The Midgard Digest V1 #10 From: kerry@io.com (Kerry Harrison) Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 00:00:00 +0000 The Midgard Digest Tuesday, 27 February 1996 Volume 01 : Number 010 Welcome to the Midgard Digest, the place to discuss all the myriad aspects of life in the World of Midgard with its other denizens. In this issue: + Re: MID: Destruction + RE: MID: Merk Verk + Re: MID: Road Destruction + MID: Response to Ring II + MID: City Burning + MID: Road Destruction + [Fwd: Re: MID: City Burning] + MID: Archives + Re: MID: Archives + MID: Fanglan See the end of the digest for information on subscribing to the midgard-list or midgard-digest mailing lists. For additional information on Midgard, check out the Official Midgard Home Page at http://www.comland.com/~pbm/midgard/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jay Seymour <jay.seymour@wichita.brite.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 13:47:00 -0600 Subject: Re: MID: Destruction I agree that the roads should be able to be destroyed. I think it's a good idea. The man cycle values you proposed seem to be reasonable. Leave it to a Barbarian to think of destroying a road! : ^ ) J ---------- From: Mike_Williams To: midgard-list Cc: Mike_Williams Subject: Re: MID: Destruction Date: Tuesday, February 27, 1996 11:53AM Well, to date I know of no one who has actually destroyed a road sector, so I'm not sure what the reporting rule is. Logically, of course, umpire-controlled travelers would report the road's destruction to affected cities within a cycle or two. Also, logically, player clans moving through the road sector would receive a report on the road being "rubbled," and the clan should be charged movement points based not on road movement rates but based on what terrain the road passes through. Obviously, destroying a road that passed through a mountain sector would cause a lot of problems to unsuspecting clans traveling through--they'd have to pay mountain movement point rates to get through the sector, plus they wouldn't technically be "on the road again" until they passed through the _next_ road sector (moving from a sector without a road into a sector with a road doesn't mean you get the road's movement benefits...) What we all really need to concentrate on now is: 1) Do you think road destruction (and city destruction, too) should be allowed in the rules? 2) If so, how many mancycles do you think it should take to destroy/rubble a road? Should the terrain the road is built on affect the number of mancycles needed to destroy/rubble the road? 3) Can you think of a better way of handling this? My opinion is to charge from 10% to 30% of the mancycles it took to build an object in order for it to be destroyed. What do you guys think? mike P.S.: Keep in mind that destroying heliograph stations is already allowed in the rules; there's even an order that you can issue to your clan to rebuild a destroyed heliograph station... ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: MID: Destruction Author: J1WESCHAN@aol.com at INTERNET Date: 2/26/96 6:28 PM Destruction of a road segment would be reported to the linked cities within normal travel turns by ordinary travelers. Such information would include, possibly, who and how many. John Chan ------------------------------ From: Jay Seymour <jay.seymour@wichita.brite.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 14:50:00 -0600 Subject: RE: MID: Merk Verk Well, the Imperials stated that if existing holdings were tampered with, then one would incur the wrath of the Imperials. I would think that not letting anyone build a legate in a Ring city, would not tamper with existing Imperial holdings and therefore the Imperials would not respond with force. That is, if they abide by their own decrees, which remains to be seen. (Another thing I would like to note, there has been many mentions of the game not being the 20th century, and that killing captured soldiers, ect. was a common practice in the middle ages. So was burning towns. Not that that was the MV intention, nor does it make it right, but it WAS common practice) Lance Major Wallenstein MerkVerk ---------- From: Shiva Wilde To: midlist Subject: MID: Merk Verk Date: Tuesday, February 27, 1996 1:26PM Greetings Lords, I knew that when I sent my last message that I would anger some people. I donot regret what I have said, and still stand with it. I wish to remind people that I am to standing up for the MV. As I stated I support the Boda. I only issued apologizes to the faction, NOT to the clans that commented the crimes in the city of Fangland. Thoes clans I still wish to be punnished. I have the word of Hal Mayne that this will happen. And I WILL check to make sure that this happens. I think that the Imperials are trying to take control of Midgard by saying that they are the only faction that can protect the citizens of Midgard. As a major faction of the TRUE Midgardians