2838) Jim Gagliardi FET Executive Vice President (4420) Rob Neal PD FET Special Interest Coordinator (?) Jim Louderback FGZ Ataman (2450) Jack Ferguson PD FGZ Chancellor Privy (n/a) Jason Arnold GTT Chairman & CEO (180) Christopher Allen PD ISP Periphery Director (398) Steve Mathews PD KZK Central Command (3420) Geoff Hanna PD QSN Warlox (?) Peter Henry RIP Hawaian Islanders Clan Chief (2447) Neil Bradley SAM Minister for Barbarian Affairs (n/a) Richard Loutzenheiser SMS Colonization/Research Coordinator (955) Rick Buringham SMS Information Coordinator (4011) Derek Smith SMS Transhole Coordinator (1161) John Stanton SSL Godfather (299) Jason Goff PD USS Associate Periphery Director (1824) Paul Postak USS Information Coordinator (3531) George Hammond USS Periphery Director (4624) Carl Linquist PD USS Research Coordinator (?) Brad Braun WCE General Secretary (923) Phil Krauskopf PD WCE Research Secretary (n/a) Chip Charnley WCE Secretary For War (721) Steve Marte If you wish to be listed please the following information to me via private email, the address is kerry@fc.net (do not post it to bse-list@fc.net as this will cause unnecessary clutter): your name, email address, affiliation membership, and political position (& number) if applicable. ------------------------------ From: Kevin Curnutt <kcurnutt@metronet.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 16:33:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Battlegates? Is there a difference between a Stargate and a Battlegate? If so, what's the difference? Kevin ------------------------------ From: scragg@infi.net (Joe Eckhout) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 16:51:05 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: New Opportunities > Given this threatening situation, when an opportunity for a promotion arose >(from MerchantPerson Ensign to Lord) I accepted. Henceforth I will be the >new leader of QSN Ilium Novum, a level 7 colony, once I find out exactly where >it is. > Lord Nick: You can find your colony in the Quoda system (10) on the planet Neptula (space square 1741). My last intel report said there was a QSN CM, 2 GTT SoLs in the starport, and a Surveyor hanging out in the space square. Wanna know where your outpost are and how your ground defenses are doing? <grin> Cap'n Scragg P.S. Sometimes it's good to have an extensive intelligence network. ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@comland.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 17:00:26 -35900 Subject: Re: BSE: BSE On-Line Conference On Wed, 19 Jul 1995 SYoung3200@aol.com wrote: > i'm new to this. what are ci$ and irc? cis$ or more appropriately CIS is CompuServe Information Service, another commerical service along the lines of AOL, but with real threading in the message bases. irc is Internet Relay Chat, which is similiar to the chat/conference rooms available on AOL. Kerry ------------------------------ From: PROTHORAX@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 18:29:52 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: New Opportunities (ooc) I do agree a single ship (position) can impact the game history?! A example is to have the great FGZ stop and issue a letter of mark on a hauling ship named the blue whale?! I suppect that ship will be turned into a base ship some day! As for your new governor position It maybe wise to park your ship in starport for a little R/R and protection it from the hoards of nonhumans creatures looking for that ship?! later david ------------------------------ From: PROTHORAX@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 18:33:21 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: IND Posting QSN creature, A question? Isn't that the colony the QSN took from the WCE over the minor actions of the AIS and in the process killed over 10,000 WCE biomass units? WaSP JANUS PROTHORAX ------------------------------ From: ac217@detroit.freenet.org (Chip Charnley) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 19:05:33 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: BSE On-Line Conference >I cancelled my CI$ account because it was too expensive and the people who >ran the PBM Games forum (in my opinion) where for the most part idiots. >(except Neil) Gee. Thanks! Chip ------------------------------ From: Law2Be@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 19:28:00 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Skirmish in Podkay To: Gordon Twillfeather III From: Albert