BSE Digest v195 #267 From: kerry@freeside.fc.net (Kerry Harrison) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 00:00:00 +0000 BSE Digest Sunday, 30 July 1995 Volume 195 : Number 267 Welcome to the BSE Digest, the place to discuss all the myriad aspects of life Beyond the Stellar Empire with other denizens of the Greater Periphery. In this issue: + A List of Embot-Accessible Files + Rule of Man and gods + Re: BSE: Rule of Man and gods + Re: BSE: Rule of Man and gods + ooc...Bashing? Me?..never! + Re: BSE: Rule of Man and gods + Re: BSE: ooc...Bashing? Me?..never! + Re: BSE: ooc...Bashing? Me?..never! + Re: BSE: ooc...Bashing? Me?..never! + Re: BSE: ooc...Bashing? Me?..never! + PGJ and Richard.... + Re: BSE: ooc...Bashing? Me?..never! + SYoung... + BSE + Re: BSE: Some tips on using the Embot program + Re: BSE: PGJ Recruitment + Re: BSE: Public Service Message + Re: BSE: PJG Claims + Re: BSE: BSE + Re: BSE: PJG Claims + Re: BSE: Public Service Message + Re: BSE: Rule of Man and gods + Re: BSE: ooc...Bashing? Me?..never! + WSP + Re: BSE: ooc...Bashing? Me?..never! + Re: BSE: ooc...Bashing? Me?..never! See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the bse-list and bse-digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: csc2bds@cabell.vcu.edu (Benjamin D. Swain Jr.) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 14:35:59 -0400 Subject: A List of Embot-Accessible Files You requested file 'thefilename' but it isn't available. The list of possible files is as follows: default-msg help Please send your request again, specifying one or more of these files. Thanks! --- Embot ------------------------------ From: Michael.Keane@maf.nasa.gov Date: 30 Jul 95 13:46:47 -0600 Subject: Rule of Man and gods On Sat, 29 July 1995 RuleOfMan@aol.com gibbered: >Unknown Prophet of Zoser >In a message dated 95-07-29 16:40:04 EDT, you write: > > >Remember the PGJ have seen GOD and he has EIGHT LEGS. :) > >More lies! God made Man in his image. You are the worst kind of alien scum, >God does not make his will known to the lower forms, but only to Man and his >will is that we cleanse the alien infestation from the universe! > >Rule of Man Silly human, your god is pathetic. My god, praise be the Mighty One's name, routinely bridges the vast distances between star systems for his lowly servants. Last time he graced my unworthy self with his presence was to thank me for the sacrifice of 10,000 human slaves. Where is your god when his precious humans are being slaughtered and what miracles has he performed lately? Please attack the PGJ, I know your god is inferior to Foebeus and am curious if he is weaker than the PGJ's Eight-Legged-One. Disdainfully, V'Ril T'Bak, Ruler FOE Target ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 14:58:05 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Rule of Man and gods <Last time he graced my unworthy self > Fitting. V'Ril, may I suggest you start preying... Lord Den of Earth ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 15:00:55 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Rule of Man and gods praying that is...<g> ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 15:41:43 -0400 Subject: ooc...Bashing? Me?..never! Chip: I guess what I'm suppose to say is..."Gee, your right...I should be nice!" Wrong! I think it is funny that Richard has gone PJG, *but* if he was really playing "ic", he'd outlaw the QSN from even stepping foot into "PJG space", (along with everyone else) instead we find the QSN and PJG are still in bed together...(ie. running around with PJG CCs, that were just "given" them.) I happen to control an ex-QSN captured SoL with pickup authr. for a certain PJG colony. And Richard taking over the PJG will just increase this. I'd like to be wrong....But, I'm not. I guess I'm just honest about it. Techincally, *none* of the SAM "factions" should (or even could) exist, but...since ABM didn't want to f*ck with it any more, they decided to split everything up... My comments were not out of line and after I'm proved right by the PJG...I'll reserve the right to say "I told you so...". The only PJG player I have some "trust" in is Walt, (if he is there) but I have to question his reasoning behind signing up for this "trip". Bests- J. ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@freeside.fc.net> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 15:53:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BSE: Rule of Man and gods On Sun, 30 Jul 1995 Jackmyster@aol.com wrote: > praying that is...<g> I think preying fits the demons better <g>. Kerry ------------------------------ From: ac217@detroit.freenet.org (Chip Charnley) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 16:58:30 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: ooc...Bashing? Me?..never! >Techincally, *none* of the SAM "factions" should (or even could) exist, >but...since ABM didn't want to f*ck with it any more, they decided to split >everything up... > I agree with you here but, since there is nothing we can do about it, why bring it up. >My comments were not out of line and after I'm proved right by the PJG...I'll >reserve the right to say "I told you so...". > Your comments ARE out of line by your own statement "...and after I'm proven right by the PGJ...". My whole point is let them prove it first and then take them to task if they do. Your method only pushes them to make your statements self-fulfilling