The Midgard Digest V1 #8 From: kerry@io.com (Kerry Harrison) Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1996 00:00:00 +0000 The Midgard Digest Saturday, 24 February 1996 Volume 01 : Number 008 Welcome to the Midgard Digest, the place to discuss all the myriad aspects of life in the World of Midgard with its other denizens. In this issue: + MID: Ring standings + MID: A few questions for the next Midgard Report + Re: MID: Ring standings + Re: MID: A few questions for the next Midgard Report + MID: Reponse to Ring + Re: MID: Ring standings + Re: MID: Ring standings See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the midgard-list or midgard-digest mailing lists. For additional information on Midgard, check out the Official Midgard Home Page at http://www.comland.com/~pbm/midgard/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Shiva Wilde <103302.3555@compuserve.com> Date: 23 Feb 96 16:39:40 EST Subject: MID: Ring standings Greetings Lords, I shall now tell all where the Ring stand reguarding the recent events at Fangland and their aftermath. The Ring shall support the Boda Family 100% with any aid requested by them. The Boda are very close and longtime allies of the Ring. Should the Boda declair war against any other faction the Ring will support them in this action as best we can. Should ANY faction attack any city, the defender must request aid from the Ring if it is desired. What we will need is proof that the CITIZENS of the city are being harmed or killed by the other faction. The Ring will then concider the request and provide aid that we feel that we can at the time. We are out to protect the citizens of Midgard because most other factions do not watch out for the citizens untill they are killed. Then they try to tell us how much they cared for them. TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE FOR THE DEAD!!! I still have not received a reply as to the status of the B&F to the Imperials. I take this, along with the rumors that the Imperials are currently working with the B&F, as to mean that the Imperials and B&F are working together. That is an interesting alliance, The B&F, the Imperials, and the Barbarians. Who would have thought that it would have happend. I hope that the Imperials take the smae action against the B&F as they did against the Buccaneers, and the MV. I will add part of the battle report to this letter so that ALL may see how the B&F murdered every defender who had surrendered. The Imperials said that they need proof. HERE it is. "With the battle over, The B&F regulars methodically round up all the city soliders and Ring regulars and separate them from the rest of the population. the regulars quickly sieze the one heretic temple in Finmart and begin the modifications necessary to convert the building into a B&F temple. After the conversion, the city soliders and Ring regulars are rounded up and herded into the building. The B&F HI enter the building and shortly thereafter, screams are heard. an hour laterthe B&F regulars leave the temple and allow their priests inside . The rites of SACRIFICE BEGIN." ANY can check to see if what I have posted is true. I assure you that it is. Will the IMPERIALS, who clam to be the defenders of Midgard, react to these murders. Or do they support the killing of surrendered forces. Should we all be wary of surrendering to the Imperials because of this? Also the Imperial Gov. recently asked me to pay for the life of one of my clans. He first asked me to beat the offer he had from the B&F. but when Ipointed out what he was doing, he backtracked and told me that he just wanted to be paid for his time in setting free a clan that was set free by the Imperial magistright(sp sorry) in the city of dubar. It seems that the SEk. forgot to take their prisoner with them when they left to attack Finmart. They then whent back to the city of Dubar as B&F and asked the Imperials, (who owned the city then) for the clans return. The Imperial magistright refused, and in fact told the B&F that the clan commeted no crime and released her. The magistright also told the B&F that if they wanted this clan they would have to retake the city, and that would mean a war with the Imperials. Of course, since the B&F and Imperials MIGHT be working together (or al the least helping each other) they did not want to do that. EVEN with an ARMY of OVER 14,000 the B&F were scared into not doing something by another faction, or was it just respect for an ally? I understand that this letter will cause many hard feeling between the Ring and Imperials, but all that needs to be done is for the Imperials to prove they are not working with OR for the B&F. I also understand that the Imperials are reddy to attack 3 MV cities, that would also be a blow to Ring Imperial relations. It looks like the Imperials want to rule Midgard. And The Ring Will not allow that to happen. I must also make a public apology to the MV. It seems that I have been a littel too harsh on their faction for the actions of a few clans. Thank you for your time, >From the quill of Shiva Wilde Patriarch Ring Religion of clan Order of the Hand ------------------------------ From: jmorris@ccm.livestock.org.nz Date: Sat, 24 Feb 96 11:41:04 nz Subject: MID: A few questions for the next Midgard Report Are the Imperials trying to force their revisionist history on the people of Midgard to justify their attempt to dominate our continent? Is the city of Lemlot anything more than a centre for Imperial propaganda? Do the Imperials worship their emperor as a god? Will any religious factions troops ever surrender to the Blood & Fire again, with the recent report of the treatment of Ring prisoners at Finmart? As we approach spring, are plans being made for the third harvest uprising by the Gift-Ring-Boda? Will it soon be against Imperial law to ask questions? Davod Skolem Exarch of Charity Banner Religion ------------------------------ From: Mike_Williams@pc.radian.