BSE Digest v195 #270 From: kerry@freeside.fc.net (Kerry Harrison) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 1995 00:00:00 +0000 BSE Digest Tuesday, 1 August 1995 Volume 195 : Number 270 Welcome to the BSE Digest, the place to discuss all the myriad aspects of life Beyond the Stellar Empire with other denizens of the Greater Periphery. In this issue: + [none] + DRELL + Drell ceded + Re: BSE: DRELL + Re: BSE: Drell ceded + Re: BSE: DRELL + BSE:PGJ insanity + Re: BSE:List abuse + test + Rule of Man + Re: BSE: Onwards.... + Re: BSE: Public Service Message + DTR Warlord + BSE:Onwards.... + RE: BSE:Onwards.... + Whoops.... + SAM/PGJ War + PGJ Open + Re: BSE: Whoops.... + Re: BSE:Onwards.... + Re: BSE: PGJ Open + Re: BSE: PGJ Open See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the bse-list and bse-digest mailing lists. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: George Hammond <gstarrh@umich.edu> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 19:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [none] subscribe gstarrh@umich.edu ------------------------------ From: Henry4633@aol.com Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:08:37 -0400 Subject: DRELL (WELCOME TO HOME OF QSN EMPIRE) OUR TARRIFS ARE WHAT WE CHOOSE TO MAKE THEM THOSE WHO COME IN PEACE ARE WELCOME.THE REST MAY TASTE OUR STEEL. 1.All starship authorized to trade and buy or sell at are trade center on ODUDIS in space square 435 QSN colony UITREDD (1439).All other world and moon in DRELL are OFF LIMIT to shiping. 2.Only those starship authorized by the high com. my go to other world in DRELL. 3.All warship are unauthorized to be in system of DRELL (43) with out the ok from the WARLOX 4.All starship not following this law will be fine or shot. 5.Following affillation are not welcome in DRELL are WCE,AIS,WSP,FGS.IND are welcome in DRELL. 6.All starship own by Marshall Whispers of GTT will leave QSN air space now by order of BLACK TIGER DEFENDER OF DRELL. By order of Warlox Defender of DRELL Admiral Asakura Soteki ------------------------------ From: LUDENDORF@delphi.com Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Drell ceded United Press Intergalactic - News release 195-30 IMP Jax At a vid-conference at IMP Jax, ISP PD von Ludendorf announced today that the treaty between the QSN & IMP, ceding Drell to the native race, the QSN, has been signed. Effective immediately, Drell is no longer IMP territory. ISP forces sent to enforce IMP jurisdiction are being withdrawn back to their precincts. Joe Bob Briggs UPI News ------------------------------ From: "Cap'n Scragg" <scragg@infi.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:32:36 +0000 Subject: Re: BSE: DRELL > (WELCOME TO HOME OF QSN EMPIRE) > Empire: Supreme rule, absolute power of authority; dominion. I don't think so yellow boy. Your still in IMP space. > 3.All warship are unauthorized to be in system of DRELL > (43) with out the ok from the WARLOX Hasn't stopped before won't stop again. > 4.All starship not following this law will be fine or shot. Your right on this one. I don't follow the law and I'm fine. > 5.Following affillation are not welcome in DRELL are > WCE,AIS,WSP,FGS.IND are welcome in DRELL. Oh goody! Does that mean you guys arent hacked off at the RIP anymore? Gee you guys are swell. I must admit, the entertainment value of the QSN is very, very high. Cap'n Scragg ------------------------------ From: "Cap'n Scragg" <scragg@infi.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:38:00 +0000 Subject: Re: BSE: Drell ceded > United Press Intergalactic - News release > > 195-30 IMP Jax > > At a vid-conference at IMP Jax, ISP PD von Ludendorf announced today > that the treaty between the QSN & IMP, ceding Drell to the native race, > the QSN, has been signed. Effective immediately, Drell is no longer > IMP territory. ISP forces sent to enforce IMP jurisdiction are being > withdrawn back to their precincts. > > Joe Bob Briggs > UPI News > Let the turkey shoot begin! ------------------------------ From: "Cap'n Scragg" <scragg@infi.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:40:17 +0000 Subject: Re: BSE: DRELL > > (WELCOME TO HOME OF QSN EMPIRE) > > > Empire: Supreme rule, absolute power of authority; dominion. > > I don't think so yellow boy. Your still in IMP space. > Ooops, just saw the IMPs message. As of three minutes ago Drell is yours. My mistake. ------------------------------ From: Mike Shepherd <73477.3213@compuserve.com> Date: 31 Jul 95 22:00:21 EDT Subject: BSE:PGJ insanity V`Ril T`Bak, The PGJ are only demonstating what is well known. They are dangerously insane. There is no eight legged bug god. This is simply a manifestation of their insanity. They have turned away from the `True Word of the Ariziel`. V. Adm. Berek SAM Raging Storm ------------------------------ From: ASOCCIO@aol.com Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 22:11:16 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE:List abuse In a message dated 95-07-30 23:00:28 EDT, you write: >Please be >considerate and use private E-mail when appropriate. >If I'm out of line here feel free to blast me. > >Thanks >Joe I'm with you Joe Tony ------------------------------ From: philip.breault@com2bbs.com (Philip Breault) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 19:11:00 -0800 Subject: test Test post. \\\|/// -(o o)- +------------------------oOOOo--(_)--oOOOo----------------------------+ | COM2: BBS | sysop: Sean Azhadi | | San Diego, CA. | Internet: sysop@com2bbs.com | | 619.737.0495 BBS 12 Nodes | Info: info@com2bbs.com | | 619.737.9659 voice | | +---------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ The contents of this message do not necessarily reflect the opinions of this BBS, it's operators or sponsors... But they should. ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@freeside.fc.net> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 22:25:53 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Rule of Man Has been removed from the BSE List. There will be no futher comment on the matter. Kerry ------------------------------ From: NoaKrieger@aol.com Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 23:31:20 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Onwards.... In a message dated 95-07-31 07:32:30 EDT, you write: >I was just recently told that Kerry has now gone DTR...IF this is true, I am >going to complain. Since RTG took over BSE, Kerry has been in three different >AFFs. He has "strong" working knowledge of all 3. I think this is *unfair* >(or at least ridiculous.) [OOC] Oh, for Ch**st's sake, Jack! Will you let up and play the game? I don't care if Kerry has joined 30 AFFs in a year! Just play the damn game! ------------------------------ From: NoaKrieger@aol.com Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 23:29:13 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: Public Service Message In a message dated 95-07-30 18:28:55 EDT, you write: >It is you and the rest of humanity that need help ... can't you see? The >aliens they are everywhere, they are trying to takeover everything! They >must be stopped at all costs! ... I think either the SSL or the FET should start researching a couple of new drugs; either "Planet Prosac" or "VIrtual Valium". There is DEFINITELY a market forming.8^) ------------------------------ From: NatMathias@aol.com Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 23:50:55 -0400 Subject: DTR Warlord To all concerned parties: I have been asked to relay this message to all BSE players on the net by the DTR PD, DW Ash. "Kerry Harrison was being interviewed for the position of DTR Warlord but was not accepted for the position nor will he be accepted into the DTR. Furthermore, his recruitment message was not authorized nor is it valid. We are offering 2 Man-o-Wars or 2 Merchantman class ships as well as a class 5 colony to new interested DTR players. We are not giving new DTR players *100,000 as an enlistment bonus." ------------------------------ From: "Richard A. Loutzenheiser" <76311.2317@compuserve.com> Date: 01 Aug 95 00:08:57 EDT Subject: BSE:Onwards.... Re Joe's Comments on changing affiliations. I never thought that Joe and I would agree on anything, <G> but I second his remarks in their entireity. For the Record BTW, I joined the SAM 4+ years (yes the word is YEARS) after I left the ISP. I brought 0 (ZERO) positions with me and all I have asked from RTG was my old ranks and my troop training. Everything else I have came from the other Samillian players. The information points that have been brought up are very good ones. Even though I haven't been IMP for along time, there are several things about Geneb, etc. that I know that I shouldn't and it is tough to always remember what you "don't" know. Affiliation jumping is far too easy and I favour any of the suggestions placed here about changing the parameters of a move. Richard Loutzenheiser, SAM ------------------------------ From: Slater@.nodak.edu Date: Tue, 1 Aug 95 00:27:15 CDT Subject: RE: BSE:Onwards.... {ooc} Speaking as a "newbie", I have to say I tend to agree with the camp that favors fairly restricted movement between affiliations. If one doesn't feel at least somewhat tied down to an AFF, it makes role-playing less significant. I mean, especially if you skip between human and non-human AFF's, where is the character development? Where are the longterm plot lines? I have just started to play, and for the foreseeable future, I DON'T want to run my own AFF. I'm quite happy playing for now a minor supporting role in the AFF I'm in, and earning my way up the ladder. 'course, to quote Dennis Miller, "that's just my opinion, I could be wrong" :-) Jeremy {IC} %fragment comlink leakage to subspace general broadcast band {translated from the original Pennockan}% ..have received QSN broadcasts...problems with the translator, but I think ship is receiving some form of insult from these "Others". Multiple statements telling me to "Go to Drell". Will investigate - may represent some form of tribal ritual denigration... Ens. Sauron, PFM - ------------------------------------- E-mail: JSlater@mail.med.und.nodak.edu 07/31/95 23:57:33 "If you're not part of the solution, you haven't dissolved yet..." - ------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Shannon Rundquist <75477.1627@compuserve.com> Date: 01 Aug 95 01:50:09 EDT Subject: Whoops.... Kerry Like this? Shazz ------------------------------ From: Geoff Hanna <71552.3003@compuserve.com> Date: 01 