prophesies. If you don't give people the room to change/be different, they certainly won't. Why do you feel the need to puch them in to fulfilling this role when having them be different would be in your own best interests (not to mention mine and the whole WCE although I don't think it will mean much difference to the SAM). Chip ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@freeside.fc.net> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 16:10:04 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: BSE: ooc...Bashing? Me?..never! On Sun, 30 Jul 1995 Jackmyster@aol.com wrote: > I think it is funny that Richard has gone PJG, *but* if he was really playing > "ic", he'd outlaw the QSN from even stepping foot into "PJG space", (along > with everyone else) instead we find the QSN and PJG are still in bed > together...(ie. running around with PJG CCs, that were just "given" them.) I Now why in the hell would the PGJ outlaw the QSN and everybody else from their space? I'm sure you've heard the expression that politics makes for strange bedfellows? I think this applies in this case - the PGJ are basically fighting to preserve their way of life against an enemy who has expressed the intent to destroy them ad naseum, so the PGJ like just about any group in a similiar situation are seeking aid & succor wherever they can find it. As for the CCs - from what I've seen the PGJ are willing to sell CCs to anybody not hostile towards them. > Techincally, *none* of the SAM "factions" should (or even could) exist, > but...since ABM didn't want to f*ck with it any more, they decided to split > everything up... What you think technically should or shouldn't be doesn't matter in the least (as it pertains to the situation) - what's done is done. > My comments were not out of line and after I'm proved right by the PJG...I'll > reserve the right to say "I told you so...". In my opinion your comments were out of line at this point in time - give the PGJ a chance to find their destiny (if they survive the SAM reunifaction drive). Kerry ------------------------------ From: SYoung3200@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 17:16:33 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: ooc...Bashing? Me?..never! it amazes me that if someone from the WCE coalition or the FGZ coalition took over the PGJ you would not be on here making a fool of your self. or maybe the problem is that if you switched to a new affiliation, you would be doing everything that your accusing others of . evil in your heart so you see evil everywhere? Richard is not the entire PGJ. there are others out here who are playing PGJ who have no ties to the QSN, but find no problem with keeping them friendly. I am all for peaceful relations between the PGJ and all other affiliations. however it is the SAM who have declared their intentions to destroy the PGJ. they claim our area ,we claim some of theirs . thats how wars usually work. If you dont like how the game has turned out, if it bothers you that much-----QUIT! If your going to stay in the game then get used to it. I'm a new player to bse, but i've played many others.my association in the PGJ has been mentioned on the list before, so it is no secret. however based on that fact alone you believe me to be untrustworthy. You and i haven't met , i havent done anything against you, but at least i'm MATURE enough to give you the benefit of the doubt.you say i need to prove myself. I DON'T NEED TO PROVE MYSELF TO ANYONE!!!!! if you dont like my playing style -too bad. you know your not being honest .your being a fool. you act like bse is your own personal game where everything should be just the way you like. you want somethingt like that then have rtg run you a private game. like i said , if whats happening in the game bothers you so much that you cant seperate fantasy from reality, so much that it injures you personally, so much that you feel personal insults are your only recourse then please quit ,cause you are making the rest of the people playing bse look bad. anyone else who may take offense at what i have written i apoligize profusely. my remarks are only directed toward jackmyster. by mentioning the WCE and FGZ i am only using them as examples not accusing them of anything. i had been trying to recruit people, but judging by the attitudes of some of the players i think i should be telling them to stay away. i'd also be happy to keep this type of disagreement of the list, but i'm not the one who picked the forum. i'm not a perfect player but i'm tired of being personally attacked. you got something to say to me then email it straight to me or call me. 612-434-3803, i'm not afraid to listen to CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. shawn young ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 17:27:43 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: ooc...Bashing? Me?..never! <If you don't give people the room to change/be different, they certainly won't.> What, do you think someone is going to take over a "Politcal Position" or AFF and actually change? Are you that much of an optimist, or am I that much of a synic? (sp?) Bests- J. ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 17:27:50 -0400 Subject: PGJ and Richard.... Do Chip and Kerry know something I don't Richard? Have you actually said your going to run the PJG truly "ic"...and not just jump into bed with the QSN? (I must admit, that "bed" is getting awefully crowded...isn't it?) Bests- J. ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 17:27:52 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: ooc...Bashing? Me?..never! <In my opinion your comments were out of line at this point in time - give the PGJ a chance to find their destiny> Kerry, you know what they say about opinions. Let's just see what happens.<G> Bests- J. ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 17:49:41 -0400 Subject: SYoung... Hmmmm. Two choices, be nice...or not. I think I'll be nice. I do not recall mentioning your name or your character, or anything else about you, anywhere. I don't know you, or really even care about you. Are you the PD of the PJG? Are you going to set policies for them? Let's see, who here believes that the PJG are really nice guys? That mean 'ol Jackmyster is just being "mean"? That they really aren't the QSN in funny clothes? (no offense WSP/SAM<g>) Show of hands? I didn't "pick" anyone out except for Richard and Walt. Richard, I know...I've been on the receiving end of his "deals", and ah..."honesty". I also know Walt, I think Walt is a good, intellegent, and honest "IC" player. So...did I "brand" the whole PJG as a bunch of "lairs"? Did I just insult the whole group? MY POINT was that it is very typical of the QSN to put players into every AFF they can so they can't get what they want from that AFF. (and I've got years of history to back that up with!) Oh, and incase your questioning *my* integrety, don't! I'm ex-SSL, and to date, I still don't think *anyone* has ever seen a SSL BS! Next... J. Geez, it really pisses me off for one person to get on a soap box and "ball me out" publically over something they think I meant. Half of your bandwith didn't even apply to what I said! "QUIT"...the last cry of someone who doesn't have a leg to stand on. ------------------------------ From: "Hendrick,Bill;=9462771" <BHENDRICK@kean.ucs.mun.ca> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 19:50:20 +0200 (IST) Subject: BSE Jack I think you could be out of line here. I have no idea what is going on in that corner of the transhole and it really doesn't affect me ic or ooc, but what I don't like hearing is a player call another player(s) cheaters without any evidence. So the PGJ transferred some CCs to the QSN. Was it given or part of a trade? Who knows? It could have been in exchange for a tech tape, future hauling, SoLs I don't know and neither do you. This whole discussion seemed to start when you made a snide comment about how QSNish it was for the PGJ to be claiming systems. I could be wrong but it seems to make sense for a breakaway republic to do that. All I am saying Jack is you are accusing Richard and perhaps a few other players of cheating. The last time I looked at the rules being caught cheating meant being kicked out of the game. This is a very serious accusation and one that players should not take lightly. So if you are going to accuse someone of it you had produce proof or I don't want to see it. Bill ------------------------------ From: RuleOfMan@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 18:19:05 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Some tips on using the Embot program In a message dated 95-07-29 19:54:40 EDT, you write: >Hi! I'm Embot, and I've been set up to look through email messages >as they arrive here and try to extract and respond to requests for >files and other such miscellaneous tasks. I'm really quite easy to Die Embot creature! Oh, sorry I'll have some more black lotus now, thank you very much. ------------------------------ From: RuleOfMan@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 18:20:06 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: PGJ Recruitment In a message dated 95-07-29 20:29:50 EDT, you write: >Oh goody, just what we need to liven up BSE; good, old fashion, religous >jihads! 8^) Hey! Religous jihads are alwasy in fashion! Rule of Man ------------------------------ From: RuleOfMan@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 18:25:09 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Public Service Message In a message dated 95-07-29 20:33:04 EDT, you write: >Let me put this clearly and succinctly, you, sir, need help. > Serious...mental...assistance. With your comments, I put you in the same, >repeat, SAME category as the GREYs; potential menaces to peace. If I were >you, I would outfit a ship and crew it with all the semi-intelligent >"humanity" that thinks like you and find a nice, empty, unclaimed system >somewhere and settle there. Then post where you are, so the rest of the sane >races of known space can avoid you. It is you and the rest of humanity that need help ... can't you see? The aliens they are everywhere, they are trying to takeover everything! They must be stopped at all costs! From your comments you must have been brainwashed by your alien overlords OR maybe you're one of those lowest of the low ... a RACE TRAITOR! But fear not! There shall come a day of reckoning and you shall be made to see the light! Rule of Man Purity of race leads to purity of thought and purpose. ------------------------------ From: RuleOfMan@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 18:32:58 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: PJG Claims In a message dated 95-07-30 12:47:32 EDT, you write: >The FGZ will not Honor the "claims" of the PJG to SAM space....Our Allaince >is with the