I oppose this. It is true that the OOH did support the Imperials in the past, but at that time the Imperials were not on a course of world conquest, with midgard as its starting point. I do wish that the Imperials would tell us the truth in this matter, and not try to stabb us in the back. I to would like better relations with most factions. the Barbarians, at least, lets you know that they will attack you to gain some goods and pleasure. Then they leave, and we will rebuild. This is both bad and good for Midgard. What this does is to allow US to protect US from them. Should we fail, some of our cities will have to be rebuilt, and some of our citizens will die. So it is up to US to protect our selves. I DO NOT condone the attacke?s nor do I support them, BUT they do help us to learn how to protect oue selves. Which is what we need to do. With the Imperials, they tell you that they want to rebuild ties with us, but then they tell me that if we continue to support the MV, they will target our cities for attack. EVEN if we do not provoke them?!!???!!???! If a faction wishes to support another faction during times like this, should the Imperials take that as an act of war????? The Imperials do not stand for the people of Midgard, They stand for the IMPERIALS. They have even stated that fact. They clam to be benifactors of Midgard, but then they also clam to be invaders and conquerore. Lord Gov. please tell us which you are!!!!! It seems that the Imperials nad the Barbarians are the factions that wish the support of the rest of the Midgard factions. I do support the Barbarians view on how the Imperials looked at the murders of our soliders in Finland. I wish that the Imperials would let us know what they are going to do. Are they going to attack my cities if I stand up for the Treaty of Frostmarch, and the Boda? Will they attack the Ring when we retake Finmart? Will they attack you if you do not bow down to them? I will not allow any further building of Imperial factional buildings to be built in ANY Ring city untill this is cleared up. How about you? Again, I know that the responce from the Imps will be harsh. BUT I do not respond to threats from ANY faction. And the Imperials have threatend the Ring by telling us that should we stand with the MV, which I think I might now do, they will target our cities. To all the other faction, Are you also going to bow to the Imperials when they threaten you?? I WIIL NOT!! >From the quill of Shiva Wilde Patriarch Ring Religion of clan Order of the Hand --- Forwarded Message --- Date: 27-Feb-96 10:07 CST From: INTERNET:DShir13@aol.com Subj: Merk Verk Sender: dshir13@aol.com Received: from emout10.mail.aol.com (emout10.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.25]) by arl-img-3.compuserve.com (8.6.10/5.950515) id KAA29805; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 10:32:07 -0500 From: <DShir13@aol.com> Received: by emout10.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA28407; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 10:32:26 -0500 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 10:32:26 -0500 Message-ID: <960227103223_432767003@emout10.mail.aol.com> To: 103302.3555@compuserve.com, Schrader@vaxd.sxu.edu Subject: Merk Verk Kurt, Daimon Yar may be a hot head but I'm not. I would like to discuss a few things with you about the situation with the Merk Verk. I would like to say if your position to stand with the Merk Verk has anything to do with us supporting the B+F I would like to stat this. The Imperials are truly neutral with all factions in Midgard until we are provoked, we do not do the provoking. The only exception is with the Barbarians, in which the are free game. I do not like the fact that we are fighting the MV becuse it is taking away our attention away from the Barbarians. This is why the Toad keeps trying to put a wedge between us and the rest of Midgard. If we are fighting everyone else then they can do what they wish. Do you think, if we are wiped out they will leave the rest of MIdgard alone then? Of course not! I agree that our response is harsh, but I would also point out that our course of action is not set in stone. Yet the Merk Verk have refused all atempts to resolve this in a diplomatic fashion. We must respond in a Harsh manner, this has been accomplished by our decree, we hae let everyone in Midgard know we will respond to even the tinniest tampering of Imperial property. There are a couple of points that I feel must happen 1) The MV clan incharge must be put to trial, if indeed he is found notguilty, then the Imperials will send out an official appology. If fkound guilty they must pay the an oppropriate fine. The Imperials don't even request that we do the trial. But they are charged on the fact, that the fire they started destroied, among others, an Imperial Legate and thousands of civillians. You may have heard the MV defense that the Serks allowed the fire burn