Aug 95 03:54:24 EDT Subject: SAM/PGJ War to:BSE-List Brad: Okeydokey, the forum is to be public and OOC instead of the much more fun public and IC or even private and OOC... Maybe it's just as well, an opportunity of sorts to formally introduce myself and my playing style to all. I think the recent KZK Central Command statement is getting somehow confused in the whole snarling debate about the various player affiliation jumps currently obsessing this board. I admit to the crime of being a new player who is suddenly a PD. I was as surprised by this as anyone, last time I played a space opera it took me a year to get to PD level and even then I had to start my own affiliation (I was a trucker weenie). There is another player in the KZK who is senior to me in BSE time but he declined the position. I am not apologetic about my new position. I *like* leading an affiliation. I like the politics and EMail and phone calls. I would rather give out missions than take them. Judging from the average ego quotient seen on this board, I am not alone in this preference. And I am not going to go against my race's role-playing guidelines or cower in the depths of my hidden colonies just cause I'm new to this particular PBM game. But enough of that, you asked for some clarifications: >> The SAM are prosecuting a war of genocide and fratricide >> against the PGJ. > Which, in your opinion, is it? Why? In this case, it DOES > matter. Both. And my opinion really doesn't matter. This is what I believe my KZK bugs would decide. They desire cooperation (or at least tolerated co-existance) amongst all the bug races. >> The PGJ have a right to exist outside of the HiveMind, >> much as we learned to do by necessity many eons ago. >Do they have the right to do so in SAM space? Yes. They have a right to exist. Wherever they happen to have been dropped by the previous company who's name no one speaks. Even if it were KZK space (which is easy for me to say since we have none). I have heard the argument that they shouldn't exist at all. It's a straw argument, they *do* exist. Besides, it's also an out-of-game argument and has nothing to do with role-playing. > I disagree. Everything I've heard & seen from the SAM > indicate that they want, no - NEED (to make the Hive Mind > whole again) - I respect their role-playing. I would likely do the same if I were them. But then, watching the V'ril the FOE's excellent role-playing doesn't make me want to start worshipping Foebius (although the whole pleasure slave thing *is* developing a certain personal appeal). > Noble, but what's in it for you? War is expensive (see a > Prothorax post, if you disagree). You are missing the whole point. The KZK are a warrior race. It's in the profile. We should be looking for a fight just because we can, not because we think it is convenient. And we should definitely not be looking for a cheap way out of a war we are already in (no matter how we got into the war). > Do you actually think that it's up to you how big this thing > becomes? If the SAM & PGJ were to come to peace tomorrow, you > WILL not automatically be off the hook. I am new, but that is spelled "n e w" and not "n a i v e". > You will, & more. It's not your place to decide how & if the > allies of one against whom you've transgressed will respond. See above. "Have you interdicted SAM space ..., only SAM positions there, only the orbit there, or what?" The planet Harlop and it's orbit. "I think your actions may be legal under the IMP..." They are "but what about non-SAM contract haulers to the planet? Are you prepared for the ramifications from other groups if they are fired upon?" Central Command gave reasonable and fair notice. SAM/WsP ships are being targeted now. We are, after all, in a declared state of war. Other AFFs will not be targeted until week 32. Harlop orbit is hardly the hub of the universe - it is a dead planet with only one SAM colony and no other positions (as of week 30). It is all but certain that a position entering orbit would have intentions to support the SAM below and if so, would be considered a hostile by any player in my situation. Besides, the colony has INJURED on it's market list for BOB's sake! Hardly a trading hot spot. This is getting way too long. I don't mind being a newbie but hate above all to be boring. Besides, KZK should act and not talk (except my somewhat delusional CC captain who is probably the only bug in space that really wants peace and besides has this cool translator toy to play with...) To save bandwidth I am going to try and address everything else in your message all at once: 1. Kerry may have gotten the KZK into this, but WE (the current players, I am not alone, we all agree) are choosing to follow our role-playing profile. We are pursuing this course of action ONLY because we believe our profile pretty much requires it. I will be happy to post my copy of the KZK profile if anyone is interested in it. 2. None of us are QSN stooges or any other such nonsense that I have heard about the KZK. We are all fairly new to the game and unencumbered by player faction loyalties. We value all of our trading partners but we trade with a lot more AFFs than just the QSN. Maybe someday many years from now we will *be* a player faction (did I mention that I am an optimist? <g>) but we wish to stay out of the current faction dynamics. 