The Midgard Digest V1 #6 From: kerry@io.com (Kerry Harrison) Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 00:00:00 +0000 The Midgard Digest Saturday, 10 February 1996 Volume 01 : Number 006 Welcome to the Midgard Digest, the place to discuss all the myriad aspects of life in the World of Midgard with its other denizens. In this issue: + Re: MID: The Fanglan question. + Re: MID: Imperial Decree + MID: Email and other Communications + Re: MID: Imperial Decree + MID: OFFICIAL COMMUNICATIONS + Re: MID: Imperial Decree + Re[2]: MID: Imperial Decree + Re: Re[2]: MID: Imperial Decree + MID: RE: TOO MUCH INFLUENCE + Re: MID: MV Treachery + MID: Greetings + Re: MID: Greetings + MID: Midgard History See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the midgard-list or midgard-digest mailing lists. For additional information on Midgard, check out the Official Midgard Home Page at http://www.comland.com/~pbm/midgard/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 08:57:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: MID: The Fanglan question. On Fri, 2 Feb 1996 jmorris@ccm.livestock.org.nz wrote: > Is the Imperial declaration of war over a few legates, just an > effort to justify a land grab from a weakened faction? Are they Of course it is. > looking for other factions to assist them in growing larger? Will > there be another Gift - Ring - Boda Harvest Uprising in the next fall, > when the Imperials have weakened themselves against the MerkVerk? Only time will tell. > Imperials expense? Do the Imperials worship their emperor as a god? > Would that make them a heretic religion to the three major religions? If we can provide documentation showing that the Imperials are heretics of the worst kind - worshiping a man as a god, would the Banner be willing to help us remove them from our land? James Augustus, Strategos 5th Class Boda Family ------------------------------ From: Mike_Williams@pc.radian.com Date: Thu, 08 Feb 96 09:51:13 CDT Subject: Re: MID: Imperial Decree Let it be known that the Barbarians will support any and all factions that rise up to war with the Imperials over this matter. This means no more raids, no more wanton destruction, no more war with those factions that take up arms against the Imperials in an effort to remove them from Midgard. The Imperials are out to slowly but surely continue what they started--the eventual complete domination and subjugation of ALL Midgardian natives. If you allow them to destroy the Merc Verk (which they WILL end up doing in the end--there is no way the Merc Verk will give their cities away, which WILL mean a full-scale Merc Verk/Imperial war...) then next will be the Blood and Fire, then the Society of Arms, then the Ring, then--your family's faction. I have chosen to take the first step in supporting the Merc Verk in this matter. I, who up until now have been a great enemy of the Merc Verk, have decided to put aside the past. If I can do this, so can you. Work now, while there is still time, to remove the Imperials from your homeland, and I VOW that after they are sent to Moorlock we can together take the war to THEIR home and let THEM live under OUR rule for a thousand years. Todeskampf Great Destroyer (of the Imperials...) _______________________ Reply Separator __________________________ Subject: MID: Imperial Decree Author: SCHRADER@vaxd.sxu.edu at INTERNET Date: 1/31/96 1:48 PM Hail and Well Met to all Midgardian Citizens! It pains me that my first official decree as Imperial Senior #1 on the Midgard Mailing List is a proclomation of war. In response to the Merc Verks wanton destruction of Fanglan and burning of an Imperial Legate which also resulted in the loss of Midgard citizens including city personnel who fought to put out the fires, the Imperials officially declare war on the Merc Verk. Neither the destruction of Legates nor heinous actions to the detriment of the common citizens shall be tolerated by this administration. It shall also be the policy of this administration to act in a straightforward manner with all factions. Therefore, we issue this decree BEFORE actually engaging the Merc Verk. Imperial Troops will be moving to siege various MV cities and arrest MV clans. Let it be known that Imperial Troops WILL attempt to take these cities with a MINIMUM of property damage and force. NO actions will be directed at civilians (unless they take up arms. NO fires will be started. Regimental commanders will be under orders for no looting, pillaging, raping, etc.). No Offices or Temples will be tampered with. In short, we will attempt to leave all property and populace in tact to the best of our abilities within a military framework. If the MV are truly operating in the best interests of Midgardian citizens then they will simply surrender 3 cities to the Imperials and