AG Digest #13

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Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 00:00:00 +0000

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Thursday, 22 August 1996      Volume 01 :
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From: dsaville@idir.net (David Saville)
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 1996 23:24:41 -0500
Subject: Re: GUILD-L "Mike Lee ruins Minotaurs."

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>arduous climb up to the heights of mediocrity. I've pretty much given up on
>having dex and cunning, so if "speed kills"... I'm dead. Why gut head butt?

The phrase speed kills can be likened to the ancient phrase:

May you live in interesting times.

Speed Kills (the combat magic) can mean two things.

1)  You're so fast you just plain overwhelm your opponent and win

2)  You're opponent weathers your storm and slaps you around just as
soon as
    you start to run out of gas (eh Vanya :)  )

Dave

PS  Stamina is Key!

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From: cfs@bea.com (Chris Settipani)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 96 08:10
Subject: Re: GUILD-L "Mike Lee ruins Minotaurs."

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Youse is starting to sound more like one of them whining pansy elves
(which strangely youse thinks is better off) than a true mino.
Minotaurs
are easily the most powerful, and best looking, race in the Adventurers'
Guild.

The Minotaur Bracer is a help, but get over to Antar, visit the Mushroom
Circle, and get youseself a minotaur pendant.  That also lowers the cost
for dex and cun.  Be sure youse has saved up a lot of EPs, and slam
those
stats until the pendant disappears.

As for head butt, when Luca hits, Luca hurts people, and dazes them.
Unfortunately, Luca is only level 4 and Luca don't hit too often.  Gotta
work on that.  Push is also a good skill, but Luca ain't got it yets.

Speed works great for us minos.  With our low stamina cost, we can
offset
the energy drain.  Too bad it is so damn expensive, and there are no
free
gains.  Try combining it with initiative for those times that youse gets
nauseated  That stamina also gonna help youse absorb damage (and fight
nauseau) , and Luca has heard that minotaurs tend to gain more damage
points on average than the other races.  Remember:  "Speed kills
[others]
and stamina is key"

So quit youse's sulking, whining and hiding, and stand tall and proud as
a
member of the classiest race around.

Don Luca Brasi
        Godfather of Barstow
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>From MAIL@ih {Mchael@aol.com}, on 8/20/96 9:28 PM:

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In a message dated 96-08-20 00:19:44 EDT, you write:

<< >Subject:  "Mike Lee ruins Minotaurs."
 >
 >According to the latest Paper Mayhem, in an AG article by "Gordon
Blair",
 >the Head Butt skill was emasculated after Golden was beating by a
 >minotaur using the skill.  According to the author, Mike called Hugh
 >complaining, "Head Butt is TOO powerrrrful!"  Hugh's purported
response
 >was, "Okay, I'll make Head Butt worthless at short range and screw
 >every minotaur in the game, so Golden doesn't get beat again." >>

Well, I haven't got the latest Paper Mayhem from my subscription yet,
but
is
it correct? My first (of two) characters is a minotaur, and it's been an
arduous climb up to the heights of mediocrity. I've pretty much given up
on
having dex and cunning, so if "speed kills"... I'm dead. Why gut head
butt?
Minotaurs literally have NOTHING else. Being rather strong for my PL,
I've
found Push a MUCH more effective short range weapon than Head Butt...
but
of
course, Push isn't a racial skill, is it? As for the "benefits" of the
Minotaur Bracer, I don't think cost to raise of 4-8-3-6 really puts a
minotaur in the league of a human.goblin.elf, or dwarf. Give us a break
with
the head butt... we're so weak as it is, and I really want to stick out
the
Minotaur curse. OK, I'm through venting... I'll slip back under that
rock
minotaurs go to after receiving thier turn reports... any comments?

