ATLANTISv2 atl-players-digest #159

From: csd@microplex.com (Christian Daudt)

Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 00:00:00 +0000

Errors to csd@microplex.com
Now there should be a digest whenever (a) there are 10 emails
or (b) whenever there is an email waiting for more than 48 hours
for a digest to be completed.
So don't get worried if the digest has only 1 or 2 emails, that
just means the list has been slow.
(I hope it works)
If you want previous versions, they are available via WWW at
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Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 08:44:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Jeff Heinen <jeffh@ee.pdx.edu>
Subject: Re: Some design/rule thoughts for A3

On Tue, 24 Oct 1995, Glenn Harvel wrote:

> >
> > >
> > > 3. Maybe in the new version, assuming there will still be wandering
> > >    monsters, some weaker monsters could appear first, then the killer
> > >    ones? Right now, scouting with an unarmed single elf is cheap and
> > >    effective, but there's no reason it should remain so. I'm thinking
> > >    of monsters that could be beated with just 5-10 COM-2 troops here,
> > >    and not a whole lot of them, nothing powerful at all.
> >
> > You're just loaded with ideas today aren't you?  Maybe the surrounding areas
> > of the entrance cities from AC could have a few monsters wondering around the
> > outskirts.  These could be at a basic level.
> >
> > The further you go from the city, the more dangerous the monsters.
> >
>
> Then there would be little reason to leave the city, unless of course,
> the rewards increased further from the city as well.
>
> What I have always thought interesting, but obviously hard to code in,
> would be a two-tiered game.  Advanced players could make their leaders
> into gods and move to the upper tier where they could use their god
> powers to influence the lower tier as well as continue the battle in the
> upper tier.  This would help late starters since a god player would have
> to give up all of his people in the lower tier and create a vacuum.
> Otherwise, after a year of playing, there is no point in joining the game.
>
> Glenn
>

Or better yet, what about a 3 or 4 tired game? Then you have not only
Gods, but Demi-Gods and Semi-Gods and Just plain people too. :_)

For some reason this just seems to be more complexity and it dosnt
help that much. How whould you become a God? Number of Hexes? Of units?
Cash flow? A spell?
Whould you loose everything when you move? What if someone already has
your land in a higher plane? Then you are out of luck and at the mercy
of those that have been there for a while.

The best way I can see for long games is to make things cost to upkeep.
The large fractions get too large, they are imposible to manage and keep
fed. So you loose some units here and there because they get bored, or
tired and just want to leave. It happens.

-Jeff

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From: Dave "Mack" McGaw <u3djm@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Some design/rule thoughts for A3
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 17:00:41 +0000 (GMT)

>> What I have always thought interesting, but obviously hard to code in,
>> would be a two-tiered game.  Advanced players could make their leaders
>> into gods and move to the upper tier where they could use their god
>> powers to influence the lower tier as well as continue the battle in the
>> upper tier.  This would help late starters since a god player would have
>> to give up all of his people in the lower tier and create a vacuum.
>> Otherwise, after a year of playing, there is no point in joining the game.
>>
>
> Or better yet, what about a 3 or 4 tired game? Then you have not only
> Gods, but Demi-Gods and Semi-Gods and Just plain people too. :_)
>
> For some reason this just seems to be more complexity and it dosnt
> help that much. How whould you become a God? Number of Hexes? Of units?
> Cash flow? A spell?
> Whould you loose everything when you move? What if someone already has
> your land in a higher plane? Then you are out of luck and at the mercy
> of those that have been there for a while.

I've said it before and I'll say it again!  Immortals and Gods don't have muchfun!  I know - I've been one!!!!

Just for those who missed my last mail, I used to play a Multi-User Dungeon
(or MUD) and became a God on it (Way to go Mack).  The problem was, when you
become a God, you just float around in spirit and don't do much else.

You can't buy/sell stuff, use items, anything - pretty damned boring.

I'm not saying that this idea would be the same, but it will be too hard to
code it on two, three or four levels, and would lead to God-Bashin Syndrome.
 IEGods coming down to earth to smite his foes who wouldn't stand and earthly!

(Come on - How many Gods do you know that have been whooped by mortals ? And don't quote ancient Greek mythology to me please!)

Just not viable (and too damn boring!)

Regards

Mack
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From: Dave "Mack" McGaw <u3djm@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Magic training
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 17:01:58 +0000 (GMT)

>
> On Tue, 24 Oct 1995, Anthony Chow wrote:
>
>>
>> I seek the magic of teleportation...
>>
>
> I also seek this knowledge....
>
>
> Glenn
>

From where?

Mack's AC Portal Service will be starting within the turn to places afar!

Any interested parties can contact me!

Regards

Mack
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From: Michael Omotayo Akinde <strategy@iesd.auc.dk>
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 18:32:05 +0100
Subject: Re: Some design/rule thoughts for A3

> The best way I can see for long games is to make things cost to upkeep.
> The large fractions get too large, they are imposible to manage and keep
> fed. So you loose some units here and there because they get bored, or
> tired and just want to leave. It happens.
>
> -Jeff

You don`t need upkeep to make that the case - I find the game boring enough
as it is! I`d have dropped out long ago, if not because of the wars that
keep bedevilling my alliance. :-) Can`t drop out in the middle of everything
now, can we?