construct 5 new Imperial Legates so no life is lost and no property damaged. Many will see these demands as extreme. These are the repurcussions for tampering with even a single Legate. And the MV were warned at Losteen. For further evidence of our "overkill" response tactics please refer to our factional goals text in the Appendix of your rulebook. The MV will also be expected to publicly apologize for their actions at Fanglan and pay war reparations to Serk refugees. The Imperials invite other factional seniors to show their support for offense at the tragedy at Fanglan by the MV by either signaling approval to the Imperial Decree or publicly expressing their own disapproval directly to the MV. On a somewhat more positive note, the Imperials are also moving to assist the Getham to relieve Lakehed (or whatever is left of it). The Buccaneer presence (if still there) will be removed. Lord Palan Tark Imperial Senior #1 Silver Dragons Clan #3016 Governor of Midgard aka Brian W. Schrader schrader@vaxd.sxu.edu ------------------------------ From: USAMIDGARD@aol.com Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 10:41:52 -0500 Subject: MID: Email and other Communications TO ALL MIDGARD PLAYERS!! This is a reminder, 1) All game interactions are supposed to be "wholesome" among players, without being derogatory, and 2) Role-playing is a major part of the game, please try to learn to separate the game character, from the player.. there sometimes is a major difference between the two. 3) Remember, whatever you send by Email can be printed out for later use. Similar to phone conversations which may be taped, not all communications remain private! I would like to add one final point.... This is a GAME!! Keep that perspective and ALL will have fun. Lose touch with that perspective and it becomes unbearable. Thanks for your attention to this important matter, Zan/Alan - MIDGARD GMs ------------------------------ From: DShir13@aol.com Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 11:34:51 -0500 Subject: Re: MID: Imperial Decree Friends and Foes alike, I must respond to the Barbarians bold statement. First of all, if we were looking for a fight with the Merk Verk we would of attacked them they closed down the Legate in Losteen! we did respond with a warning to the Merk Verk, and the fire that the commander started at Losteen did destroy a Legate. What good would are word be if we did not respond to this distruction of Imperial Property. Of course we are still working with the Merk Verk on a Peaceful settlement. Second, The Imperials have added many benifits to MIdgard, this ploy by the Barbarians is to divide the Factions of Midgard against one another thus weakening us for a Barbarian invaision. I also ask you this, are the Barbarians going to leave thier Longboats and attack our INLAND cities. I think not. And who stops the Barbarians, in the unlikely event that the united forces defeat the Imperials, all factions will be weakened greatly! It would be a mistake to take on the Imperilas an even greater one to ally with the Barbarians. Daimon Yar. ------------------------------ From: USAMIDGARD@aol.com Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 11:34:54 -0500 Subject: MID: OFFICIAL COMMUNICATIONS In an effort to clarrify a somewhat important matter, The only OFFICIAL platforms for communications, within the game are... 1) Your turn results, both player and senior, 2) The Midgard Report ( and some of this can be rumor and inuendo). 3) The Midgard Rules Official communications must be in writing and sent to/thru the GMs. All other foms of communications are, unofficial player banter. Communications to any of the "Zero" positions will be handled as follows: 1) Same cycle if you are a Senior within the faction of the Zero in question. 2) Next cycle if you are a Senior outside of the faction of the Zero in question.. assuming that it will dain to talk with you at all. Barbarian Seniors (for example) should not expect a response from Praetor Immanus of the Imperials. 3) Next cycle if you are less than a Senior of the faction of the Zero in question... assuming that it will dain to talk with one of such a rank. Each Faction has its own attitude on this matter. Hopefully this will help clear the waters on communications in general. Remember that the "real" world today has vastly superior capabilities to that of the Ancient to Midevil time frame, that which this game is set in. A happy balance MUST be struck and we are trying to do that. Zan/Alan - MIDGARD GMs ------------------------------ From: DShir13@aol.com Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 11:45:15 -0500 Subject: Re: MID: Imperial Decree There is a typo in my reply I the second city mentioned should be Fanglan, please note Daimon Yar. ------------------------------ From: Mike_Williams@pc.radian.com Date: Thu, 08 Feb 96 17:21:22 CDT Subject: Re[2]: MID: Imperial Decree Todeskampf Responds: > Friends and Foes alike, > I must respond to the Barbarians bold statement. First of all, if we were > looking for a fight with the Merk Verk we would of attacked them they > closed down the Legate in Losteen! we did respond with a warning to the > Merk Verk, and the fire that the commander started at Losteen did destroy > a Legate. No one is arguing with you over this. The above are known facts. > What good would are word be if we did not respond to this distruction of > Imperial Property. Of course we are still working with the Merk Verk on a > Peaceful settlement. Once again, no one is denying this. Taking three cities from a faction, however, for the actions of one (or even several) guilty clan(s) is considered by most (even we barbarians) to be, shall we say, somewhat extreme. Still, if you have the power to do this, it is within your rights to do so. > Second, The Imperials have added many benifits to > MIdgard, .. Such as? > ...this ploy by the Barbarians is to divide the Factions of Midgard > against one another thus weakening us for a Barbarian invaision. Every leader of every faction (except yours, I see) surely realizes that the barbarians do not seek to "invade" Midgard. Over 99.99% of our population are still living peaceful (for a barbarian, anyway) lives in our homeland. We are here simply to raid, have fun, and generally let everyone know that no matter how prosperous they are today, disaster and death COULD be just a day's sail away... > I also > ask you this, are the Barbarians going to leave thier Longboats and attack > our INLAND cities. I think not. Oh really? Do you think we are incapable of fighting land battles? Tell me, young one, what _other_ fairy tales do you believe in? > And who stops the Barbarians, in the > unlikely event that the united forces defeat the Imperials, all factions > will be weakened greatly! It would be a mistake to take on the Imperilas > an even greater one to ally with the Barbarians. You _are_ worried, aren't you? If the great houses of Midgard once again unite and overthrow their Imperial masters, it is a certainty that they would have no trouble dealing with what remains of barbarian "invaders." Now that I've seen your true character, I think what will happen is you will retract your "Decree" and _you_ will apologize for insulting the mercenaries. You are frightened of what might happen should the families unite against you. You know full well that you are not capable of defending _all_ your stolen properties. And you know that you can not hope to match the command skills of some of the most battle-hardened religious and secular family leaders the world has ever seen. You should return to your home now, where you still may have some say in matters. Todeskampf Great Destroyer ------------------------------ From: DShir13@aol.com Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 18:56:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Re[2]: MID: Imperial Decree Yea right! And pigs fly. ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 20:06:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: MID: RE: TOO MUCH INFLUENCE The following message got lost in the bit bucket earlier... USAMIDGARD@aol.com sent this on Thu, 8 Feb 1996 14:00:58 -0500: To One And All: As to the possibility the the Dallas Group of Players has more sway with the GMs and the way the game is run, no ONE person or GROUP of people, that communicate with us, has any more influence than anyother. On the otherhand, IF you DO NOT talk to us, we do not know your views and feelings. We will listen to everyone and consider what is said, then do what WE feel is the correct thing to do or not to do. This brings up a matter that has been expressed in the recent past by several current players concerning "OLD" players returning to the game with all their real world and game experience. There is really nothing that can be done and that may be perceived as a problem with any PBM game, or any other game for that matter; an EXPERIENCED player has an advantage over one that is not. With any game, PBM or otherwise, yur experiences or lack of them can be a help or hindrance. Please, remember that we are trying to create a specific time period. Things known in our "real" world, may or may not be allowed in the game since they would unbalance play in that time frame. Some things may be denied today, but accepted later as the existing system is expanded to allow for the new item that is desired. The time frame we are trying to recreate is the Ancient/Midieval period with all the benefits and limitations of that time frame. Let's summarize the above, a player with the following will have an advantage.... 