E. Junior Greetings, I have a few starcaptains in my clan who have RIP kills to thier name, and I was wondering how far back this bounty of Pleasure Sheep applies. The kills in question were in the Jemian, and Jovian conflicts of the past couple of years. One of the ships in question was subsequently killed in action vs a RIP colony, but his son fights on in his stead. Could he claim his fathers bounty should it be retroactive? I am very pleased to see additional incentives from other than the IMPs to hunt RIP, as my clan is very active in RIP hunting. My clan humbly awaits your response, Albert E. Junior ------------------------------ From: Law2Be@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 19:39:24 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: New Opportunities Cap'n Scragg, Sometimes it's good to have intelligence! Rick D'Racer Jr. SMS Musclecars4ever2 (leading anti-RIP patrols in Drell) ------------------------------ From: ronk@triassic-142.Eng.Sun.COM (Ron Kleinman) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 16:41:52 -0700 Subject: Re: BSE: New Opportunities (fwd) >>>You can find your colony in the Quoda system (10) on the planet Neptula >>>(space square 1741). My last intel report said there was a QSN CM, 2 GTT >>>SoLs in the starport, and a Surveyor hanging out in the space square. Wanna >>>know where your outpost are and how your ground defenses are doing? <grin> >> >> >>>Cap'n Scragg Scragg, After checking my JUST ARRIVED colony material, this appears to be exactly right in almost every respect!! Please do not post any further details .. I'd kinda like to find these sorts of things out by myself. >> >>>P.S. Sometimes it's good to have an extensive intelligence network. Damn .. there's something really weird going on here. I'll have to put things to right when I reach the colony. Impressed despite h9imself, Lord Nicholas Van Rijn QSN Ilium Novum ------------------------------ From: Christopher Allen <gtt-pd@consensus.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 16:12:27 -0700 Subject: Re: BSE: Battlegates? At 2:33 PM 7/19/95, Kevin Curnutt wrote: > Is there a difference between a Stargate and a Battlegate? If >so, what's the difference? A BattleGate is a 100-1400-100 ship that behaves just like a stargate, except that you can also load it full of weapons (up to 32 batteries worth!), shields, combat computers, as well as move (albeit slowly.) A stargate is not really a ship (thought it technically also has 100-1400-100 hulls) because it can't be loaded with weapons nor defend itself nor move. The BattleGate conversion tech is a new GTT technology. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ .. Marshall Whispers, Chairman & CEO aka Christopher Allen .. .. Galactic Transport & Trade 4104-24th Street #391 .. .. GTT HQ, GTT Colony Gaspree (#1656) San Francisco, CA 94114-3615 .. .. Petroom (#2713) in Newbian System (#2) home 415/647-6401 .. .. <GTT-PD@consensus.com> No calls after 9pm or before 9am Pacific! .. ------------------------------ From: PROTHORAX@aol.com Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 21:16:36 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Battlegates? (ooc) 32 batteries?! Now that's play balance for ya! Question? can you board one of these things? later david. ***By the way how did you guys get this thing? As I have worked years on projects and never hit pay durt?*** ------------------------------ From: Christopher Allen <gtt-pd@consensus.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 18:44:02 -0700 Subject: Re: BSE: Battlegates? At 6:16 PM 7/19/95, PROTHORAX@aol.com wrote: >(ooc) 32 batteries?! Now that's play balance for ya! I personally prefer setting them to 16 or even 8 batteries -- half loaded with missiles and half beam weapons give probably a 100% kill ratio for all ships unless they are up to the gills in shields. Loaded completely with missles might even kill even max shielded ships. >Question? can you board one of these things? I would assume so -- which is why there are veterans with anti-boarding training on board ;-> >***By the way how did you >guys get this thing? As I have worked years on projects and never hit pay >durt? I was first reluctant to answer this question as it was an issue of contention between RTG and I for a while, and is complicated because Those Who Shall Remain Nameless. Like the QSN and their CargoMasters, I had a huge amount (six figures) of old-style Research Points at Gaspree and a pending