Regards,

Legate Michael.
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From: Dave "Mack" McGaw <u3djm@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Chris Dowling - Where are you?
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 18:26:36 +0000 (GMT)

Sorry to all on the players list for this.

Chris,

I'm having hassles with my mailbox again, so I don't know if you got my mail.

If you got them, fine, if not, mail me please!

Regards as ever

Mack

PS Sorry to the players for any inconvenience!
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From: Dave "Mack" McGaw <u3djm@csc.liv.ac.uk>
Subject: Mack's Home Page
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 1995 19:48:17 +0000 (GMT)

OK folks, all interested in the home pages RAISE YOUR HANDS!

I know this thing is eagerly awaited (it's not that good, honest, turn back
now, don't flood the system, honestly - it's not that good!!!)  (OK maybe it
is).
so I can only apologise for the delay.

The thing is, the techies up here in Liverpool have decided to allow ANYONE
the opportunity to run a set of web pages from their own accounts, as opposed
tothe central server.

This means tonnes of work involved to, in the words of Jean-Luc Picard, "make
it so"!  This means that as soon as a page is done, it should be live.  I
think the URL is :

http://www.csc.liv.ac.uk/users/u3djm/home/index2.html

but check it and see if the local access is up yet! (I don't know if it is!)

If there is any change, I'll mail the list again!!

Regards as ever to all

Mack
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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 09:49:51 +1000 (EST)
From: Robert Henley <rhenley@st.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: god damm domminion

i decided to build a home for my units in atlantis city.what happens the
god damm domminion assianates my unit building a home.all because they
decided that it wasn't in their interest for anyone else to own a home in
atlantis city.got one thing to say bastards i won't forget this i am
going to erge my war allies to blow your crappy units off the face of the
game.the deatgh of my high priest will not be forgiven or forgotten

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Razors pain you;Rivers are damp;Acids stain you;And drugs cause cramp;Guns
aren't lawful;Nooses give;Gas smells awful;sod it you may as well live

Everthing in life is someplace else and you get there in a car

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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 10:18:19 +1000 (EST)
From: Robert Henley <rhenley@st.nepean.uws.edu.au>
Subject: re formation of protection for atlantis city

the city doesn't need to be protected from large factions it needs to be
protected from these factions assisinating all units they decide who
interfere with their plans.(goog good no that new faction built a
building in atlantis assisinate him quickly how dare he not consult us
first.what was he doing building a home,teaching other new factions,such
crimes agist hummanity) stealing to support themselves from the smaller
factions.this is the real danger in atlantis city.

death to the dommion

Razors pain you;Rivers are damp;Acids stain you;And drugs cause cramp;Guns
aren't lawful;Nooses give;Gas smells awful;sod it you may as well live

Everthing in life is someplace else and you get there in a car

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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 10:33:43 +1000 (EST)
From: Robert Henley <rhenley@st.nepean.uws.edu.au>

scene late afternoon at site of new constuction for st rhions cathedral

rhion(high priest) had hard day supervising the cement pour on the west wing
arriving back at the main enterence he met lord and lady viper.

(rhion) "ah yes lord viper how can a be of service,the cathedral is still in
the middle of being built so the usual services are being run at the old
location on main street if you hurry you could still catch the service.

(lord viper) "no actual i came to talk to you on an urgent matter this"

as he said thoes words lady vemon sneaking up behind rhion thrust the
knife deeep into rhions throat and laughted as blood spurted across her
clothes.

(lady vemon) "that teach him to teach and build rooom in atlantis city"

(lord viper)"yes what is the world coming to we don't make nearly as much
money stealing from new factions since only restarts advailable,better
get going we still got to kill cookie "

the two slip quitly out the door leaving rhions body to be found by
members of the church arriving to help rhion build the next morning

(members of the church)
"this must be the work of the dommion look the bastards are still here
the bloody hide to not only kill the priest but to actually stay and move in"
(other members of the church)
"we better flee if they see us they be after us to kill us as well"
(members of the church)
"we run down the road and see if our allies can hide us until that magic
pportal is open on monday to telport us out of here "
(other members of the church)
"we report the situation to our ppowerfull war ally see if he kill off a
few dommion @##$$$% for us"

Razors pain you;Rivers are damp;Acids stain you;And drugs cause cramp;Guns
aren't lawful;Nooses give;Gas smells awful;sod it you may as well live

Everthing in life is someplace else and you get there in a car

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Date: Wed, 25 Oct 1995 13:25:26 +1100 (EST)
From: Christopher Dowling <cjd@dce.vic.gov.au>
Subject: Re: god damm domminion

I think that people in this situation should look to investing in Obs 5,
this makes assassins useless, there have been plenty of people offer to
provide protection for 5-10 silver a turn while you get around to
studying.  You only need to lose one high level character to learn this
lesson.

PS how do you know who it was ?