without trying to stop it. This is false, I have read the report and even asked Zan about the possiblities that the Serks could have stopped the fires. They could not have. This is a fact, don't take my word ask Zan. The Imperials do understand your feelings about you Troops being butchured after surrendering, we would feel the same also. But this is not the 20th century and that sort of thing happened in Ancient and Medivial times. When we were preparring to fight the Boda we expected that they would kill any of our captured troops. And the Boda are by no means, more ruthless than the B+F. Furthermore until civillians of Midgard are harmed by these actions then we can not get involved. Unlike the rest of the factions the majority of our regiments are proprety of the #0 and can be recalled to the homeland if we do not abid by his rules. So if we did take action against the B+F we would be in violation of our rules, and the treaty of Frostmarch. I'm sorry you view this as being inconsitant but I hope it clears things up. We have worked on better relations with the Ring I hate to see it trown away on one hastely though out decree. Personally I have no love for the B+F, My cousin was MV for a very long time, and would gladly take action upon them. Do not allow the MV spindoctoring and the Barbarian atacks on our honor cloud your vision. Reconsider your position before it becomes too late. If this esculates and you continue to openly back the Merk Verk the Imperials can not help but consider your Cities as targets. Since you have nothing to gain by backing either of us in this it makes no sense for you or any other faction to back the MV or us in this. If we really wanted to start a War with the MV we would have used the Losteen episode to do it. As for you backing the Boda, that is what has been done in the past, and is your Buisness. David (not this not in character, Daimon is a warrior not a diplamat) Distribution: To: [103302,3555] INTERNET:SCHRADER@VAXD.SXU.EDU ------------------------------ From: Mike_Williams@pc.radian.com Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 17:33:53 CDT Subject: Re: MID: Road Destruction Now we're getting somewhere! <g> You made some very good points. My personal opinion is that it should take 10% (give or take, depending on circumstances and/or special actions) of the mancycles to destroy something as it took to build it. If you also wanted to recover the materials used in the object's construction (only from about 20% to 50% of the total amount of construction materials should be recoverable, of course), then I'd say a good percentage (of the construction mancycles) would fall in the 30% to 50% range. Destroyed roads that had some of their materials recovered should have the same graphic icon as would a road that was simply destroyed. Let's not give Zan and Alan too many headaches! It would cost the same amount to repair a road that had its materials take away after the destruction as it would to repair a road that didn't have its materials taken away. Again, this would lessen everyone's recordkeeping headaches. Zan's probably lurking about here somewhere listening to what everyone thinks. I'm sure we'll hear something from him in the future. My main goal here is to see what everyone's opinion is, let Zan know what the list members are thinking, and then see if we can get a "destruction" rule implemented. mike P.S.: Thanks for letting everyone know your ideas! ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: MID: Road Destruction Author: jmorris@ccm.livestock.org.nz at INTERNET Date: 2/28/96 8:01 AM Mike, I have no objections to a ROAD Destruction order. I do think that gathering materials should take more than 30% of the cost to build the road. 50% seems better to me. Would a destroyed road and a destroyed road with materials taken require two different icons and two different costs to repair? Or would it be better to have a destroyed road icon for the destroyed road and a repair cost and no road icon for the destroyed road with materials taken and that would cost the same as a new construction? What does Zan think about this? Jerre ------------------------------ From: SCHRADER@vaxd.sxu.edu Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 17:54:29 -0600 (CST) Subject: MID: Response to Ring II Hail and Well Met! While the Imperials dislike the Ring's present course of actions, they are free to state their opinions (as are all, Davide Skolem). The Imperials are not declaring war on the Ring or any such action as they have done nothing but voice their views, however inconsistent they may be. As long as the Ring do not attack the Imperials and/or damage Legates/property and do not interfere with our endeavors against the MV, Bucs, and Barbs, we will not get involved with the Ring. Even your succession of building Imperial Legates is your own choice and are free to pursue much to the detriment of your cities. We