asdf From: lindahl@pbm.com (Greg Lindahl) Date: Mon, 06 Oct 1997 00:00:00 +0000 Newsgroups: rec.games.pbm,rec.answers,news.answers Subject: rec.games.pbm Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) Followup-To: rec.games.pbm Organization: A guest, not representative, of pbm.com Summary: information about various play-by-mail (snail & email) games Approved: news-answers-request@MIT.Edu Archive-name: games/play-by-mail Last-modified: 1997/09/08 Play by Mail Games Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) Welcome to rec.games.pbm! This is a newsgroup for discussing play by mail games, both ordinary mail and electronic mail, and both wargames and non-wargames. There is a PBM WWW homepage at: http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/pbm.html 1) What is Play By Mail? 2) What games get talked about here? 3) What other games are there? 4) Are there any FTP sites for PBM games? 5) Are there any mailing lists for PBM games? 6) Are there any free e-magazines for PBM games? 7) What if I can't FTP? 8) I'm a student and lose email access over the summer. Help! 9) I read German. Do I win a prize? 10) Is commercial advertising allowed here? 11) How do I ftp that list of all PBM games? Be precise. 12) How can I generate trustable dice rolls? 13) How do I find oponents for board games? 14) Why do so few postings in this group identify what game they're for? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 1) What is play by mail? PBM stands for "play by mail". Since this IS the Internet, we use it to mean both ordinary postal mail and electronic mail. Games like Diplomacy have been played via postal mail since the 1960's, starting with John Boardman's 'zine. The US commercial PBM market was started by Rick Loomis of Flying Buffalo in the early 1970's. Now there are commercial PBM companies all over the world. In addition, there is some activity in role-playing games via mail. Why play PBM games? Well, even though the commercial games are expensive, they offer some things that some people have a hard time finding face to face -- good opponents, convenient playing times, and games with lots of hidden information. Non-commercial games can offer the same benefit, as long as the people running it are dedicated. How do PBM games work? Generally you mail in orders to a moderator, human or computer, once a week, and they mail the results back to you. A PBM game can be as simple as a human running an ordinary Dungeons & Dragons game, or a 45,000 line program moderating a fantasy strategic/role-playing game with 50 pages of rules. PBEM games -- those conducted via email -- are generally played by mailing human-readable files back and forth. A few games require special software on your home computer; if so, it will be mentioned in the game desription, if there is one. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 2) What games get talked about here? Many postings on this group will have a game name mentioned in the subject line. If you post, please mention the game in the subject so that others who are interested in the same game will actually read your postings. Some frequently mentioned games are: Adventurer's Guild (AG): a commercial fantasy arena combat game. It has its own FAQ posting. Arena: a commercial PBeM written by Scott Turner; fantasy arena combat. Atlantis: a free or commercial strategic fantasy PBeM. Duelmasters (DM): a commercial fantasy arena combat game. Galaxy: a free PBeM written by Russell Wallace, with a space setting. Legends: a commercial D&D-type simulation in which 200 players wander around a large map trying to become more powerful. Middle Earth (ME-PBM): a commercial strategic simulation of J. R. R. Tolkien's fantasy universe. Olympia: an open-ended commercial fantasy PBEM game. Quest: an open-ended commercial fantasy PBM game. Detailed information about all these games is in the PBM List, which is discussed in question (3). In addition, other PBM games are discussed in separate newsgroups: Core Wars: a game of battling programs. An email server is available C++ Robots: for an ongoing tournament. Discussion about Core Wars generally takes place in rec.games.corewar. Diplomacy: a boardgame often played by email. Discussion for this game generally takes place in the group rec.games.diplomacy. Board games: games such as Empires in Arms, Third Reich, and Axis and Allies are discussed on rec.games.board, and are sometimes played by mail. Chess: discussed in rec.games.chess.play-by-mail Fantasy Baseball and Football: discussed in rec.games.sport.baseball.fantasy and rec.games.sport.football.fantasy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 3) What other games are there? The PBM List is a list of all PBM Games on the planet, pretty much. It has details about all the free games that I know of, plus a paragraph each on a bunch of commercial games, plus a list of all PBM Games on the planet courtesy of Flagship Magazine. In addition to being on the web in searchable for, the PBM List is available for anonymous ftp on ftp.pbm.com:/pub/pbm/PBM.list.gz. If you need detailed instructions on ftp, see question (11). The PBM List is also posted to rec.games.pbm once a month. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 4) Are there any FTP sites for PBM games? Two ftp sites are available with identical PBM information: ftp.pbm.com:/pub/pbm ftp.funet.fi:/pub/doc/games/play-by-mail The files on these sites are compressed using the "gzip" compression program. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 5) Are there any mailing lists for pbm games? There are several: Adventurer's Guild -- write majordomo@teleport.com saying `subscribe guild-l' in the body of your letter. BSE (Beyond the Stellar Empire, RTG version) -- write majordomo@pbm.com saying `subscribe bse-list' in the body of your letter. BSE (Beyond the Stellar Empire, KJC version) -- write majordomo@pvv.ntnu.no saying `subscribe uk-bse' in the body of your letter. DM (Duelmasters) -- write listserv@ambience.com.au saying `help' EiA (Empires in Arms) -- write majordomo@indiana.edu saying `help' Legends -- write legends-request@fdemocracy.org saying `subscribe Legends' in the body of your message LOTE (Lords of the Earth) -- write majordomo@io.com saying 'subscribe lote-l' in the body of your message. ME-PBM (Middle Earth) -- (actually a newsletter) -- write kazandar@ix.netcom.com or mason@chara.gsu.edu MI (Monster Island) -- (another newsletter) write abb21@dial.pipex.com Quest -- write Joshua_Gallagher@scada.ccmail.compuserve.com Third Reich -- write goldfarb@texas.net (Chris Goldfarb), he has a list of people interested in PBM play. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 6) Are there any free e-magazines for PBM games? Yes, the PBEM Fanzine is available by email or other means, and has articles about all sorts of free PBEM games. If you only have email you can subscribe to a mailing list which distributes this fanzine by writing majordomo@pbm.com saying "subscribe pbem-fanzine". There has been at least one false start on an e-magazine covering all sorts of PBM games. The biggest problem is probably a dearth of articles. I certainly can never get enough for the PBEM Fanzine! There is a newsletter focusing on human-moderated role-playing PBeM games. Back issues are at the ftp sites. Email riba@magic.mb.ca with the subject "I subscribe" to receive new issues. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 7) What if I can't FTP? FTP is an acronym for "file transfer protocol", and it is only directly available to the privileged few who are directly hooked to the Internet using heavy-duty hardware. There is a way to use ftp via email, and if you can get email to me, I will send you a document explaining how to use it, or you can get this information by yourself by sending email to any of the following addresses with the word "help" in the body of the message, and they'll send back instructions: bitftp@pucc.princeton.edu (USA/New Jersey) ftpmail@sunsite.unc.edu (USA/North Carolina) ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com (USA/West Coast) bitftp@vm.gmd.de (Europe/Germany) ftpmail@cs.uow.edu.au (Pacific Rim/Australia) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 8) I'm a student and lose email access over the summer. Help! If you live in the USA, you can sign up with any one of a large number of nationwide commercial services that provide excellent Internet email connectivity. In particular, Compuserve, America Online, netcom, IDT, etc all provide email to the Internet with no per-message charge. In addition to these, there are a lot of smaller, sometimes local, services that provide Internet email. You can get a list of these services via ftp from VFL.Paramax.COM:/pub/pubnet/nixpub.long or via email by sending email to mail-server@bts.com with the body of the message containing: get PUB nixpub.long The nixpub list contains 125 sites in the USA and 14 outside the USA. In addition, there is a separate list of services which are directly connected to the Internet, so they will have faster email links and also might provide ftp and other services. You can get a list of these services via ftp from VFL.Paramax.COM:/pub/pubnet/pdial or via email by sending email to info-deli-server@netcom.com with the body of the message containing: send PDIAL ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 9) I read German. Do I win a prize? Yes! There is a newsgroup de.alt.games.pbem with some interesting things going on, but it's all in German. Some German-language games are included in the PBM List mentioned in section (3) above. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 10) Is commercial advertising allowed here? Usenet is traditionally a non-commercial place, because many people who read the Net are actually paying to receive articles. Posting an advertisement is somewhat like sending them junk fax. However, there are three exceptions to this rule: A) There is an entire hierarchy of commercial groups, called "biz.*". These groups allow advertising. But this group isn't in that hierarchy, and biz.* isn't well propagated because no one wants it. B) Traditionally, a single, short, tasteful, fact-filled (not hype-filled) advertisement for a product will be favorably received. C) Most groups, like this one, have some informational postings which will list, in one place and in a consistent format, commercial information. In this case, the list is the "PBM List", mentioned in section 4 above, which is posted twice a month and is available via WWW and ftp. So if you are a commercial company and wish to make information about your game available on Usenet, (C) is your best bet. Send email to lindahl@pbm.com and I'll tell you what information I need to put you on the list. [ For more information about this Usenet tradition, please see http://www.danger.com/advo.html. ] Other than posting basic information about your game, supporting your game on the group is encouraged -- if folks have questions, post and answer them. It's only repetitive hype-filled postings, or perhaps repetitive answers of the same question, that will tick off Usenetters. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 11) How do I ftp that list of all PBM games? Be precise. % ftp ftp.pbm.com Connected to ftp.pbm.com. 220 ftp.pbm.com FTP server (Version 6.16 Thu Nov 5 10:24:57 PST 1992) ready. Name (ftp.pbm.com:lindahl): anonymous 331 Guest login ok, send e-mail address as password. Password: (here I typed "guest") 230-Welcome, archive user! [...] 230 Guest login ok, access restrictions apply. ftp> cd pub/pbm 250 CWD command successful. ftp> ls 200 PORT command successful. 150 Opening ASCII mode data connection for file list. PBM.list.gz .. 226 Transfer complete. 91 bytes received in 0.0098 seconds (9 Kbytes/s) ftp> binary 200 Type set to I. ftp> get PBM.list.gz 200 PORT command successful. 150 Opening BINARY mode data connection for PBM.list.gz (14925 bytes). 226 Transfer complete. local: PBM.list.gz remote: PBM.list.gz 14925 bytes received in 2.6 seconds (5.6 Kbytes/s) ftp> quit 221 Goodbye. hydra ~ % gzcat PBM.list.gz | more Note that the file PBM.list.gz is in compressed format. If you don't know how to read that format, just get PBM.list instead, and the ftp server will uncompress the file for you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 12) How can I generate trustable dice rolls? Many boardgames and other self-moderated PBEM games need lots of dice rolled. One good way to do this is to use an email server: you tell it the address of your opponent, and it rolls dice and sends a mail message to both of you. This way, both sides can trust the answer. One such email server is: dice@pbm.com Send mail with "help" in the body of the message, and it will send instructions. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 13) How do I find oponents for board games? Eric Pass maintains a directory of gamers who want to play various board games by mail. You can contact him at epass@nyx.net or you can check out his WWW pages at: http://www.nyx.net/~epass/pbemlist.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------- 14) Why do so few postings in this group identify what game they're for? They actually do label their topics -- but your newsreader may be the guilty party. You see, several frequent postings on this newsgroup are digests of mailing lists, and some newsreaders split digests into individual messages, many of which won't have the appropriate words in the subject line. If your newsreader is "nn", you can tell it to stop doing this by editing your ~/.nn/init file and adding the line "set split off". If you DO want a digest split, you can split it by typing "G" when you're looking at it. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- If you think of other useful topics for this FAQ, please send me mail at lindahl@pbm.com. If you're tired of seeing this posting, add the subject line to your kill file. Greg Lindahl (lindahl@pbm.com) Up