Michael
 (Rathison)
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From: Ruark RC Cleary <"CLEARY_R"@ngw.dep.state.fl.us>
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 10:01:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: GUILD-L Re: Minotaur Mayhem

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Date:  08/21/1996  10:07 am  (Wednesday)
From:  Ruark RC Cleary
To:  DEP-TLH.VAXGATE("EPIC66:PMDF:teleport.com:/ASC:guild-l")
Subject:  Re: Minotaur Mayhem

>>From owner-guild-l 08/20/96 09:58pm >>>
>>On a serious(?) note, what did everyone think of "Mr. Blair's" article?
>>>Can someone please post a copy of the article for those of us who
>>>did not attend Gen Con.  Thanks  David Ondzes  dao@mypc.mv.com

Does Paper Mayhem have email or a website listing?  You might get the
editor (David Webber) to send it, if they do.  If anyone else is
thinking of
doing it, remember that the article carries a copyright and you need the
permission of the publisher to reprint it.  Better yet, why not just
subscribe?  It's worth the price.  [I'll take that free issue now, thank
you].

AelwonF, the Genuine Article

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From: cfs@bea.com (Chris Settipani)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 96 14:27
Subject: re: GUILD-L Re: Minotaur Mayhem

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Another idea is for the author to post it (you're out here on the list,
are you not, Mr. Blair).
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>From MAIL@ih (Ruark RC Cleary) {"CLEARY_R"@ngw.dep.state.fl.us}, on
8/21/96 10:01 AM:

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Date:  08/21/1996  10:07 am  (Wednesday)
From:  Ruark RC Cleary
To:  DEP-TLH.VAXGATE("EPIC66:PMDF:teleport.com:/ASC:guild-l")
Subject:  Re: Minotaur Mayhem

Does Paper Mayhem have email or a website listing?  You might get the
editor (David Webber) to send it, if they do.  If anyone else is
thinking
of
doing it, remember that the article carries a copyright and you need the
permission of the publisher to reprint it.  Better yet, why not just
subscribe?  It's worth the price.  [I'll take that free issue now, thank
you].

AelwonF, the Genuine Article

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From: Ruark RC Cleary <"CLEARY_R"@ngw.dep.state.fl.us>
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 16:30:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: GUILD-L Re: test -Reply -Rebuttal

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Date:  08/21/1996  04:35 pm  (Wednesday)
From:  Ruark RC Cleary
To:  DEP-TLH.VAXGATE("EPIC66:PMDF:teleport.com:/ASC:guild-l")
Subject:  Re: test -Reply -Rebuttal

>>From owner-guild-l 08/19/96 [<oops.  used `Reply' button>]
>>Luca was gonna reply, but then Luca decides better
So what's this?

>>If Luca didn't know better
Luca don't.

>>Luca woulda guessed Tilex made that useless comment
Shows how much sense Luca got.

And speakin of Spam, friends, don't try this at home:

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- -AelwonF   "It's Spam.  No fakin'."

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From: cfs@bea.com (Chris Settipani)
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 96 17:30
Subject: GUILD-L Rebuttal's rebuttal

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Don't thinks Luca ain't catchin' all this, youse pointy-eared freak.
Luca
can only hopes Luca gets to kick youse's pansy ass in the tournament.
When Luca gets thru with youse, youse is gonna be listed on the contents
of the next can of spam.

LB
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From: Ruark RC Cleary <"CLEARY_R"@ngw.dep.state.fl.us>
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 16:21:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: GUILD-L Re: Minotaur Mootiny

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Date:  08/21/1996  04:25 pm  (Wednesday)
From:  Ruark RC Cleary
To:  DEP-TLH.VAXGATE("EPIC66:PMDF:teleport.com:/ASC:guild-l")
Subject:  Re: Minotaur Mootiny

>>From owner-guild-l 08/20/96 12:19am >>
>>I believe it was Mike Quigley who was objecting to minos head butt
>>weakened?

O. J. Kunzite?  That was a looong time ago.  Probably before "Gordon
Blair" was born.  Nope, I think the Gord was pointing the blame
elsewhere.  I'd have to read the article again to be sure.  Or, we could
just ask Hugh...

Hey Hugh!  Who convinced you to emasculate Minotaurs, so that they
were all reduced to Luca's level?  Who, huh?  Who??  Whugh?  Whoo?
........Anyone seen Hugh?    .......Oh well, it was worth a try.

Okay then, call Aden Marne and ask him to ask the Quigster about it.

>>I ran a mino for over two years.. boy did they suck

They don't, now?