1) Common Sense!!! 2) If you have ever played table-top-miniatures (Ancients/Midieval/Renaissance etc) since this is a predominately land based combat period. 3) If you have played any other PBM game. 4) If you ask questions and DO NOT ASSUME anything MUST work in a specific way. The GMs and many players (Most of The Seniors) are more than happy to answer any questions that you might have. 5) Remember, especially in combat, "KEEP IT SIMPLE", allow your troops to use their factional advantages and do not overly restrict them in their use of them. 6) Also, remember that your opponent may be doing special actions also, and these special actions may counter your special actions. 7) Finally, remember that a battle plan lasts only until first contact, then your opponent has a major say in what happens from then on... DO NOT fall into the trap of establishing your plan and expecting 100% success. This will only result in extreme disappointment and WILL make you vulnerable to the more flexible battle plan. As the old saying goes, "A word to the wise!!" Zan/Alan MIDGARD GMs ------------------------------ From: Mike_Williams@pc.radian.com Date: Fri, 09 Feb 96 11:59:57 CDT Subject: Re: MID: MV Treachery > It would appear that as we dig a little deeper even our prior dealing > with the MV before Fanglan is a facade. As part of the city trade, the MV > sent us North Twain, which we know come to learn has a city treasury of > -720,000 IC. Most factional commanders would have thought to request (nay, demand!) a complete financial/military statement (ooc: city turn printout) for a city they were thinking of purchasing BEFORE actually signing a bill of sale. I guess Imperial commanders do things a bit differently in their homeland than do the peoples of Midgard. At any rate, it is clear who is at fault here--lazy Imperial bookkeepers. > Is this standard MV policy as well? Loot the city before a > trade? Leave city personnel unpaid? How do the soldiers feed their wives > and children? Perhaps the MV find it amusing to trade cities with giant > debts, we shall see how they laugh in the future. You may claim that you do > not violate the letter of the law, but the spirit of the law has been > descrated. You need to send your Imperial accountants and/or lawyers back to the university; everyone in Midgard knows that only the "letter" of the law is enforceable. The "spirit" of the law can not stand--this because every faction (every _person_, for that matter...) has its/his own definition of the "spirit of the law." The "letter of the law," however, can not be questioned or debated. > The Imperials will be immediately dispatching aid to the city (which > includes MV civilians, if they're willing to admit it) but demand > 1,000,000 IC from the MV immediately or the MV's grievances will be > compounded. Hello! You have already practically declared war on the Merc Verk. Do you honestly believe that the enemy that you have created will pay you even one gold crown until you wake up from whatever black lotus-induced dream you are now living in? > It has also come to my attention that the MV may be guilty of more > crimes against civilians at Poins. You can bet there will be a full > investigation there as well. Has the MV faction completely > deteriorated to the point of Banditry and Barbarism? Are there no noble men > left to ex- p[unge the Seniors who sully their name with these vile action? > Lord Palan Tark Hello again! The Merc Verk are MERCENARIES. They are out to make MONEY for SERVICES. Honor and nobility, which may be important to most Merc Verk officers and rank soldiers, is won or lost on the battlefield--not in the counting houses. Your bankers and lawyers are solely to blame. Send them to your homeland for re-schooling--obviously they are too remedial to be accepted in any Midgardian university. Sheesh! I never thought I'd see the day when me, a simple barbarian (by the way--we call YOU barbarians in MY homeland...) would be coming to the defense of the Merc Verk by giving an Imperial lackey a lesson in Midgardian finance and salesmanship. Todeskampf Great Destroyer ------------------------------ From: Shiva Wilde <103302.3555@compuserve.com> Date: 09 Feb 96 23:37:57 EST Subject: MID: Greetings Greetings Lords, It is pleasure to speak with you all. As some of you mighty Lords know the city of Finmart has fallen to the Blood and Fire. Clan Dragons Tooth was the clan who took this city after giving me his word that he would not. I should have expected this from his type, but alas I placed too much trust in his words. Please remember this so that you do not have the same fate. I would like to ask the "Governor" of Midgard to respond to this request. AFTER the attack on Finmart AND AFTER ALL Ring forces had SURRENDERED, the forces that took this city MURDERED EVERY