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 17:57:03 CDT Subject: Re: MID: Ring standings I care not for punishing the sons of Moorlock for worshipping their master, but I tell you this--any faction that takes a stand against the Imperials (which, by the way, you seem to be doing now) will not be harmed by me or my followers. You must tell me--are you for the Imperials, or against them? Speak carefully, for what you say openly now will either save your cities or damn them. And I tell you this--while I and my cousins respect and admire the Blood and Fire for being brave enough to worship their god as he _should_ be worshipped, we in no way support (or, Moorlock forbid, are allied to) the Imperials! You insult me with this claim. Todeskampf Great Destroyer Barbarian Lord ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: MID: Ring standings Author: Shiva Wilde <103302.3555@compuserve.com> at INTERNET Date: 2/23/96 4:39 PM Greetings Lords, I shall now tell all where the Ring stand reguarding the recent events at Fangland and their aftermath. The Ring shall support the Boda Family 100% with any aid requested by them. The Boda are very close and longtime allies of the Ring. Should the Boda declair war against any other faction the Ring will support them in this action as best we can. Should ANY faction attack any city, the defender must request aid from the Ring if it is desired. What we will need is proof that the CITIZENS of the city are being harmed or killed by the other faction. The Ring will then concider the request and provide aid that we feel that we can at the time. We are out to protect the citizens of Midgard because most other factions do not watch out for the citizens untill they are killed. Then they try to tell us how much they cared for them. TOO LITTLE, TOO LATE FOR THE DEAD!!! I still have not received a reply as to the status of the B&F to the Imperials. I take this, along with the rumors that the Imperials are currently working with the B&F, as to mean that the Imperials and B&F are working together. That is an interesting alliance, The B&F, the Imperials, and the Barbarians. Who would have thought that it would have happend. I hope that the Imperials take the smae action against the B&F as they did against the Buccaneers, and the MV. I will add part of the battle report to this letter so that ALL may see how the B&F murdered every defender who had surrendered. The Imperials said that they need proof. HERE it is. "With the battle over, The B&F regulars methodically round up all the city soliders and Ring regulars and separate them from the rest of the population. the regulars quickly sieze the one heretic temple in Finmart and begin the modifications necessary to convert the building into a B&F temple. After the conversion, the city soliders and Ring regulars are rounded up and herded into the building. The B&F HI enter the building and shortly thereafter, screams are heard. an hour laterthe B&F regulars leave the temple and allow their priests inside . The rites of SACRIFICE BEGIN." ANY can check to see if what I have posted is true. I assure you that it is. Will the IMPERIALS, who clam to be the defenders of Midgard, react to these murders. Or do they support the killing of surrendered forces. Should we all be wary of surrendering to the Imperials because of this? Also the Imperial Gov. recently asked me to pay for the life of one of my clans. He first asked me to beat the offer he had from the B&F. but when Ipointed out what he was doing, he backtracked and told me that he just wanted to be paid for his time in setting free a clan that was set free by the Imperial magistright(sp sorry) in the city of dubar. It seems that the SEk. forgot to take their prisoner with them when they left to attack Finmart. They then whent back to the city of Dubar as B&F and asked the Imperials, (who owned the city then) for the clans return. The Imperial magistright refused, and in fact told the B&F that the clan commeted no crime and released her. The magistright also told the B&F that if they wanted this clan they would have to retake the city, and that would mean a war with the Imperials. Of course, since the B&F and Imperials MIGHT be working together (or al the least helping each other) they did not want to do that. EVEN with an ARMY of OVER 14,000 the B&F were scared into not doing something by another faction, or was it just respect for an ally? I understand that this letter will cause many hard feeling between the Ring and Imperials, but all that needs to be done is for the Imperials to prove they are not working with OR for the B&F. I also understand that the Imperials are reddy to attack 3 MV cities, that would also be a blow to Ring Imperial relations. It looks like the Imperials want to rule Midgard. And The Ring Will not allow that to happen. I must also make a public apology to the MV. It seems that I have been a littel too harsh on their faction for the actions of a few clans. Thank you for your time, >From the quill of Shiva Wilde Patriarch Ring Religion of clan Order of the Hand ------------------------------ From: Mike_Williams@pc.radian.