are not violating the treaty of Frostmarch as the MV, Bucs, and Barbarians are not included in the 3 families or 3 religions that signed it. But if you raise arms against even in defense of the MV then YOU have carried the war to yourselves. This is not a threat it is Imperial policy. Lastly, on this conquering of Midgard and being invaders and trying to take over the world that is constantly brought up, I ask this what faction is actively trying to SHRINK THEIR influence, power, and cities in the game? Wake up! Everyone is trying to expand their sphere of influence so casting stones at the Imperials does little to cast us in a bad light. Their are two major differences though that separate the Imperials from everyone else in this regard. First, because we are considered non-Midgardians by the other factions,we are perceived as outsiders and hence, "the bad guys". Call us what you will but the other factions covet things just as much as we or more in some cases. Second, we attempt to expand our sphere of influence through Imperial policy which is by nature (at least under my administration) peaceful. Prior to the Fanglan incident, I personally had acquired 8 cities for the Imperials through trades, swaps, and purchases. Not one of these involved a threat or combat. So why would I expend all the manpower, time, and energy to go after 3 MV cities(which I have already provided a loophole for letting them KEEP the cities) when I have diplomatically been so successful? The answer is because we wish to maintain law and order and protect the common good. We will punish the MV for their actions so as to prevent others from engaging in these activities in the future. Once the MV situation is dealt with the Field Armies will happily go back to bashing Barbarians, Pirates, and Bandits and I will once again employ diplomatic tactics for acquiring cities. Now you can yell and scream that we won't do this. I say this, wait and see. You will learn that the Imperials honor their word under my admin. If we do not then you are free to act however you see fit. You can ask Hal Mayne, Barca, Arlap of Dion, Shiva Wilde, Von Ehrlich's to name a few if we kept our end of the bargain when we purchased, traded, or swapped cities. I would expect them to at least come forward that on these matters the Imperials have been honorable. So as you impugn the Imperials good name, I ask on what do you base your claims. Everything that has been done so far is as the Imperials claimed it would be!!! Lord Palan Tark ------------------------------ From: SCHRADER@vaxd.sxu.edu Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 18:14:19 -0600 (CST) Subject: MID: City Burning To Lance Major Wallenstein, <<You are quite right in indicating that burning towns and cities did occur in the Midgardian time frame as was the slaughter of civilians and soldiers alike. This is not contested. However, there were groups who opposed these tactics and would not condone them even in those days. The Imperials are one such group. What your statement fails to indicate, however, is that the MV are supposed to be protectorates of the common man too. Thus, while we would expect city burning from Barbarians, Bandits, Buccaneers, etc., the MV's goals run counter to the slaughter of civilians and indiscriminate burning. Most attacking armies of old were interested in "capturing" the city not obliterating it from the face of the earth (with rare exceptions noted). Also, you will note that we are not taking action against the Ring for the cessation of Legate building. Its there loss and we are acting within our stated policies, once again honoring our statements. You also note that we are not making/taking any counteractions such as closing Ring temples. We even invited the Ring to come build a Ring cathedral in an Imperial city shortly before their treachery. All the Imperials have done in regard to the Ring is point out the flaws in their views of the situation and warned them to stay clear of any Imperial military operations. Please NOTE that it is the Ring that are taking the first real action by stopping Legate production. >> Scribe Titus Locrus ------------------------------ From: SCHRADER@vaxd.sxu.edu Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 18:20:18 -0600 (CST) Subject: MID: Road Destruction I also support the Road Destruction venture (though the Gift and Imperials won't be happy about their hard work being trashed... oh, well). It is certainly consistent with Barbarian philosophy. I would agree with an earlier point Mike asked about in that destruction mancycles should take into account the terrain the road is built on. Destroying a mountain road partially carved out of stone would be a strenous venture compared to trashing one in heavy plains. I also agree with Jerre that a higher amount of mancycles is needed than originally stated. We are talking about a 30 mile stretch (if memory serves me correct on the distance of a square in rulebook). Brian ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 20:14:57 -0600 Subject: [Fwd: Re: MID: City Burning] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------1654DBC4F9E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [message sent to wrong address] - --------------1654DBC4F9E Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by deliverator.io.com (8.7.2/8.7.2) with SMTP id SAA02337 for <kerry@mailhub.io.com>; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 18:58:00 -0600 (CST) Received: from regulus.lifesci.ucla.edu (regulus.lifesci.ucla.edu [164.67.7.17]) by lists.io.