3. We do intend to try and keep this war in a containable theater. A "polite" war if you will. For example, we will be going to great pains to avoid killing any Hive Queens that may reside in SAM targets and will return any we capture to the SAM. We hope to someday be a SAM ally, or at least snuggly bug buddies. We understand that they may not feel the same way, but oh well, so it goes with unilateral policies. Ya takes yer chances. 4. We are fully aware of the possiblity that we will lose this war and maybe very badly. It may even be a likelihood. We will naturally do all we can to avoid such a fate, and are plotting and spending way too much real money to do so. In some quarters, some of us are considered to be wily gaming opponents. But we are not going to beat our chests and cry our omnipotence. At most we will promise to make our deaths entertaining to whoever finally squashes us, and wiggle under the thumb of our conqueror for as long as possible. But it is just a <gasp - how could he say that!?> game. If we die in this I suspect the sun will rise anyway. last thing (I promise) "...the tone of your note indicates that you just might not realize what you've bitten off here..." The tone of the note was role-playing the KZK Central Command. Did you really expect a council of executive battlebugs to sprinkle their edicts with <g>'s and IMHO's? Hey - at least you responded. Everybody else pretty much just ignores KZK Central Command statements <g>. Geoff ------------------------------ From: btb4@lehigh.edu (B T Braun) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 1995 07:14:16 EDT Subject: PGJ Open According to a recent ship turn: "The Pan-Galactic Jihad (affiliation #37) is now open.... Players interested in joining the PGJ must contact RTG by the end of week 32. On week 33...randomly assign all...PGJ [positions]...." Well, I had been considering asking the SAM if they'd allow me to join up with them. However, in this new light, I will be requesting PGJ membership. Evidently, many of the messages "from" the PGJ lately haven't exactly been "official". Be seeing you, Brad Braun btb4@lehigh.edu ///////////////////*********************************************\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ USS: Sheepwrights to the stars since 186. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------ From: "Hendrick,Bill;=9462771" <BHENDRICK@kean.ucs.mun.ca> Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 09:30:10 +0200 (IST) Subject: Re: BSE: Whoops.... On 1 Aug 1995, Shannon Rundquist wrote: > Kerry > > Like this? > > Shazz > > Yes Like that. Bill ------------------------------ From: Scragg@infi.net (Cap'n Scragg) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:08:26 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE:Onwards.... >Re Joe's Comments on changing affiliations. > >I never thought that Joe and I would agree on anything, <G> but I second his >remarks in their entireity. For the Record BTW, I joined the SAM 4+ years (yes >the word is YEARS) after I left the ISP. I brought 0 (ZERO) positions with me >and all I have asked from RTG was my old ranks and my troop training. >Everything else I have came from the other Samillian players. > Ditto, when I came back in all I asked for was a Corsair commanded by a Captain and full troop training. My other ships and colonies I have aquired during the course of normal play. Joe ------------------------------ From: Scragg@infi.net (Cap'n Scragg) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:08:35 -0400 Subject: Re: BSE: PGJ Open >According to a recent ship turn: > > >"The Pan-Galactic Jihad (affiliation #37) is now open.... Players interested >in joining the PGJ must contact RTG by the end of week 32. On week >33...randomly assign all...PGJ [positions]...." > >Well, I had been considering asking the SAM if they'd allow me to join up with >them. However, in this new light, I will be requesting PGJ membership. >Evidently, many of the messages "from" the PGJ lately haven't exactly been >"official". > >Be seeing you, > >Brad Braun >btb4@lehigh.edu Brad: So are you going bug? Under the circumstances you just mentioned I'd join the PGJ then "surrender" to the SAM. You end up being one big happy bug family. The SAM and the PGJ would be better off as one entity anyway. Later Joe ------------------------------ From: btb4@lehigh.edu (B T Braun) Date: Tue, 01 Aug 1995 08:23:54 EDT Subject: Re: BSE: PGJ Open Joe, Well, I might just be thinking something like that.... Be seeing you, Brad Braun btb4@lehigh.edu ///////////////////*********************************************\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ USS: Sheepwrights to the stars since 186. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ------------------------------ End of BSE Digest V195 #270 *************************** BSE Digest - All items Copyright (c) 1995, by their respective authors, permission is granted to redistribute as long as proper credit is given. To subscribe to BSE Digest, send the command: + subscribe bse-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@fc.net". 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