>>Sure! 5 minute phone call to Hugh and Blast will be doubled in damage!
>>Did you want anything else changed? :)

Thanks!!   No, that's all..  well, except for adding in the Elven
Pendant.
Still waiting for that.

- -AelwonF, Reactivator of Inactive Lists

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From: Alrek@aol.com
Date: Wed, 21 Aug 1996 21:30:00 -0400
Subject: Re: GUILD-L Re: Minotaur Mootiny

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Speaking of Minotaurs,

I am Kroll
Son of Krell

Slayer of Johan Redbeard

And I am NOT Mike Quigley!

I AM Andy Zambrzycki
(No one runs a mino better than me...ain't that right Mike?)
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From: Mike Lee <mlee@discover-net.net>
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 03:56:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: GUILD-L Proof that Mike Lee did not ruin Minotaurs

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mchael@aol.com wrote:
>Well, I haven't got the latest Paper Mayhem from my subscription yet, but is
>it correct? My first (of two) characters is a minotaur, and it's been an
>arduous climb up to the heights of mediocrity. I've pretty much given up on
>having dex and cunning, so if "speed kills"... I'm dead. Why gut head butt?
>Minotaurs literally have NOTHING else. Being rather strong for my PL, I've
>found Push a MUCH more effective short range weapon than Head Butt... but of
>course, Push isn't a racial skill, is it? As for the "benefits" of the
>Minotaur Bracer, I don't think cost to raise of 4-8-3-6 really puts a
>minotaur in the league of a human.goblin.elf, or dwarf. Give us a break with
>the head butt... we're so weak as it is, and I really want to stick out the
>Minotaur curse. OK, I'm through venting... I'll slip back under that rock
>minotaurs go to after receiving thier turn reports... any comments?
>
>   Michael
> (Rathison)

I'll post Hugh's exact words later (don't have the AOL chat log file
with
me), but Fenrir and I asked him on head butt last night.  He said that
for
minos Head Butt range was increased up and down in height and that
damage
was increased through great helms since last year.  Please keep in mind
that
skills do much more at higher levels (level 7+ IMO) and no character has
really ever had a level 13+ head butt to see what would happen. :)

Also brought up by Hugh last night was training Magic Resistance up for
Dwarves.  Personally I think it would be good for Dwarves only, if it
had a
KP cost of at least 50 KP per level, and the major drawback would be
magic
cast by the character would decrease a certain amount per Magic
Resistance
level (in addition to helpful (cure party) and harmful (opponent's
blast)
magic cast at that character).  One shouldn't be both magic resistant
and
able to cast magic was the main argument on our side.  Any thoughts on
this
as Hugh would say? :)

Mike

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From: Mike Lee <mlee@discover-net.net>
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 04:02:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: GUILD-L Re: Minotaur Mootiny

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Andy wrote:
>Speaking of Minotaurs,
>
>I am Kroll
>Son of Krell
>
>Slayer of Johan Redbeard
>
>And I am NOT Mike Quigley!
>
>I AM Andy Zambrzycki
>(No one runs a mino better than me...ain't that right Mike?)

I won't argue as 'best AG mino player' really isn't much of an honor.
:')

I'm sure Luca will challenge you, though. ;P

Mike

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From: David Johnson <drj1@freenet.tlh.fl.us>
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 07:29:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: GUILD-L Re: Minotaur Mootiny

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Actually - I would have to say Mino's, if you include Luca have
a
really bad rap.  They need our help.  Please donate to Fineous and save
the endangered Moo.

And Luca - next time - if I ever deign to stoop so low as to
fight you - I will not hold back out of pity.  I will bring something a
little more interesting than a level 2 buckler.  Although you got to
admit - I gave you a shot by using the warhammer and slugging it out
with
you.  It is just too bad - that one hit - by you was not enough - but
you
know that - don't you?  Till we meet again - Limpy.

Beware my secret weapon.

Mieu - Moo - Mu

- Silatef Emmef
                        (Most High Priestess of Fineous)

Luck to you all!   (except Luca)

Moo.