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA28963 for <owner-midgard-list@lists.io.com>; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 18:55:16 -0600 Received: by regulus.lifesci.ucla.edu (Sendmail 5.67b/1.00-lifesci) id AA05571; Tue, 27 Feb 1996 16:58:32 -0800 Received: from smtpgate.lifesci.ucla.edu(128.97.8.227) by regulus.lifesci.ucla.edu via smap (V1.3) id sma005566; Tue Feb 27 16:58:03 1996 Received: by smtpgate.lifesci.ucla.edu with Microsoft Mail id <3133A784@smtpgate.lifesci.ucla.edu>; Tue, 27 Feb 96 16:53:24 PST X-UIDL: 825472141.056 From: "Petonak, Paul M'bio" <paulp@microbio.LIFESCI.UCLA.EDU> To: owner-midgard-list <owner-midgard-list@lists.io.com> Subject: RE: MID: City Burning Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 16:51:00 PST Message-Id: <3133A784@smtpgate.lifesci.ucla.edu> Encoding: 26 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Content-Type: text Content-Length: 975 X-Mozilla-Status: 0011 > What your statement fails to indicate, however, >is that the MV are supposed to be protectorates of the common man too. Thus, >while we would expect city burning from Barbarians, Bandits, Buccaneers, etc., >the MV's goals run counter to the slaughter of civilians and indiscriminate >burning. Most attacking armies of old were interested in "capturing" the city >not obliterating it from the face of the earth (with rare exceptions noted) As a newly formed Merchant clan operating in Midgard I am rather appalled at the idea of the MV burning a city or city fields. The MV claim themselves so noble a faction. How are we independent players to trust any faction when the faction that most assertively and publicly promotes it's morals and it's protective attitude of the Midgardian populace so blantantly goes against it's own creed? Despite being a clan only newly organized on Midgard we feel that the MV need to fully explain their actions here. Augerveige - --------------1654DBC4F9E-- ------------------------------ From: "Petonak, Paul M'bio" <paulp@microbio.LIFESCI.UCLA.EDU> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 96 18:26:00 PST Subject: MID: Archives Hi, 1) Does this mailer archive the traffic/messages that head through it? 2) If so, how can you go about requesting it from MAJORDOMO@io.com ? PJP ------------------------------ From: Kerry Harrison <kerry@io.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 21:04:33 -0600 Subject: Re: MID: Archives Petonak, Paul M'bio wrote: > 1) Does this mailer archive the traffic/messages that head through it? Archives of the mailing list are keep as digests and are available under "The Midgard FTP Archives" section on the top page on the Midgard website (http://www.comland.com/~pbm/midgard) or from the Midgard ftpsite (ftp://ftp.comland.com/pub/pbm/midgard). ------------------------------------------------------------ * Kerry Harrison | kerry@io.com | http://www.io.com/~kerry * ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: Arlap@aol.com Date: Tue, 27 Feb 1996 23:14:37 -0500 Subject: MID: Fanglan To all concerned parties, here in are the words of Arlap of Dion, leader of the Riders of the Dale and Strategos First Class of the Boda Family as transcribed by Brandy Casleander at the end of Cycle 25. I've been listening to all of this talk about what the Merk Verk did and didn't do and I went over the battle report and you guys are missing the point. The Merc Verk did three things wrong at Fanglan, they had bad aim, they had bad leaders, and they hit the wrong target. The Merc Verk leaders made they're toops fight with both hands behind their backs by limiting the regimental commanders and they hit factional offices. The first was bad for the troops and the second, well, if I had a choice of burning down enemies or running away, war is war and a burnt enemy is as good as a stabbed one. Will the Imperials next forbid fire in our hearths do we do not burn our fingers? The worst thing the Merc Verk did was release the Blood and Fire to ravage the continent once again. For this they are to be condemed and anything else resembles the remains on the road after a Boda army passes. The Ring didn't do this, they had repudiated the Merk Verk contract before Poins and this was public knowledge, if anyone bothered to look. The Blood and Fire's attack on Ring