SAM! And what would the alien animals called Flagritz know of honor? >Lord Den of Earth YOU DARE! YOU DARE! YOU DARE CLAIM YOU'RE FROM HOLY MOTHER EARTH!?! BLASPHMER! INFIDEL! ALIEN SCUM! DIE! DIE!! DIE!!! Rule of Man ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 19:05:36 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: BSE Bill: My commit was meant as a "joke". Then, I began to get lambased for it, and really didn't take it very well. I am not accusing anyone of cheating either. My point was, and still is that the QSN have (granted, in the past) put players into other AFFs only later to have "profitted" greatly by it. I will point out something: CCs have not been (until recently) for sale to anyone. ABM wouldn't allow it, but...seemly the QSN had some, the only way they could have gotten away with it, was to capture it on the ground. IF that was the case, the PJG should have been at war with the QSN... Quite frankly, I believe this is much to do about nothing... Bests- J. ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 19:43:45 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: PJG Claims In a message dated 95-07-30 19:23:33 EDT, you write: >And what would the alien animals called Flagritz... Why...thank you. >YOU DARE! YOU DARE! YOU DARE CLAIM YOU'RE FROM HOLY MOTHER >EARTH!?! >BLASPHMER! INFIDEL! ALIEN SCUM! DIE! DIE!! DIE!!! >Rule of Man I was not around when the "decesion" to make me was made...but, if you care to find fault with me over my creation, your more than welcome to come to NeverWhere to discuss it with me. Lord Den of "Mother" Earth ------------------------------ From: PROTHORAX@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 20:32:43 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Public Service Message Greetings human Noa creature, Our government is small and will not be able to conduct nomal research as other governments. But, we do plan to sell our meger efferts in research. The SAM receive first options of course. JANUS PROTHORAX ------------------------------ From: PROTHORAX@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 20:32:53 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Rule of Man and gods (ooc) I liked preying myself?! :) later david ------------------------------ From: PROTHORAX@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 20:33:03 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: ooc...Bashing? Me?..never! (ooc) Some histroy hear as I have in this neck of the woods for a wial?! The PGJ and QSN have had a long relationship and this does include trade and other activities. In the past the PGJ has been anti-human big time and has roleplayed there total pro-insectiod stance. The activities include attacking human colonies in the transhole for the sake of insectiods everywhere. [personally the WaSP take a more favorable view of humankind] The PGJ have also taken the view of bringing all insectiod into there fold or way of thinking. This was stated in there profile from the begining and they really haven't changed that much over time. Don't get me wrong here! I'm not in anyway pro QSN or PGJ as I think some of there activities in the FAR PAST were gray at best?! And what I know will stay with me. It's in the past and will stay there. Everyone should know the FGZ are anti-QSN and they have GOOD reason to be that way and so they get a little hot and flame the PGJ, a known transhole QSN allie, as it souldn't be surprising to anyone! Now for the SAM breakup. It was dead in the transhole?! No one was here and MP wanted to spice things up a little and to water down the SAM!! For the first time interstate was open for all the hoards of starcaptions from every group under the sun?! It was survival and groups like the QSN tried to take advange of the SAM demise. Only one SAM colony survived. The breakup was game history and shouldn't be wiped out as every major group in the transhole had a big play in the flow of history. Why do you think there is so much anti-QSN flaming from old transhole players?! Game history! Well, this is one point of view. later david ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 21:29:31 -0400 Subject: WSP May the FGZ have second option? Much Honor: Lord Den of Earth ------------------------------ From: Jackmyster@aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 21:29:38 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: ooc...Bashing? Me?..never! David: Thanks for your input. You explain things better than I can... Must be that damn Scotch I've been drunnkin.<g> Bests- J. ------------------------------ From: ac217@detroit.freenet.org (Chip Charnley) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 21:55:42 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: ooc...Bashing? Me?..never! >What, do you think someone is going to take over a "Politcal Position" or AFF >and actually change? > Yes. I've seen it done. >Are you that much of an optimist, or am I that much of a synic? (sp?) {close - cynic :-) Guess that remains to be seen. ------------------------------ End of BSE Digest V195 #267 *************************** BSE Digest - All items Copyright (c) 1995, by their respective authors, permission is granted to redistribute as long as proper credit is given. To subscribe to BSE Digest, send the command: + subscribe bse-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@fc.net". 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