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                                     "Hawkwind"

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From: cfs@bea.com (Chris Settipani)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 96 08:12
Subject: Re: GUILD-L Re: Minotaur Mootiny

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Luca got several of youse losers to reply to.  Starting with the first
idiots comments and going forward:

Aelwon:  Posting from Antar ain't gonna save youse's sorry self.  Luca
know a good hitman in Antar gonna take youse down.  Kinda makes those
Rat
Tunnels doubly dangerous, knows what Luca means!?!

Kroll:  While youse may be a real good mino -- certainly better than
that
whiner Rathison, youse ain't at Luca's level.  Don't be upset, no one is
that good.  But it gives youse something to shoots for.

Goldilocks:  Being the best mino player is more than an honor.  Anyone
can
plays some weak, airheaded frail better off in the kitchen than in the
guild.  Minos need character, skill, cunning and wisdom.  All traits
that
Goldilocks lack.

Lastly and leastly, Silatef:  Yeah, Luca only hit youse's rotund little
frame one time.  Youse bounces too high while running from Luca.
However,
youse tagged Luca 14 times, and youse did about the same damage Luca did
to youse in one shot.  We needs to talk to Roland about a fight to the
end, no stopping it because Luca got problems hitting youse and youse
got
problems actually hurting Luca.  It ain't over, beachball.

Now if any of youse got any more of youse's stupid comments, just be
prepared to back them up on the guild floor on 150.  Luca is an equal
opportunity asskicker, and all of youse are in dire need of a good one.

Don Luca Brasi,
Godfather of Barstow
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>From MAIL@ih (David Johnson) {drj1@freenet.tlh.fl.us}, on 8/22/96 7:29 AM:

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Actually - I would have to say Mino's, if you include Luca have
a
really bad rap.  They need our help.  Please donate to Fineous and save
the endangered Moo.

Beware my secret weapon.

Mieu - Moo - Mu

- Silatef Emmef
                        (Most High Priestess of Fineous)

Luck to you all!   (except Luca)

Moo.

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                                     "Hawkwind"

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From: Mike Lee <mlee@discover-net.net>
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 1996 05:37:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: GUILD-L Re:  Mike Lee Ruins Minotaurs

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Chris Settipani wrote:
>I doubt Hugh would make a change like that without more consideration or
>input, despite Mike's seniority (and the money he has spent and continues
>to spend).  The accusation sounds more like the rumour mill exagerating a
>story.  Anyone care to confirm or deny my suppositions?

I agree that Hugh takes the majority's input unless it's a program bug.

>Lastly, regarding Golden being beaten by a minotaur:  Maybe that is why
>she is now afraid to face Luca Brasi  ;P

As my old buddy Lobo would say, "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!" :) The only
minotaur
that comes close to Golden is a Lanky Herdling.

I should clear something up on Gord's article.  The Jethro berserker
thing
was when Jethro was on OUR side on adventures.  Basically, the bug was
that
Jethro had unlimited action points until he was taken out or when all
the
monsters he faced were taken out.  Everyone stood around for 3 pages of
results doing nothing until one of the above happened.  And we're
talking
about characters like Golden, Vanya, and Coeus who have some of the
highest
action points in the game.  Hugh turned the action points down a bit on
berserkers after reviewing it.  My guess is that Jethro's berserk level
passed the ungodly skill stage and Hugh never had anyone up at such a
high
level berserk to know what would happen. :)

Mike

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From: cfs@bea.com (Chris Settipani)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 96 08:50
Subject: Re: GUILD-L Re:  Mike Lee Ruins Minotaurs

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Luca never did think much of them Lanky Herdlings.  Thanks for confirmin
Luca's suspicions.  They ain't nothing special; just another frail in
Luca's way.  A lot like Goldilocks.

P.S.
Who was complaining this board wasn't active enuf?
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Chris Settipani wrote:
>I doubt Hugh would make a change like that without more consideration or
>input, despite Mike's seniority (and the money he has spent and continues

>to spend).  The accusation sounds more like the rumour mill exagerating a

>story.  Anyone care to confirm or deny my suppositions?

I agree that Hugh takes the majority's input unless it's a program bug.

>Lastly, regarding Golden being beaten by a minotaur:  Maybe that is why
>she is now afraid to face Luca Brasi  ;P

As my old buddy Lobo would say, "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!!!!" :) The only
minotaur
that comes close to Golden is a Lanky Herdling.

Mike

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