cities in A-1 was for thier own ends and a real warrior does not hide behind legal fiction. Many remenber that one of the prime goals of the Blood and Fire is to eradicate the other religious orders and taking Ring cities is counted as a great feat by the Prophet. Don't mince words, if you are following your god, do it openly. As to the Imperials claims, fools may beleive them, but only fools would be deceived. If you look at recent claims of the Imperials, they claim to have a great store of information but they claim ignorance that Halvex Port and Dubar were Ring cities. First, I personally sent a map to the former Imperial senior of the region and they were Ring cities then. Second, another map of the Region was sent by a Getham clan to the current Imperial Senior and they were Ring cities. Third, the cousin of Lord Palan Tark was in the region for some time and they were Ring cities. Fourth, a CVR was sent of Dubar showing it to be Ring the cycle before the attack and of Halvex Port the cycle after the attack. And finally, a report was given to the Imperial Senior from the traitor former Roder senior, Von Ehrlich's, a report given to him with the promise from him that it would not be further distributed, that quite clearly showed both cities to be Ring. Now I may have a rural background, but even I can tell an out and out lie when I hear it. As to the denial that the Imperials and Blood and Fire are working together, Lord Tark, there are few if any that believe that. Otherwise you would return any former Ring cities to the Ring and seek a refund from the Blood and Fire, the true enemies of Law on Midgard. I am suprised the Imperor has not intervened and directed you to destroy the Blood and Fire for their activities, some of wich were only a few short years before and now have started again. I am also shocked at the ROder for maintaining Imperial ties given the obvious and to the Gift for tolerating those ties. Does this mena the Gift approve of this relationship? In a recent communication, the Imperials said they couldn't stop the slaughter of citizens in Finmart as that would be against the Treaty of Frostmarch. Wrong. The Blood and Fire were not signatories. The Imperials are reluctant to strike their lap dog. By their actions are they know, and the recent actions of the Imperials are closer to Robber Barons than Champions of the weak and oppressed. I am supprised that they haven't started to sacrifice their prisoners yet, like their allies do. Oh, but to do that they would have to actual take prisoners. The Barbarians show more civility and much more honesty than the Imperials in their communications. Now, I talked to Hal Mayne and we settled our differences like civilized men in a civilized fashion, not like squabbling, spoiled brats. The Imperials demand three cities knowing that the Merc Verk could never agree to this. Not for the Blood and Fire or the Serkeanar, the party injured, but for themselves. A great joke, but a poor lie. Just say the truth, that the Imperials desire to kick the Merc Verk when they are down and are willing to not utterly distroy the faction for the sum of three cities and other good and valuable considerations. Unfortunately, the Merc Verk never signed the Treaty of Frostmarch and have not responded to the Imperials with a counter declaration of War or the three Families and three Religions could take united action. Instead we can only wait and see what happens. To sum up: 1. The Imperial Decree is a false front for Imperial Expansion 2. The Imperials and the Blood and Fire are working together. 3. The Imperial Gonvernor will lie if it suits him. 4. The Blood and Fire will lie if it suits them. 5. Be sure that if you give out confidential information, you understate the defenses of your cities so that if it is passed on, your enemies will be misinformed. 6. War is not a business for the weak. If the thought of killing sickens you, join the Gift. They are constructive. Thank you for listening to my opinion, Arlap of Dion. CC: Caesar Sirius Morgan Table of Supreme Inquisitors Pandre Melkor Varion Grand Master of the SOA ------------------------------ End of The Midgard Digest V1 #10 ******************************** To subscribe to The Midgard Digest, send the command: subscribe midgard-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@io.com" To unsubscribe from The Midgard Digest send the command: unsubscribe midgard-digest in the body of a message to "majordomo@io.com" If you want to subscribe something other than the account the mail is coming from, such as a local redistribution list, then append that address to the "subscribe" command; for example, to subscribe "local-midgard-list": subscribe midgard-digest local-mid-list@your.domain.net A non-digest (direct mail) version of this list is also available; to subscribe to that instead, replace all instances of "midgard-digest" in the commands above with "midgard-list". Up