LIVING DEFENDER who had given up thier weapons. Lord Governor, you have been so quick to condemn other faction who kill defenceless people, will you do so here? Please remember while making your decision that these froces were gathered at sword point stripped of weapons and armor and then murdered one at a time. The screams from these brave men was heard by every citizen in the city. Please remember that these men had surrendered to these forces and expected to be treated fairly as one should. WILL YOU ALLOW THESE ACTS TO GO ON WHILE CODEMNING OTHERS WHO DO THE SAME? PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS QUICKLY SO THAT ALL WILL KNOW WHERE YOU STAND!! Thank you Lords for your time, PATRIARCH RING RELIGION SHIVA WILDE of clan ORDER OF THE HAND (Zan, Alan: If you could please print this in the Midgard report for the next cycle. Thank you) ------------------------------ From: Hideyori@aol.com Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 09:13:08 -0500 Subject: Re: MID: Greetings Greetings Lords, It is pleasure to speak with you all. As some of you mighty Lords know the city of Finmart has fallen to the Blood and Fire. Clan Dragons Tooth was the clan who took this city after giving me his word that he would not. I should have expected this from his type, but alas I placed too much trust in his words. Please remember this so that you do not have the same fate. - -I said IF the Ring wanted peace we could work it out and I -would not attack Finmart. Your response was "we can have -peace but I must try and take back the cities you have taken -first". I would like to ask the "Governor" of Midgard to respond to this request. AFTER the attack on Finmart AND AFTER ALL Ring forces had SURRENDERED, the forces that took this city MURDERED EVERY LIVING DEFENDER who had given up thier weapons. Lord Governor, you have been so quick to condemn other faction who kill defenceless people, will you do so here? Please remember while making your decision that these froces were gathered at sword point stripped of weapons and armor and then murdered one at a time. The screams from these brave men was heard by every citizen in the city. Please remember that these men had surrendered to these forces and expected to be treated fairly as one should. WILL YOU ALLOW THESE ACTS TO GO ON WHILE CODEMNING OTHERS WHO DO THE SAME? PLEASE RESPOND TO THIS QUICKLY SO THAT ALL WILL KNOW WHERE YOU STAND!! Thank you Lords for your time, PATRIARCH RING RELIGION SHIVA WILDE of clan ORDER OF THE HAND - - The problem is, you refuse to take responsibility for your starting of the war. Hiring the MV to take our cities is not what we call reasonable. Placing a bounty on my head is not a way to talk peace. The war is over the minute you want it to be over. If you want peace then say so. No more whining about this or that. No more calling in the Boda to bail you out of a war you started. No more getting the Banner or the MV to fight for you. Just say so and the war is over. No "but I have to take the cities back". I figure we have made it about even. What say you? Peace or more death? Eldarion Blood & Fire #1 ------------------------------ From: SCHRADER@vaxd.sxu.edu Date: Sat, 10 Feb 1996 16:51:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: MID: Midgard History Greetings to all! Much has been said about the Imperials and their policies as of late. I have factional emissaries and messengers arriving at unprecedented rates while I travel in the field. Recently, I have been told that even the Barbarians are sending messengers, no doubt full of mindless prattle and besmerching the Imperials good name. Rumors are even filtering in that the Barbarians trying to pass their diplomats off as MV emissaries. Imagine a Barbarian speaking on behalf of the MV?! I have no doubt that these rumors are just that; then again, the MV's actions at Fanglan would suggest.... no, I won't even consider the possibility. At any rate, I have continually dispatched responses indicating that the Imperials actions are in response to the Legate destruction and MV crimes at Fanglan. We have no need to take cities by force without undue cause and are working on a solution which would allow the MV to keep their cities; not the work of a someone trying to take over the world?! I have also noticed in an increase in messengers popping up with stories of atrocious acts committed against common folk from many factions. It seems there are many factions committed to preserving the law and seeing that justice is done. Any several of these factions have publicly or privately ASKED for Imperial intervention! Now you know that the Imperials are sworn to stay out of political matters that involve problems between the families and relgions. But when these problems spill into crimes against civilians that