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 96 18:03:05 CDT Subject: Re: MID: A few questions for the next Midgard Report The answers are, in order: yes, no, yes (perhaps _now_ you Banner folk will declare Holy War against the man-worshipping Imperials?), no (not unless they're stupid, or seek to be sacrificed to Moorlock...), yes (but it will be the Boda/Ring/Merc Verk this time--the Gift do not have the will for war anymore...), and finally, yes. If you have further questions, I will answer. Todeskampf Great Destroyer Barbarian Lord ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: MID: A few questions for the next Midgard Report Author: jmorris@ccm.livestock.org.nz at INTERNET Date: 2/24/96 11:41 AM Are the Imperials trying to force their revisionist history on the people of Midgard to justify their attempt to dominate our continent? Is the city of Lemlot anything more than a centre for Imperial propaganda? Do the Imperials worship their emperor as a god? Will any religious factions troops ever surrender to the Blood & Fire again, with the recent report of the treatment of Ring prisoners at Finmart? As we approach spring, are plans being made for the third harvest uprising by the Gift-Ring-Boda? Will it soon be against Imperial law to ask questions? Davod Skolem Exarch of Charity Banner Religion ------------------------------ From: SCHRADER@vaxd.sxu.edu Date: Fri, 23 Feb 1996 18:14:48 -0600 (CST) Subject: MID: Reponse to Ring Hail and Well Met! My, my, my, so much hate and hostility directed against the Imperials and all for attempting to merely preserve law and order and protect the common good. And now the slander and proganda flow. At least the Barbarians are consistent in their responses unlike the Ring who now show just how backstabbing and "waffle" oriented they can be. The Ring come to us in the guise of improving relations between our factions, they decry the MV fiasco at Fanglan, and ask for our assistance in retrieveing no less than 3 cities which they lost to the Serks/B&F, an almost non-existent faction. Then turn around with these statements. I will attempt to address some of these lies to set the record straight. 1) Apparently the Ring are openly abandoning their past times to the Imperials via the Order of the Hand and supporting the warriors of Midgard. This makes a lot of sense. Ally with the warriors who will be attacking and then make a decree that you'll come to the aid of those who need defense. So will you fight the Boda then when they attack a Getham city? 2) The Imperials are not concerned with stopping all city conquests and battles, merely those which are extreme enough that they "unnecessarily endanger" the common populace. So we aren't going to get involved until civilians are being systematically killed on a large scale such as the burning of Fanglan. If we defeneded every city that simply gets attacked we would be fighting everybody. Apparently this is what the Ring plan to do. 3) Late justice is better than no justice. Plus, we must wait until the facts are in before jumping into a fray. This is why we ask for written proof. You state accusations at Finmart, but no papers have crossed my desk showing proof. I will not engage the B&F for any injustices until you send me a CVR, City Report, etc. verifying your story. We did not declare war on the MV or Buccs till we had written verification from multiple sources. You yourself said you would consider requests before sending aid. Exactly how does this differ from what the Imperials are doing??????? 4) The Imperials are free to work with all factions as they see fit on a short term basis. We do not engage in long term relations since it would violate our factional goals. Thus, we can associate with any faction, any time as we choose. And yes the Imperials and B&F have done some work together but the vast bulk of that was recovering YOUR ex-Ring cities at your request. You ask to work with the B&F to get your cities back and then condemn us for it. Well you can be sure that the Imperials are done assisting you in that regard. Its interesting that you waited until the cities were returned. My how brave you are to speak out now. And for whatever injustices the B&F may have or will do, at least they aren't waffling on their agreements with us; unlike the Ring. I pity the Boda with you as allies; how long till you ditch them and decry their wrongs? 