Re: Create Army=5000gold

From: shivan1dgn@aol.com (Shivan1dgn)

Date: Wed, 28 Jan 1998 00:00:00 +0000

Normally I do not repsond to these type of posts but when I see someone not
respecting one of the few "grade A" SNA's, I just had to say something.

<< Why on earth would anyone DO this?
Split army doesn't cost you anything
I have a commander in my capitol with 100 troops.
Next turn I'm going to want to make a new commander so this turn my current
recruits 500 HI; next turn he gives those HI to the new commander. Name new
comes bfore split army so he could do it(I finally recieved the rules).5000
gold saved.
Sure this trick only works in pop centers where you allready have an existing
commander; but since you only create Cs in your capitol thats the most likely
place to create a new army anyway.>>

With respect to Hire Free in 1650, I say ask a WK player that ran up against a
competent Cardolan player that landed an effective 4700 HI on him  turn 3 what
he thinks of Hire Free. I'd venture it would not be pleasent. With regard to
your above statments you will more than likely run into a game where you PC's
are spread out . In this instance hire free works great. You seem to be under
the assumption that you only run one army from you capital. You can do that but
you are likely to end up with one army, a capital and little else.  Hire Free
also affords to the luxury of putting food in the army at the time of hire
otherwise you use another order 340 TrPo2Ar which is necessary but a wasted
order. If you ever plan on playing a miltary nation in the frontline then Hire
Free is great. It is also good for a kingdom in FA especially if you NatTran
stores like food to you recruitment centers.  My SK game I took Hire Free, +20
market, double scout.
 Market bouns works better when it matters. As a compentent kingdom you do not
need the economic advantage of +20 market.  Also this does NOT allow you to
sell more than the max it just uses less stores. If you BID you do not get the
bonus but I have digressed. You can wreak economic devastation on someone by
emmying away a village in the midst of his lightly defended economic base. Hire
200HI-- Icon appears -- enemy sees icon starts to react you -- recuit 200HI and
move out to trash a few undfended camps and villages. There are lots of uses
for the Hire Free SNA but you will find out in due time:)

<<By that logic the "No hire cost" SNA in ME1000 is not even worth 4k, let
alone 7k, and would severly curtail the worth of it in 1650 & 2950. >>

It worth 7k easily for a milatry nation. As for 1650 see WK above and you do
not have a choice anyway :)

<<BTW, My ME1000 would be>
market at =/-20%   7k
Ems at 40          6k
Scout@ x2 7k OR Scout@+20 & Conjure Mounts 7k total.
With town money going to extra camps for the market ability.>>

Take all the emmys you need at game start while you are busy naming 40E you
will lose 2 PC per emmy named. My fist FA game I started with 2 40E luckily I
ran into some good allies and we accquired some territory. PC limit will hit
turn 5-6
 Name anything 40 but agents is a waste and I would only takeName 40A in a FA
grudge game. Agents tend to die more than other characters.
 You will only name 13 charcters plus replacemnts for ones that die so take
something like the double scout (you become buddies with an assassin nation
right away) or the market bonus as you suggested
I took +20 scout once (never again) it falls woefully short compared to double
scout, which in my humble opinon, is the BEST SNA in FA.

<< Or the Elven approach>
Can learn Teleport 6k
Mages at 40        4k>
Stealth bonus*     7k
Scout@+20 OR Cs@40 3k
With at least one mage with the three artifact spells and teleport.(& the
victory condition 10 more artifacts than you started with)<BR>
*If playing on a team I might change that to "market@+/-20%" if everyone else
was using it too... Corner the market every turn!>>

My non grudge game elven agent/mage would be:
Teleport
Double Scout
Stealth (just for kicks)

FP Elven
60M RA- LAT
60M  RA-LAT
50E
40E
40E
40E or 40M
40A
40C

Name C/A's
My slteath data shows C/A's more likey to receive stealth bonus but according
to GSI's explanation it probably does not matter, assuming you believe them ;)
Take VC #6 so you get one artifact number for free. I have had Helm of Shadow
and Ring of Binding as VC's not bad. In FA all 213 artifacts need to be
researched (RA'ed)

As a side not to Patrick: I disagree with you and Mark both, (previous post)
60A/30st will be 61-90 point effective agent. A random bonus for steath is
applied each time an offensive agent action is issued. 1/2 stealth rank for
ScoChar and GrdLoc and GrdChar

Ji should have died, assassinating with a 40+A is asking for trouble.
Not to mention that Minas Tirth's loyaty has high loyalty, and the tagret was
an army commnader that had more natural ranks than Ji.
I wish someone would serve up Ji like that in one of my games :)
I would recommend 50+net agent rank before even attempting it with +20 kill.

All the above ramblings are my opinions only. I may even respond to
contidictory opinions ;)

Steve

References

Create Army=5000gold
"Stanley, the Daredevil Crow!" <samcraig@io.com>
Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:00:00 +0000

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Create Army=5000gold
"Stanley, the Daredevil Crow!" <samcraig@io.com>
Tue, 27 Jan 1998 00:00:00 +0000