Re: Olympia Gripes

From: Kevin Davis Connery <keradwc@rahul.net>

Date: Sat, 02 Dec 1995 00:00:00 +0000

In a recent article (<tandmb-3011951704490001@204.94.232.47>), tandmb@sierra.net (Tony Baldacci) wrote:

>Well, if you're looking at it from the standpoint for defining "winning"
>as acheiving your own goals, there's certainly some validity to your
>statements.
>But you must admit that not everyone is going to measure your
>accomplishments using the same criteria...

Actualy, Tony, your response would better apply to David desJardins comment:

| The premises are
| pretty simple: (1) enjoyment in playing the game comes from attempting
| to achieve goals which are challenging and require skill; (2) at this
|  point in the game, any goal that doesn't involve conflict with other
| players requires no skill to accomplish; (3) therefore the only interest
| in the game comes from provoking conflict with other players (i.e.,
| "military conquest and domination").  Now, if (1) isn't true for you,
| then this reasoning doesn't apply.  But (1) _is_ true for me, and
| therefore there are a limited number of things that can interest me.

After all, I don't see hom dropping out of, say, life, because he's run
out of goals which are challenging and require skill; similarly Carl's
decision to, say, achieve wealth and power in the Real World wouldn't
have much impact on you were your goals self-enlightenment.

Yes, they're silly and extreme examples, but roleplaying permits a
breadth and wealth of opportunity--something which those working
strictly from a wargaming approach seem to be incapable of understanding.
(Heck, few enough can *recognize* it!)

AOO Folks:

The game's not over because you say it is, guys. For me, it'll be over
when I drop, but that's not likely to bother anyone outside my small
circle of allies. When/if the AOO drops, it'll be over for them as well--
and, yes, that hole will be noiced by more than mine will, but it certainly
doesn't end the game for everyone else.

Now, you could choose to ruin everyone else's enjoyment by taking the
Sauron approach of scorched earth, but short of that, you're going to
be hard pressed to get everyone to agree that "you won", no matter how
loudly you proclaim it.

References

Olympia - Time for G2?
Rob Rodgers <rrodgers@unex.ucla.edu>
Mon, 25 Sep 1995 00:00:00 +0000
Re: Olympia Gripes
Mark Hendrickson <eahg128@aldebaran.oac.uci.edu>
Tue, 28 Nov 1995 00:00:00 +0000
Re: Olympia Gripes
cedman@capitalist.princeton.edu (Carl Edman)
Wed, 29 Nov 1995 00:00:00 +0000
Re: Olympia Gripes
tandmb@sierra.net (Tony Baldacci)
Fri, 01 Dec 1995 00:00:00 +0000

Referenced By

Olympia - Time for G2?
Rob Rodgers <rrodgers@unex.ucla.edu>
Mon, 25 Sep 1995 00:00:00 +0000
Re: Olympia Gripes
Mark Hendrickson <eahg128@aldebaran.oac.uci.edu>
Tue, 28 Nov 1995 00:00:00 +0000
Re: Olympia Gripes
cedman@capitalist.princeton.edu (Carl Edman)
Wed, 29 Nov 1995 00:00:00 +0000
Re: Olympia Gripes
tandmb@sierra.net (Tony Baldacci)
Fri, 01 Dec 1995 00:00:00 +0000