5) What happened at Finmart apparently (from what I know so far) only involved soldiers. Soldiers die in battle. I do not approve of the B&F's methods especially when the troops surrendered. But again, as I have stated many times before, if it doesn't involve loss to Imperial property or massive civilian destruction then we aren't doing to get involved in non-Imperial matters in terms of combat. All the rest of the factions are free to beat each others brains out as long as they don't harm Imperial holdings or endanger the civilians unduly. IF THE MV HAD NOT BURNED DOWN THE LEGATE IN FANGLAN AND KILLED SO MANY CIVILIANS UNNECESSARILY IN THE FIRE, the Imperials would not havegotten involved at ALL!!! 6) The whole deal involving the release of the Ring clan at Dubar was complicated by 4 different versions of what was going on (the Ring version, the B&F version, the Magistrate's version, and the GM's version). In the end, you got your clan back free and clear with no harm done so deal with it! 7) You seem more concerned about MV cities then the 3 you lost to the Serks. You apologize to a faction that burned a whole city to the ground killing thousands of civilians?! If you go back to your early statements in your decree you say that you will come to the aid of those seek it. What will you do when the B&F seek aid for the atrocities at Fanglan? It seems that the Ring should be called the Inconsistent Ring (which has a nice Ring to it don't you think; no pun intended). What will you do when the Boda attack the Imperials and we ask for aid (har-har)? You will have to break one of your promises. Apparently, the Ring are expert politicians. And by the way, there were about 10 MV forces at Fanglan, no small chunk of the faction; not 1 clan acting impulsively. 8) Us attacking the MV would now be a "blow" to Imperial-Ring relations.Surely, you jest or are intoxicated. You, Shiva, has single-handedly sunk the entire ship let alone a blow to our factional statuses. 1 cycle ago you were all for Imperial action against the MV. Does your mouth spew in whatever direction the wind is blowing at the time? 9) The Imperials want to rule Midgard? My I didn't realize that taking 3 puny MV cities is all that was needed to rule the continent. As I have said before (this gets tiring the 28th time), we are simply responding to what the MV and Buccs have done at Fanglan and Lakehed respectively. You're getting all bunched up for nothing. Now if we take more than 3 cities then you can yell and scream and divine the end of the world. Until then why don't you wait to see if we honor our decrees (perhaps the Ring would learn how to go about honoring agreements). 10) The Imperials have always stood alone to vigilantly guard the law and order and common good on Midgard. We do not blow and sway in the wind like so many other factions, changing our goals every 3 cycles or whenever the mood suits us. Regardless of who stands with us or against us, the Imperials will behere safeguarding the continent for all to live peacefully. Those who try to break the rights of the common good shall be dealt with in the harshest of manners. If only there were more Paladins and fewer destroyers..... Sincerely, Scribe Octavius Goran (speaking on behalf of Lord Palan Tark, currently preoccupied with smashing another blow for good and the common man) ------------------------------ From: DShir13@aol.com Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 02:01:18 -0500 Subject: Re: MID: Ring standings Shiva Wilde, You are a Fool, Frist of all for the record I worship no God nor any Person I only rely on the power of my sword and when that fails me I die!!! Any warrior which surrenders deserves death. Thus yor surrendering forces got what thet deserved! When you take an army on the Field of Battle you expect casuties as I and my cousins expect to take some losses as we take the field against the Merk Verk. Of course, I do not agree with the B+F methods. I respect my foes much more than that. I and all under my command fight with Honor, Win or lose. We will not kill people nor destroy propertiey uneccissarily. Furthermore, all religons are a waste of time, this includes the B+F. If we wanted to rule MIdgard we would simply take it, Understand! We have agreed to cooperate with the Factions of MIdgard in the Treaty of Frostmarch. And when this action against the Merk Verk is over, we shall continue to build roads and Improve cities to benefit the citizens of Midgard. If anyone disaproves of our Methods feel free to place a complaint at the Gates of the Western Preserve and I will get back to you on this, Promise! As for the Rumors of a next Harvest uprising, remember the last one only succeeded becuse of the element of surprise. Something you will not have this time. Now it's time to put up or shut up. Over the next few cycles we will be putting several MV cities under siege and do what we said we will. If anyone tries to prevent us form doing this we will take care of them in KIND! For those factions who are intelligent engough to stay out of it you shall be rewareded with peace, something you will not have if you allow yourself to follow the lies of That Barbarian I will quote from his message in the Midgard Report "The once and future rulers of Midgard have returned to thier homeland" now would you follow one who admitedly covets your homes