threaten the common good of ALL factions, the Imperials will take it upon themselves to provide law and order when no one else will. The Imperials care for Midgardian civilians as much as any faction (perhaps a little more than some factions have shown). However, under no circumstances will the Imperials become involved without written documented proof of the injustices (e.g., CVR's, city reports, battle reports, Senior interaction letters with model, etc.). Simply screaming "CRIME" and telling your side of the story will not suffice. Some factions have been known to "embellish" their stories and as such we must rely on reports from local Imperial Magistrates and Imperial citizens of high stature. So for all who send communiques either defending their side of the story or telling stories of new atrocities, you must provide proof or the Imperials WILL NOT intervene. Written documented proof had been provided for the incidents at Fanglan and at Lakehed. Others claims are being investigated but some may require written proof beyond Imperial informants to verify. The Imperials are dedicated to maintaining law and order and will attempt to check all claims in a timely and fair manner. Again, so as to show that we are not above the law, this also includes supposed crimes committed by Imperial troops and clans. These will be just as ferociously and fairly pursued as other claims. This administration is sworn to fairplay in all matters. Lastly, on to a matter of interest that I feel needs to be addressed in regard to Midgardian History. The scribes of Midgard have carefully and diligently recorded the history of Midgard in their precious tomes (see also the Midgard Rulebook). But they are inadequate. The Empire has existed for thousands of years long before recorded Midgardian history. The Empire has a presence all over the world with Midgard representing a small piece. As such, our scholars have maintained written history long before Midgard became inhabited. Midgardian culture is in but its infancy while the Empire is old but still in its prime. You should know then that the Empire laid claim and colonized Midgard thousands of years before your "Barbarians" marked the beginning of Midgard culture. The Barbarians drove out the Imperial colonies, slaughtering tens of thousands civilians (we had precious little military forces back then) and took the continent for themselves. Hundreds of years later your culture had evolved with the Barbarians relegated to their homeland and many new families and religions quarreling over the who had the right to lead. It was at this time that the Imperials returned to RECLAIM their rightful lands and avenge the deaths from many generations past. This is where most of recent Midgardian history begins. As you can see, Midgardian scribes were unaware of what occurred hundreds of years earlier and thus cannot be faulted for lack of knowledge. However, all of this history is well-scribed in Imperial Libraries back in the Homeland. Perhaps, some factions would like to arrange to send some envoys to confirm this. I will also try to arrange an exhibit from the Homeland in our new museum at Lemlot that further displays these ancient writings for all to see. So you can see that the Imperials are NOT truly invaders. We came to re-establish our rightful presence. We now share this land with all Midgardian factions but will act as Law when any threaten its well-being. As a point of interest we do not lay claim to the Barbarian's homeland so they are welcome to say but if they land on the coasts of the Midgard continent they will be met with extreme prejudice as ancient hatreds are renewed. We also do not lay claim to the Southern Continent. So again I say, if we are so expansionistic why do we not seek to covet the numerous southern continent cities with virtually no defenses?! And as one last point of contention since I'm sure it will come up. Just because we don't lay claim to the Barbarian's homeland doesn't mean we might not show up unexpectedly and pay our respects. To a more enlightened Midgard and in humble service to the Empire Lord Palan Tark (((((( To be printed in the Midgard Report )))))))) aka Brian Schrader schrader@vaxd.sxu.edu ------------------------------ End of The Midgard Digest V1 #6 ******************************* To subscribe to The Midgard Digest, send the command: subscribe midgard-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@io.com" To unsubscribe from The Midgard Digest send the command: unsubscribe midgard-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@io.com" If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-midgard-list": subscribe midgard-digest local-mid-list@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "midgard-digest" in the commands above with "midgard-list". Up