Feasibility Studies on StarGates with Those Who Shall Remain Nameless for a long time (years). Because of objections I raised over the old research points vs. the new, RTG felt it was best to wipe out my old research points and let a somewhat more limited version of the BattleGate project go through rather than have the points converted to to general research (which are very difficult to turn to Teleportation Research). I'm sure that the attacks on stargates gave them some justification as well, and I made the case that since they did allow the QSN to have the CargoMasters they needed to take care of GTT as well. Although other affiliations had research points that needed to be converted over to new, I think only QSN and GTT had a truely large number waiting. I hope that no one thinks that RTG was "biased" in giving this to GTT before the official rules changeover as they really did give us a hard time about doing it. I'm sure that 'squeaky wheel' contributed to it, but I think also there were some legitimate issues of game balance that they were addressing as well -- BattleGates needed to be in the game. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ .. Marshall Whispers, Chairman & CEO aka Christopher Allen .. .. Galactic Transport & Trade 4104-24th Street #391 .. .. GTT HQ, GTT Colony Gaspree (#1656) San Francisco, CA 94114-3615 .. .. Petroom (27-13) in Newbian System (#2) home 415/647-6401 .. .. <GTT-PD@consensus.com> No calls after 9pm or before 9am Pacific! .. ------------------------------ From: "Hendrick,Bill;=9462771" <BHENDRICK@kean.ucs.mun.ca> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 23:35:39 +0200 (IST) Subject: BSE: Battlegates Chris Do battlegates have their own enemy, support and defend lists or can they only defend themselves? Bill ------------------------------ From: tandmb@sierra.net (Tony & Marcia Baldacci) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 19:14:31 -0700 Subject: Re: BSE: BSE On-Line Conference >>I cancelled my CI$ account because it was too expensive and the people who >>ran the PBM Games forum (in my opinion) where for the most part idiots. >>(except Neil) > >Gee. Thanks! You're not an idiot either, Chip - nor is Bill Pegues. The rest of those people though.... Feel better now? (g) ** F.L.W. #22: "What do you mean, a pentagram only has FIVE sides???" ** ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@dell.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 21:15:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Battlegates? On Wed, 19 Jul 1995, Christopher Allen wrote: > A BattleGate is a 100-1400-100 ship that behaves just like a stargate, > except that you can also load it full of weapons (up to 32 batteries > worth!), shields, combat computers, as well as move (albeit slowly.) A > stargate is not really a ship (thought it technically also has 100-1400-100 > hulls) because it can't be loaded with weapons nor defend itself nor move. Also, the bloody thing can't enter orbit or enter a space square that contains a world if I remember correctly. Kerry ------------------------------ From: Christopher Allen <gtt-pd@consensus.com> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 1995 19:33:08 -0700 Subject: Re: BSE: Battlegates At 2:35 PM 7/19/95, Hendrick,Bill;=9462771 wrote: >Do battlegates have their own enemy, support and defend lists or can they >only defend themselves? They are just like ships except that they don't require maintenance (as they can't land, or even enter orbit.) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ .. Marshall Whispers, Chairman & CEO aka Christopher Allen .. .. Galactic Transport & Trade 4104-24th Street #391 .. .. GTT HQ, GTT Colony Gaspree (#1656) San Francisco, CA 94114-3615 .. .. Petroom (27-13) in Newbian System (#2) home 415/647-6401 .. .. <GTT-PD@consensus.com> No calls after 9pm or before 9am Pacific! .. ------------------------------ End of BSE Digest V195 #257 *************************** BSE Digest - All items Copyright (c) 1995, by their respective authors, permission is granted to redistribute as long as proper credit is given. To subscribe to BSE Digest, send the command: + subscribe bse-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@fc.net". If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "bse@domain.net": + subscribe bse-digest bse@domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "bse-digest" in the commands above with "bse-list". 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