or one who will protect them! And Barbarian you accuse me of being a liar and bring of a couple of skirmishes that you claim we're great victories. I did not leave these out by mistake I just considered them to be petty. No more challenging that brushing ones teeth in the Morning. If the Barbarians consider these to be great victories then I have overestimated them. First of all, they achieved no objective nor had any purpose. What advantage did this give the Barbarians, besides some trinkets to take home and providing some fish food to the local sharks. The Imperial commander you faced was inept as was the Governor of Midgard at the time. HIs battle fleet was inadaquite to take on such a foe and he should of never ingaged the Barbarians, expecially with some much HI at sea. This was no great victory! My grandmother could of pulled it off.. And for your Victory over the Serks who, eventhough they had a couple of victories over the Merk Verk, are not warriors. And I would figure such as you would not consider this as anything more than a slaughter which should of happened. I tell you this Barbarians the Empire sleeps no more! and I can see that worries you. You have said not to count Victories over a weakened Merk Verk, don't worry I won't. I'd much prefer Victories over the Barbarians on my resume. I have recieved reports from my Commander at the Skorx Preserve of a great stinch comming from the sea, he surmised it to be barbarians comming. If this is true and the Barbarians are comming, what woulds be a better prize of conquest than The Skorx preseve, unless you are too much of a Coward! I would prefer you to attempt my base of Command the Western preserve or if a preseve is too much for you how about the Governors Palace in Lemlot. But I doubt the barbarians have engough guts to come that far inland. So I shall repeat my self, PUT UP OR SHUT UP. Of course there are many Imperial Holdings along the coastline if you preferr to attack something a little weaker, which seems to be the case more often than not with the Barbarians. And this will give you a better avenue of retreat when you are overcome by the Imperial MIght. For yea factions of Midgard. The time for Diplamats is nearly over. After this we will see if your threats are real. I do grant this if war does errupt it will be very bloody. Think of this how many Merk Verk lost there lifes trying to take Fanglan? What were it's Walls. Now take a look at an average Imperial Holding, and now a Preserve with walls of 25! Think about these things Diplomats of MIdgard before condeming your people to death. If the Imperials are infact defeated would there be much left for the Barbarians to conquer? One last note, Riders of Dale you have been very quite on this matter and I respect you for this fact. I have heard the rumor over and over again that you have struck a deal with the Merk Verk and now with the Rings turn around on this matter I believe it to be true. Surely with our past I would not blame you at all for taking this opertunity, I would just remember that you will give up any chance of peace if this is the case. Nothing the Governor can do will stop my pursiut of your head this time, just something to think about. Daimon Yar ------------------------------ From: Hideyori@aol.com Date: Sat, 24 Feb 1996 09:05:24 -0500 Subject: Re: MID: Ring standings Where to begin? I imagine the Ring speaker to be frothing at the mouth when he spewed this but I will reply anyway. >I still have not received a reply as to the status of the B&F to >the Imperials. I take this, along with the rumors that the >Imperials are currently working with the B&F, as to mean >that the Imperials and B&F are working together. That is an >interesting alliance, We, that is I, sold them two of the three cities that I conquered from the Ring. An alliance? Hardly. >B&F temple. After the conversion, the city soliders and Ring >regulars are rounded up and herded into the building. The B&F >HI enter the building and shortly thereafter, screams are >heard. an hour laterthe B&F regulars leave the temple and >allow their priests inside >. The rites of SACRIFICE BEGIN." True. We are the Blood and Fire. But only the defenders were sent to Moorlock. Such is the fate of those who stand against us. >EVEN with an ARMY of OVER 14,000 the B&F were scared into >not doing something by another faction, or was it just respect >for an ally? Yes, we forgot to take the prisonors with us. Ooops! We went back into the city and kindly asked for them when we were givien the response by the magistrate. I did not know that the Imperials were negotiating their release with the Ring. I also didn't know that they were freed. A hunting we will go, a hunting we will go...hi ho a-merry o', a hunting we will go!! Thanks for the info mister Ring!! >I must also make a public apology to the MV. It seems that I >have been a littel too harsh on their faction for the actions of >a few clans. Didn't Hal Mayne kind of gloat over the fact that they attacked Fanglan? Wasn't it in the Midgard Report? Geez, for a guy who offered me money (covertly, of course) to attack the MV your very friendly with them now..... 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